Suns Fight Their Way to a Win in San Antonio

by Dan on May 14, 2007 11:09 PM MDT in Suns News Comment 51 comments

Holy cow. What a game! First things first. The Suns are going to be on pins and needles until the league comes down with suspensions. Amare Stoudemire could be considered "off the bench" even though he was running to get back into the game after a stoppage in the action. Boris Diaw, on the other hand, doesn't have that excuse.

The good thing is that neither went onto the court because the action was on the sideline. And just in case you didn't watch the game and don't know what I'm talking about, I'll back up a bit.

The Suns were down 10 for most of the fourth quarter. Then the Spurs decided to take the Suns for granted, the Suns started playing much better defense and the next thing the Spurs knew, the Suns were up by 1. The Spurs came down with about 20 seconds left and no timeouts. They missed the shot, the Suns got the rebound and Steve Nash was taking the ball up the court. At about halfcourt, Robert Horry decided he wanted to play football instead of basketball and blocked Steve right into the scorer's table. Raja Bell immediately went after Horry and got a technical foul. But Horry was ejected with a Flagrant 2, Steve Nash made the free throws he needed to make and the Suns went on to tie the series at 2 games a piece.

I think the Suns finally realized what they needed to do to beat the Spurs. They need intensity. They need good man-to-man defense. They need in-your-face defense. And they need to attack the basket. When they do that, Tim Duncan gets frustrated and gets in foul trouble, the rest of the Spurs start pressing and the Suns actually have a chance.

The Suns played horribly for about 3 quarters. The first 6 minutes of the first quarter and the last 6 minutes of the fourth quarter were played pretty well.

The Suns players played fairly well (except for Leandro Barbosa). They only shot 48% for the game and shot 79% off the free throw line. The Spurs actually had more assists than the Suns.

I really think the Suns stole this game from the Spurs tonight. With the way they played for 36 of the 48 minutes tonight, they had no right to win the game. HOWEVER, this shows us how much better of a team the Suns are when they play their game.

As I said, the worry I will have now until they announce anything is that Amare and Boris will be suspended for the next game. The Spurs can do without Robert Horry. The Suns cannot do without Amare Stoudemire. My hope is that the NBA will be more lenient with this because they didn't really go on the court and everyone was already standing up. Amare had an excuse to be going towards the action because he wanted to get into the game.

What are your thoughts on the game? What did the Suns do well that caused them to win this game? Was it a matter of the Suns stealing the game? Did the Spurs just choke? Will this be a harbinger of things to come in the next game? Do you think Amare and Boris will be suspended? Do you think Horry will be suspended? Should any of them be?

I think this could be the turning point of the series if Amare doesn't get suspended. It will be very interesting to see what happens over the next few games. But, if anything, the Suns have tied the series and are now in a good position to win 2 of the next three games. GO SUNS!!!

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Wooo hooo!!!

Phew, that was a nail biter! I managed to avoid the score and picked up the game about 2 hours after tip off.

I had my obit all written in my head - Sun's lacked experience and poise and basically dirked it w/ missed FT's and open 3's.

But, well you all know what happened at the end!!!

Great win. Edge of the bed yelling and waking the baby win!!! Go Suns!

And congrats to Dan btw for a great coherent post at this late hour.

by Phoenix Stan on May 14, 2007 11:24 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

suspension

Well, the suns and amare are really pushing the "He was just going to check in" story. It sure doesn't look like that with a coach holding you back, I hope
it holds. My guess, and this is the thing no ones talking about yet. I think horry did this on purpose , in front of the suns bench, just to try and make this happen. Bowen and Ginobili do their things, and this was horry's task. Take Amare out, it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

If we could prove such a thing, Horry would be kicked out of the league, and if the spurs could be proven as knowing, obviously a lot of bad for them also. I honestly think this is the case. Just look at what they've been doing. The Spurs are smart, they know they're in Amare's head a little, and they think they can take advantage of his emotions..... my guess... amare will be suspended.
Should he be, no, it happened in front of the suns
bench, if it had happened by the spurs bench, you would've seen the spurs jump up also.

The nba (Stu Jackson and Stern) aren't very bright... let's face it, these idiots tried to change the nba official basketball to a piece of shit, then tried to sell the new official basketball for 2-3 times what a normal ball costs in stores. With this in mind, I have very little doubt they'll make the predicted decision and suspend Diaw, and it's totally a judgement call on whether they choose to believe amare's story about coming back in. Even if it's true, the amare story, which I believe is true, he was coming back in, but he should've been by the checkin table, I don't think they'll buy it.

The Spurs coach has a rare chance to be classy, if Amare is suspended, he could sit out Duncan in response to Horry's bullshit, it'll never happen. But, I honestly believe there are people out there classy enough to do this. Steve Nash is one of those classy type of people. But, then again, I think the spurs coach was possibly knowledgeable about horrys purpose or intentions

by jasonsuns1 on May 14, 2007 11:38 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Here's my thing...

Robert Horry caused the whole thing with a really dirty play. If Amare does get suspended, does it seem right that Horry and Amare would get suspended for the same amount of time?

I guess we're just jumping the gun. Who knows what will happen at this point?

by Dan on May 14, 2007 11:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rules

The problem is there is a rule that players that leave the bench (and enter the court?) are suspended, regardless of the situation. No matter how stupid and unfair it may seem, it is the rule. It's like in a court of law the jury and the judge must abide by the law. Had this been 'just' a flagrant foul, there would have been room for subjectivity. Bowen got away with knee to the groin for this reason, and Horry may also get away with just the ejection.

The rule may have to be followed for the integrity of the league. Barkley said it's a stupid rule. I say it is still a rule and the Suns are out of luck. Why can't we have at least some luck? We have things go wrong even when the Suns win.

I don't believe that Horry did all these calculations to foul Nash in a certain way, which would bring Amare off the bench, causing a suspension. I think he did it in the heat of the moment- "out of frustration" in Nash's words. Horry deserved to be ejected. I hope he will be suspended too if Amare and Boris are from game 5. However, Horry is just a 3-point specialist coming off the bench. Amare is indispensable to the Suns. If Boris also gets ejected, the Suns are in serious trouble. If Amare alone is ejected, it will be like the 2006 team, and I hope they will show the same kind of resiliency. If Boris is ejected, that too is a loss but not as much as losing Amare.

We will just have to wait and see. Right now it's not looking good for the Suns in game 5.

If they lose game 5, once again they will be put in a situation where they must beat SA in SA in game 6, which will be the elimination game.

This is such a tough break for the Suns!

by Vash01 on May 15, 2007 1:20 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Chuckster

It was good to see the Chuckster stand up for the Suns for once and say it wouldn't be fair for Amare and Diaw to get suspended while the Spurs only lose Horry.

I am hoping that the league can see it in themselves to show some restraint. Not counting on that though. I would not be surprised if they suspend Horry for multiple games for the hit on Nash and then the elbow to Bell. They could then in their minds justify suspending Amare and Diaw for one game. I hope not but that's my bet right now at 11pm.

Again though, Amare didn't play poised and smart at all tonight. Sure, Horry flopped in the 2nd qtr but Amare's really got to get smarter. I really think the pressure is getting to him. Maybe its too much to ask of a guy that young to play as smart as a TD? I don't know.

I do think that the Suns, at home, can win w/o Amare but w/o Amare and Diaw? That would be tough.

How about that D in the final few minutes though! Locked 'em down! Great time to double Duncan. That's exactly how I wanted them to play that :)

by Phoenix Stan on May 14, 2007 11:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

response

I don't think it's the pressure getting to amare, I just don't think he's smart enough yet, to get the game and how to play it. 2 interesting facts.

Stoudemire played just 49 seconds in the second quarter when he picked up his second foul with 11:11 to play.
Amare had more fouls called on him this year than any other nba player except 1. This says a lot.

by jasonsuns1 on May 14, 2007 11:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dirty Horry

I was also thinking it might have been done intentionally to incite the Suns players on the bench. I wouldn't put it past the Spurs.

by TwinnerA on May 14, 2007 11:50 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I don't think so

I think he was just frustrated and did a stupid thing. I don't think he's smart enough in the few seconds to plan a hard hit on Nash and hope that Amare would come off the bench. If you watch him after the hit, he wasn't looking for somebody to come at him. He really looks like he knew right away that he did something stupid.

This kind of stuff is bad but not dirty. Its like the Bell reaction close line on Kobe. What Bowen does w/ his feet is dirty b/c he does it intentionally, all the time and in way that really can get guys hurt.

by Phoenix Stan on May 14, 2007 11:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

sorry...

but I feel what horry did was dirty. Yes, the intent probably wasn't what Bowen's intent was, but when you body check a much smaller player into an object, you should be suspended for the season. The nba is a joke at handling this.

by jasonsuns1 on May 14, 2007 11:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Intent

I think in general the Spurs intent may be to injure a key Suns players, especially Nash. Bowen did the groin attack in game 3. The league let it slide and this was the result of that. The Spurs seem to think that they can get away with anything by calling it playoff basketball. Unless the league toughens up, this is going to be a league of thugs and boxers. There is no need for this.

Barklay's analogy was right on. He said that if you just kill somebody, that is murder. However, if someone trespasses into your house (I am paraphrasing) and you shoot him in self defense, that is not murder even though that too is killing. Shaq laughed so much, and he was not letting CB finish. I thought Shaq was out of line.

by Vash01 on May 15, 2007 1:25 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think Shaq is a moron...

by Phoenix Stan on May 15, 2007 8:09 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

spurs style

I think the spurs are very cunning, but very poor in character. I think they're playing what I call, the little brother big brother game that I've seen. Which simply goes like this,

My big brother hits me in the arm, I complain and try and hit him back. My parents only see the response and the little brother is the one getting punished and getting hit. It's a simple idea, and one the spurs are using against us. They know they can do some really bad stuff to us, and the suns will be punished for reacting. It's understandable with brothers, but we have cameras and people seeing what's happening. This should make us smart enough to not punish the little brother (suns). Sadly, I don't think the nba is smart enough

Stupid parents
(wait I'm a parent, forget that :-) )

by jasonsuns1 on May 15, 2007 12:06 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

GREAT analogy

That's an awesome analogy there, Jason.

by TexSUN on May 15, 2007 12:10 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

thanks

and I do have 2 older brothers. But luckily for me, after a certain age, they matured into fantastic people.

On Amare, I'm curious if he knew about the rule. And if he or another Suns has been suspended because of that rule recently, like in the last 1-2 yrs. If not, then I lay partial responsibility on the coaches (Suns) for not being more on top of this. Everyone knew this series was escalating. But if this has happened recently (2 yrs), then I lay much more of the responsibility on amare. Either way, I personally woud feel good if I was Nash and you have players like Raja and Amare who have your back. Personally, I think the rule isn't well thought out, like most things with variances. I don't want to bore us with variances, but on this one, the variance I'd apply would be something like this: Even if amare went out of the bench area, he didn't say anything to the other players on the court, and he didn't touch anyone of them! Yes, amare should be punished, maybe a flagrant foul penalty, but to suspend hi for this, when bowen doesn't get suspended, that's clearly wrong, well, at least in our eyes. In the nba, until we get an intelligent person(s) in there, we'll have to suffer along.

by jasonsuns1 on May 15, 2007 12:31 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Suspensions

From looking at the replay, there's no way Amare can argue he was just trying to check into the game. I'm in the middle of writing a diary on the subject, but in short, I think there's 0% chance Amare doesn't get suspended, and that stinks to high heaven. It basically means the NBA is going to give the series to the team whose player made the dirty play and started it all to begin with. But those are the rules, and I seriously doubt an exception will be made no matter how unfair it is under the circumstances.

by TexSUN on May 15, 2007 12:09 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

your right..

I also think the chances are close to zero he won't get suspended. I'm anxious to read your diary. If we are lucky enough to get Diaw in the next game, I think we can still win. Remember Nash can score 50 if he's forced to, and barbosa has been off, he'd need to be on. But it's doable. After coming back with defense in this game, it's doable. The thing about amare, he is like their duncan, offensively, he's unstoppable by the spurs. They don't have the guy, Detroit might in an experienced Weber.

by jasonsuns1 on May 15, 2007 12:35 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

The diary is out there now.

This has been a draining evening. Like everything else with the Suns, nothing is ever easy. They get a HUGE win, maybe their biggest in the entire Nash era. But there's a good chance it's not going to matter because of a thug play, and a couple of young players' inappropriate reactions to it. Amare knows the rules, and he broke them. Same for Diaw. If they get suspended, that's just part of the game, I suppose. It stinks, but those are the rules. So instead of being happy about the game, I'm just really frustrated, and angry. Seems like there's something like this every single year. Freak injuries, refs and league office letting things get out of control until somebody boils over, etc. If it weren't for guys like Nash, I'd probably stop watching the NBA altogether again just to preserve my own sanity. Arrrgghh!

by TexSUN on May 15, 2007 12:43 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

i agree

Nash is my biggest reason I watch also, plus I really like this group of players, barbosa, bell, and marion in particular. Hey, let's realize this isn't game 7, it's game 5, and this game was awesome, imagine how you'd feel seeing them win w/o amare. It'd be even greater! Hold out hope. We must believe Nash and the others have the will.

by jasonsuns1 on May 15, 2007 12:46 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Heat of the moment

Right now, I'm a little like D'Antoni was after Game 3--"out of my mind" a bit I think. Just infuriated that the Suns had such an amazing win marred by yet another thug play by the Spurs. I've always thought of the Spurs as a pretty classy organization overall, despite Bowen who I tabbed as "dirty" long before Amare ever said anything. This series is starting to make me wonder if this is something that extends beyond one guy recklessly disregarding other players' safety. I've definitely lost a lot of respect for them, that's for sure.

As for the prognosis, we'll see. That game in Dallas on March 14 was the kind of awesome miracle win that makes you realize anything can and does happen. Tonight's game was very similar, right up until that stupid play by Horry. At the very least, if there's anything to the whole karma theory, the Spurs have accumulated enough bad karma to last a lifetime!

by TexSUN on May 15, 2007 1:11 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Spurs

I used to like the Spurs, but after this series I am going to root against them, every time they play. This is not basketball and they should be ashamed of themselves.

by Vash01 on May 15, 2007 1:28 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Spurs players

I heard on TV that there is an in-house camera for game film for the teams to examine post game and that there should be footage to see if any Spurs came "off the bench". It doesn't look like any made their way over to the fray, but they may have stepped over the sideline onto the court. Fair is fair. There better be footage shown publicly of the Spurs bench for all to see after they have shown the footage ad nauseum of the Suns' bench.

by TwinnerA on May 15, 2007 12:29 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Manu

On the tape I saw a Spurs assistant coach grabbing Manu and pulling him away. Why did the Suns assistants not do that? May be everything happened very fast?

This stupid rule needs to be changed. A suspension just for leaving the bench, and not even a flagrant foul call on some of the rough plays on the court? At times it looks like a player is trying to injure his opponent. That does not always get a suspension.

It is too late for this season though.

I hope these suspensions make the Suns even more determined to win game 5. Who can replace Amare and Diaw though? Pat Burke? The Suns had a rotation of 8 and now they will be down to 6, with Kurt as the only center/forward. I think they will have to depend on Maion a lot, and may even use Marcus Banks in the lineup (obviously not as a replacement for STAT or 3D) but just to have enough bodies on the court. I hope Jalen Rose gets the opportunity and kills the Spurs with his 3 point shooting. With Amare and Boris out, the Suns will have to depend on their perimeter shooting.

by Vash01 on May 15, 2007 1:32 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why Amare won't be suspended

I'm on board with Dan: "My hope is that the NBA will be more lenient with this because they didn't really go on the court and everyone was already standing up".

The INTENT behind the rule being applied (regarding going bench players on court) is to stop the escalation of violence. In the case of both Boris and Amare, though they may have stepped onto the court, NEITHER of them precipitated any action that would further incite violence.

Now, there's two schools of thought on this:

1) "The Rules are Rules and the Rules must always apply EQUALLY": and if it's action that's in the course of the game, I agree, with regard to treatment of both teams and individual players: every foul is always a judgment call, and as long as the judging criteria is consistent, let it fly.

1a) this should apply to all NBA rules, meaning

1b) If a whistle is blown and your two-time MVP has been smashed into the press desk by the newly nicknamed Cheap Shot Bob, it should be a judgment call whether or not the players vacating your bench are actually trying to fight, check into the game, or have a genuine concern for a beloved teammate.

2) The Rules are Rules and are ABSOLUTE: meaning nothing is open to interpretation. In that case, I want Whory suspended for 5 games for throwing a punch at Raja, and Duncan suspended a game punching somebody in the back to get into the "scrum".

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But, the reality is this:

Remember, the NBA is about money...and this series is generating hella amounts of revenue. Whory will have to be suspended for being such a prick, but the Boris and Amare situation, being more nebulous, will come down to this:

The Suns are still competitive without Boris. They are much less so without Amare.

The Suns came up with an "excuse" for Amare but none for Boris.

The NBA knows all hell will break loose if Amare (nationally known player, All-Star) can't play....ratings will tank, sales will go to shit, conspiracy theories will fly, more bad press for Stern and Jackson...etc etc

So, Boris will be suspended one game, and Amare will get a pass.

flim springfield

by DrStrom on May 15, 2007 1:18 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

nice analysis

I hope your right.

by jasonsuns1 on May 15, 2007 1:21 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'll be spinning the prair wheel

I'll be praying to all things holy that Amare will play on Wed. In part cause i'll be there (YIPEEEE!!!!) but especially because we'll need him in a huge huge huge way in Game 5. We have a golden opportunity to take control of this series on Wednesday, and all of Arizona and any NBa fan woud be very very bitter if Amare was suspened for simply walking a couple steps from the bench.

Lets all pray that the League does the right thing.

"Ultimate excellence lies not in winning every battle, but in defeating your enemy without ever fighting." Sun Tzu

by Turambar on May 15, 2007 1:34 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

good article.. maybe a little more

Link to article

by jasonsuns1 on May 15, 2007 1:30 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Nash comment

"At what point is enough enough, and at what point are you supposed to take offense?" Nash said. "The league has made it very difficult to stand up for yourself: it's their job. But at the same time their opinion doesn't always coincide with yours. It's difficult and I don't always know the answer to that."

I like the way he puts it. He is criticizing the league and yet he comes across and composed and professional. I wish Amare could be like that, but he has a different personality, and he did have a tough childhood.

Thanks to the referee Steve Javie who grabbed Nash from behind and kept him from attacking Horry (a natural reaction to what Horry did).

It is amusing that after all the tough talk, the Spurs could not handle the defeat like sportsmen. They had to resort to cheap shots and violence.

by Vash01 on May 15, 2007 1:44 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

spurs

it's their true colors

by jasonsuns1 on May 15, 2007 2:23 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm actually surprised Javie did that

As a ref, he's usually suspect.

Nonetheless, I find it damn cool....even somebody who I consider to be a bad ref did (in what could be considered a moment of crisis) the exact right thing at the exact right time.

I'm gonna give him a mitzvah for this one :)

flim springfield

by DrStrom on May 15, 2007 2:28 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

very interesting comment on az republic

found this on azrepublic, normally i skip most comments from readers there, but this one was excellent.

"There is a huge difference between a hard foul (to make a point to the opposition - ala Raja) and trying to break someone's bones/balls (ala bowen) or, lashing out, in childish frustration (or perhaps the urging of your boss) like horry.

The Celtics once sent in scrub Don Chaney (who became an NBA coach) to take out the hot suns guard Rickey Sobers in the 1976 playoffs. Sobers fought back and was not suspended.

The league should apply discretion, and punish the petulant (or perhaps organizationally encouraged) behavior or horry.

I have viewed the video and amare was clearly rushing to check on nash.(diddy7432, May 14, 2007 10:35PM)"

I like this reader's comment, notice I didn't say guy miss TexSun :-)

night

by jasonsuns1 on May 15, 2007 1:37 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Teammate

Isn't it a natural reaction to rush to a teammate who may be hurt- regardless of the reason? Why can't Amare and Boris get the benefit of doubt in this case? Nash looked clearly mauled by Horry. This has been a horrible series for the MVP. Game 1: 6 stitches on the nose, Game 3: Groin attack, Game 4: Slammed/body checked into the scorers table.

Did he actually escape game 2 without a Spurs attack? He was still recovering from that nose job though. :) What a warrior this guy is! He is one of the smaller players in the league but he is one of the toughest.

by Vash01 on May 15, 2007 1:48 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Yep!

It's why Mavericks fans everywhere should insist that Mark Cuban be drawn and quartered for running Nash out of town on the theory that he was "too delicate" and was about to break down.

Insomnia strikes again....

by TexSUN on May 15, 2007 1:54 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

post-game adrenalin

drink a beer. It'll take the edge off it.

flim springfield

by DrStrom on May 15, 2007 2:29 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Beer?

It may be beer time for you; for us it's early morning or middle of the night, LOL. Time to go to bed (and get up in 2 hours).

by Vash01 on May 15, 2007 2:46 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Actually, a small amount of alcohol helps

...it acts as a depressant.

And I'm in California, where apparently we don't acknowledge your standard passage of time ;)

flim springfield

by DrStrom on May 15, 2007 2:55 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

thought this was cool

Nice to see something outside of the game once in a while. Ok, maybe the entire spurs team isn't evil.

Link to video of parker and diaw talking about 7/7/7 wedding of parker and eva

plays 10 secs after add

by jasonsuns1 on May 15, 2007 2:57 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

from san antonio online newspaper

sure like what I've read so far of this

Link to s.a. article, a must read

by jasonsuns1 on May 15, 2007 2:59 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Good article

Very nice peak into the past that I was unaware of (Soft Spurs?)

by Vash01 on May 15, 2007 3:04 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

video of amare and diaw

One thing is clear on the video, amare was trying to get a better look at Nash, not looking at charging into a fight or saying anything to any player on the court. This mitigating factor has the best chance for helping the no suspension for amare case. Much better than the "he was checking in" story. The thing that makes me think the spurs (unsure of how deep this runs, we'll probably never know) are dirty, some of them at least. Is Cheap Shot Bob came into this last few minutes of the game with only 32 seconds left. He hadn't been in the game for the last few minutes to get mad at anything. It's obviously another targeted assassination attempt by the spurs dirty gang. Who now have another member. I count the gang at 3, Ginobili, Bowen, and Cheap Shot Bob, will there be any others joining the gang?

Duncan is a stud, but if we use desperation defense, we can be effective. It takes incredible hustle, similar to what we saw G.S. show during a lot of the Mavs series. The suns played with hands like G.S. at points, Amare I think made a few great steals. The thing I like about G.S. is they play with that type of energy for much of the game, where we saved it until desperation. Granted there's only so much energy to spend. I was 100% sure K.Thomas was the way to go, but running 2 defenders at Duncan at the end really worked, but we were in light speed mode.

by jasonsuns1 on May 15, 2007 3:18 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

nash cool article on espn

This is a quote from the article

(talking about Nash)
"He then tacked on a pretty shrewd argument about literal interpretations when he pointed out that cheering subs technically leave the bench when they stray onto the court to celebrate big plays."

Good article

Link to Nash Suns article

by jasonsuns1 on May 15, 2007 3:33 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

game whistles

This isn't the last game, but is interesting, probably a link in there for last game, didn't look

I think srp would especially enjoy this, i know i did

Link to whistles of the game s.a. vs suns game 2

by jasonsuns1 on May 15, 2007 3:49 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Great find!

Nice work by that guy. Great find!

thanks

by Phoenix Stan on May 15, 2007 8:31 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm reaching another level of blogging

MUST CHECK OUT ABOVE LINK AND THIS ONE, SOME REALLY GREAT STUFF!!!!!!!!!!

Link to game 4 whistles

by jasonsuns1 on May 15, 2007 4:15 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

hmmm

I watched the same game, and still give the ref love to the Spurs. The fact they called a STRAIGHT game in the 4th is why the Suns won.

I don't count most stupid foot shuffles unless you're in the lane (sorry, Timmy). And apparently, this guy doesn't call over-the-back fouls during rebounds or blocks (fuck you, Timmy).

Not being called on loose ball fouls are how the Spurs make their living...the rest is just show so they can be labeled as playing "good defense".

Fuck 'em. They're dirty bastards and I hope the folk in the Valley "EXPLAIN" it to them.

flim springfield

by DrStrom on May 15, 2007 5:19 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

GAME 4: SUNS vs spurs

All the complaining Suns fans do will never make the game better because it is obvious that the spurs are a team that will resort to playing the way they do, why do you think they have those championship rings? What happened in Game 4 was expected and the thing about it was, the spurs still had a chance to come back, but they chose to go the obvious route of committing a foul (flagrant) that was done only to injure someone. I admire Steve and the Suns for being a team that doesn't loose control when they find themselves behind in games because that shows they are professional. However, the suspensions will probably take place because the Suns don't have that type of luck where things have gone their way, look at the officiating. The spurs have proven again that they are a dirty team and nothing is going to happen to them, by that, I mean, what good is it to suspend horry because he is only a bench player that san antonio can do without. On the other hand, Amare and Boris are two of the key players that the Suns can't do without, and that is where the the series will show just how good Phoenix can recover. It still hurts to see Steve Nash being hit like that, especially by a player that is obviously larger than Steve. The only sad fact that will come out of this situation is that san santonio won't be penalized because that call will go against the Suns because they reacted to what can only be called an unwarranted, classless act that the spurs have been getting away with since the series started. As for the Suns, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK AND DON'T LET THE spurs GET TO YA!..... GO SUNS.......!!!!!!!

by lalbert on May 15, 2007 7:55 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

read srp's find on the radio

We now have ammunition that Duncan went off the bench in the 2nd quarter!!!

This changes things, the Suns assistant brought this up during a a.m. talk show!! If Duncan sits out with Amare, we'll kill them (the spurs)

by jasonsuns1 on May 15, 2007 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Suns must play harder

With or without Amare (Boris too) the Suns must play harder in game 5. They have to forget the bad that happened in game 4, remember the win and take the confidence and intensity into game 5. The Suns have to just play their game, with or without their star player and the backup who is proving to be valuable again.

If the Suns win without Amare and Diaw, what kind of message will be sent to the rest of the league? Just think about it.

Go Suns! Be resilient. Be strong. Beat the Spurs.

by Vash01 on May 15, 2007 8:49 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

same thing

srp radio find, things are different now in my view, wow, what a great find!!

by jasonsuns1 on May 15, 2007 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

video uploading to YouTube now

The problem is there was no altercation in that instance so....

But it could give Stu and out. Benches Amare and Diaw and Horry and Duncan. I'll take them odds.

by Phoenix Stan on May 15, 2007 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

It could be considered an altercation

The guy fell, Junior and he got into a staring match and Duncan obviously thought there would be an altercation. It depends on how they define the word altercation, I guess. :)

by Dan on May 15, 2007 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Duncan

We must remember that there are different rules for Duncan from most other players, esp. the non-Spurs. I am sure the NBA will excuse Duncan but punish both Suns players. Just to make it look 'just' they might suspend Horry for several games, but everyone knows that Horry is just a 3-point specialist and not a starter.

by Vash01 on May 15, 2007 4:06 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs