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Open Gameday Thread - Suns vs Hornets

New Orleans @ Phoenix



Phoenix Suns



vs.

New Orleans Hornets
1-0 1-0
7:30 PM Pacific / 10:30 PM Eastern
TV: TNT
Probable starters:
Steve Nash PG Chris the Paul
Raja Bell SG Mo Pete
Matt Barnes
SF Peja Stojaiwyhlkj
Amare Stoudemire
PF D West
Shaq?? C Tyson "Lob" Chandler

Official Suns Game Notes

 

In the Suns home opener we get what most people consider the second best team in the West. CP3 is always explosive and provides even more problems for the Suns. He exposes our biggest defensive liabilities - staying in front of point guards and big man pick and roll D.

Both teams played their season opener on the road last night and both teams won. We will have to wait and see if Shaq is going to be held out tonight after playing a solid 30 minutes last night. This isn't a good match up for him and I would be somewhat surprised to see him play. Will Lopez start instead? Will Diaw? It's all new in Porter's world.

Looking at both rosters it's pretty clear that the Suns will need another solid bench performance to win. We are the deeper team and if the second unit can keep the pressure on and the score close then perhaps we can see a repeat of last night's closing moves by Amare and Nash.

No predictions for tonight. At this point in the season there's really nothing that could surprise me about this game.

 

 

Star-divide

For this game we are fortunate to have input from two great Hornet's blogs At The Hive and Hornets 24/7.

I answered different questions for both but was lazy and asked them each the same set of questions

Both of these guys represent their city well and demonstrate a certain measure of southern charm and hospitality.

1) People look at the Suns and see an old injury prone team. But don't CP3, West and Peja have their own history with injuries? How do you think the Hornets will fair if one of the starters goes down for an extended period of time?

At the Hive - Well, if Chris Paul goes down for extended time, I'm not sure the Hornets have the pieces to stay afloat. On the other hand, I think if David West or Peja go down, this team is deep enough to cover for that. A player like Chris Paul can elevate a guy like Rasual Butler to a Peja-lite role, which can be huge. It sounds funny, but Tyson Chandler might be a harder injury to recover from if he goes down than David West. West is the better player, but we would miss Tyson's defense a ton. If West goes down, I assume Posey would fill in.

Hornets 24/7 - Chris Paul has had one freak injury that resulted in a very bad high ankle sprain.  It cost him 16 games his sophomore year, but it's not the sort of injury that causes lasting damage.  Other than that, he's only missed 4 games a season. Peja Stojakovic had one terrible year when his back turned to mush.  But realistically, Peja's been fairly durable over his career other than that.  Toss out that season, and he averages 74 games a year.

David West is my real concern though.  For every good year he's had, he's had a bad one - and he's due for a bad one this year.  He's also notoriously slow to heal from real injuries.  He had a bone bruise that kept him out 50 games one year.   Yes, a bone bruise.   Two years ago, he had some inflammation in his elbow that wasn't caused by an injury and just got worse and worse.  He shut it down for a couple weeks and it didn't get better so he had surgery with a recovery time of 4-6 weeks.  He took the full six.  He worries me.

If Paul or Tyson Chandler go down for a while, the Hornets will hurt, no question.  The other three starters have capable backups, but they don't.

2) It feels like the Suns fans went through the same process of being thrilled with the first year's overacheivement and then going into the second year as favorites we all got pretty cocky but the team certainly felt the pressure. Are you ready for it?

Hornets 24/7 - Probably not.  But I'd rather be in the position to have the high.  Oh - and my team is built around three players who are 27 or younger.  Your guys were, and are, old.  Old.  Did I mention they are old?  There, that's what you get for trying to ruin my buzz.  Oh yeah - how's Shaq working out?

At The Hive - I don't think the Hornets or their fans view last year as an overachievement. I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking that the Hornets were better than the Spurs last year and should've won that series. A sloppy game 7 cost them, and they had a chance to take care of business in Game 6. So, if anything, the fan base feels like it fell short of where this team could've gone last year.

Sound familiar Suns fans?

3) Who's the best PG in the league? Ok, just kidding I already know your answer. Is there any real chance that CP3 takes a step back? We've seen guys explode out of the gates like this before only to come back to earth.

Hornets 24/7 - It's entirely possible.  He played at a crazy level and the two players he's most commonly compared to; Kevin Johnson and Isiah Thomas, actually peaked at ages 22-24 and then declined - a bit.  Still - a vast amount of Paul's game is cerebral - so I don't expect much of a decline.

At the Hive - Hah. Of course, there's the chance he takes a step back. I'll be the first to admit that. However, there are many areas of his game he can improve on: perimeter shooting, one on one defense over extended series, and finishing with his weak hand come to mind. And most guys that play crazy basketball before coming down to Earth don't maintain that crazy basketball level for 82 games. The fact that Paul did it for an entire season, then the playoffs is a good indication for the future.

To top it all off, let's say Paul inexplicably regresses to his rookie levels. By John Hollinger's PER, and most other statistical measures, he'd still be the best point guard in the league.

4) What are the Hornet's achilles heal (besides the aforementioned injuries)?

At the Hive - Front court depth, number one. Posey helps out a little bit, but there are no legitimate centers behind Tyson Chandler. The other glaring flaw is the Hornets' inability to get to the free throw line. They were second last in FT/FG last year. Not having the luxury of free throws to fall back on during an off shooting night is never a good thing.

Hornets 24/7 - The Hornets fielded a top defense last year, but what was hidden in those numbers were the Hornets having difficulty stopping Shooting Guards and Centers, while crushing Forwards and breaking even on Point Guards.  Posey and Devin Brown replacing the defenseless Bonzi Wells and Jannero Pargo will help with the Shooting Guard, but we'll still have some problems stopping Centers.  Too often the Hornets leave Chandler on an island against them.  It hurts sometimes.

5) You've now had a chance to feel the bitter pain of being eliminated by the Spurs. We're gunning for revenge this year and would love another shot at them come spring. How about you? Who are you hoping to get a peice of?

Hornets 24/7 - My personal antipathy is towards the Jazz.  The Spurs I can live with - I felt that Bruce Bowen got absolutely abused to my satisfaction by Paul in the playoffs, so I don't have the Bowen-spurred hatred other team's fans do.  But the Jazz? They need to be humbled.

At the Hive - Beating the Spurs would be nice. But I truly believe this Hornets team was better than them last year, and is even better than them this year. I'd love to see us take on the Lakers. Their size and depth challenges our two biggest weaknesses, and it'd be amazing if we could knock them out of the playoffs this season. The other team I'd like to get a piece of is the Jazz. Deron Williams has dominated Chris Paul throughout his career, and that head to head matchup is the last thing Jazz fans can point to in the Deron vs. CP3 debate. I hope Chris can figure that matchup out soon.

Jazz fans haven't been making a lot of friends lately...The Nugs and Rockets also hate them and they got mad at me because I refused to accept that the Suns and Jazz had a rivalry based on sharing a state boarder...

Thanks again to these fine gentlemen. Be sure to check out both great blogs at At The Hive and Hornets 24/7.

 

WARNING: This Phoenix Suns team is very much a work in progress

DO NOT PANIC if there are early season losses and a general look of discombobulation

 

 

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Earl Watson is pure gold

I was expecting the “humour” pick to be Marbury or Bassy Telfair.

I actually think Earl Watson is OK. I wouldn’t mind if he was our backup point guard.

by gadogry on Oct 30, 2008 12:55 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can't believe that I'm about to say this...

…but I think the Suns might have a small advantage in this game due to the depth of our bench. Last year we often would start well against the Hornets until Nash came out, then everything fell apart. Dragic is going to get abused by CP3, but hopefully the D we saw last night from our 2nd unit (as long as we actually hit some shots tonight) will reappear tonight.

by Genesius on Oct 30, 2008 1:03 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, here's another plus:

Jannero Pargo isn’t going to crazy on us for like 20 points like he used to.

I’ll be at Buffalo Wild Wings for this one, enjoying some boneless wings and hopefully a Suns victory (or at least another performance in the right direction).

by Azreous on Oct 30, 2008 4:09 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A good test tonite

The Hornets swept the series last year, but those were all pretty close games as I recall, and the last one had the Suns shorthanded having traded Marion and Shaq watching pointing at his ring finger from a luxury box. Here’s where we see how much the back-to-backs will take out of those old legs. I’m sure the Hornets are favored, but lets see if the rebounding can be less of a killer this time.

by SoCalSun on Oct 30, 2008 4:48 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

CP3 Stopper?

Too bad Linton Johnson isn’t here for the game.

I was wondering last night, and will probably be wondering tonight, why First-Team All-Defensive Player Raja Bell, wasn’t on the point. If Bell’s so good, why wasn’t he guarding Parker? Will he guard Paul?

The one play I remember from last night where he was on Parker, Parker beat him with a horribly telegraphed back-cut.

Bowen guards the point. Why can’t Raja do it? Raja could cover Paul and Steve could float over to the 2 (or even 3) and hang out on the perimeter.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Oct 30, 2008 5:51 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LJ! Ha!

I think that Bell is more of a pressure defender meaning he’s good getting up on guys that don’t have the quickness to blow by him. He also lacks the length to make up for his lack of quickness like a Marion or Hill can. Those guys can play back a step to help limit the blow by’s but then can use their long arms to still contest jump shots.

Bell is not quick. He’s not long. And he certainly can’t jump.

I think his D is most about his desire and toughness and physicality. Good against Kobe or Roy. Not good against Parkquer or Scooter Ellis.

by Phoenix Stan on Oct 30, 2008 5:58 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I never thought about Bell like that

But it definitely makes sense.

I figured Porter wanted to play more traditional and get guys used to doing what they’re going to be doing night in and night out.

by hcblankscreen on Oct 30, 2008 7:34 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

SUNS FTW!!!

"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness

by Turambar on Oct 30, 2008 8:52 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let’s go, Suns. 2 turnovers to start.

by TwinnerA on Oct 30, 2008 8:54 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

still some preseason rust

"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness

by Turambar on Oct 30, 2008 8:56 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Does Barnes have a nick name?

"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness

by Turambar on Oct 30, 2008 9:08 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmm, don't know

I had forgotten how bright those orange unis were, especially on TV. Yikes!

by TwinnerA on Oct 30, 2008 9:17 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2nd unit is up!

Lets see how it goes…
2n foul on Lopez in just 5 seconds…

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Oct 30, 2008 9:23 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Love that Porter is sticking to the plan

down by 10 – no worries. Just keep the bench on the floor

Lopez get’s 3 quick fouls. No worries put in Pony Boy

It may not win this game but it will pay off later

by Phoenix Stan on Oct 30, 2008 9:40 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yup

"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness

by Turambar on Oct 30, 2008 9:41 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2nd unit

really outa sync. I like that Porter is willing to leave them in though. They need to learn how to play as a squad…even if they are failing at life.

"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness

by Turambar on Oct 30, 2008 9:40 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Turnovers are killing me man!

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Oct 30, 2008 9:41 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They are indeed sloppy tonight. I expect the 2nd half to smooth out

"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness

by Turambar on Oct 30, 2008 9:42 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

too many freebies

The technical fouls, while a good sign of fire, etc, aren’t helping anything either tonight.

by Black Jesus Disciples on Oct 30, 2008 10:15 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is it just me

or are the Suns just not getting any ref breaks?

"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness

by Turambar on Oct 30, 2008 9:47 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is getting out of hand...

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Oct 30, 2008 9:48 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

refs seem to dislike us, the offense is absolutely out of wack and the hornets are on fire from long range

"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness

by Turambar on Oct 30, 2008 9:52 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lookin a bit better going into the half

"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness

by Turambar on Oct 30, 2008 9:56 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Single digits!

Let’s go guys!!

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Oct 30, 2008 9:56 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sigh

Sloppy first half. Still expect them to come out with fire in there bellies the second half

"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness

by Turambar on Oct 30, 2008 9:59 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What a stupid and bogus call..

Cost us three freaking points!

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Oct 30, 2008 9:59 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NBA Live -09

World’s longest commercial…GO TO HELL.

by Black Jesus Disciples on Oct 30, 2008 10:15 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agreed

2k9 is far better. True story

"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness

by Turambar on Oct 30, 2008 10:16 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Raja Bell

Is not getting any Love from Potter…
By the way…this crowd is D-E-A-D

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Oct 30, 2008 10:17 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

unhappy

Raja doesn’t seem himself. If this continues for some time, we’ll have to wonder if he and Coach Porter don’t see eye to eye.

by Black Jesus Disciples on Oct 30, 2008 10:20 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm sorry guys but we need to cut this lead FAST

They have to run…

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Oct 30, 2008 10:25 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This 12 point lead feels like 25

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Oct 30, 2008 10:28 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

arms reach

Hornets haven’t let them get anywhere closer than 9 in what seems like forever. I would agree, the Hornets are in control.

by Black Jesus Disciples on Oct 30, 2008 10:34 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good intensity on the Defensive end

Goran seemed to bother CP3 on several plays…Let’s go guys!

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Oct 30, 2008 10:53 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Boris Diaw!!!

Awesome pass!

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Oct 30, 2008 10:57 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It really was

As much as we dog Boris, he really does have great vision. And I agree about Goran: he’s played a few really nice defensive minutes here.

And that’s all we need him to do: play good D and not turn over the ball.

Purchasing my Dragic jersey

by rosewood on Oct 30, 2008 11:01 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Goran

Is impressing big time. He actually looked like he was having fun out there!

by hcblankscreen on Oct 30, 2008 11:00 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

He’s starting to look loose, which is good. The guy really is good defender if he’ll relax.

Purchasing my Dragic jersey

by rosewood on Oct 30, 2008 11:02 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Posey

I hate him because he doesn’t play for us.

Purchasing my Dragic jersey

by rosewood on Oct 30, 2008 11:03 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We deserved that.

Purchasing my Dragic jersey

by rosewood on Oct 30, 2008 11:05 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

RIDICULOUS

Really? Three 3’s? Really really?

by Black Jesus Disciples on Oct 30, 2008 11:05 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The three's you can deal with

Two offensive rebounds? We’re partying like it’s 05-06

Purchasing my Dragic jersey

by rosewood on Oct 30, 2008 11:06 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Awful PnR defense

by Amare, though he had been looking good for the past few plays.

Purchasing my Dragic jersey

by rosewood on Oct 30, 2008 11:07 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ouch!

Those two offensive rebounds realy hurt us. Again, everything comes down to last minute defensive plays and being focused when it matters…

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Oct 30, 2008 11:08 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

We don’t have much margin for error here

Purchasing my Dragic jersey

by rosewood on Oct 30, 2008 11:10 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nash

has been sloppy tonight.

Purchasing my Dragic jersey

by rosewood on Oct 30, 2008 11:10 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Strange as it sounds

the defensive gap between Nash and Dragic is very apparent.

Purchasing my Dragic jersey

by rosewood on Oct 30, 2008 11:12 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Unconscious.

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by rosewood on Oct 30, 2008 11:12 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sh*t!

Those 3s really killed us tonight…

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Oct 30, 2008 11:14 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah,

NO was hot and we were very sloppy with the ball. I mean, 23 TOs? We’re lucky we were in it at all.

Purchasing my Dragic jersey

by rosewood on Oct 30, 2008 11:15 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, I guess we gotta look at the bright side

Nash played well, aside from the 3 turnovers in a row.
Barbosa = Awful tonight
Lopez = Are you kidding me?
Amare = Needs more touches and refs are not helping him at all
Shaq = I didn’t even notice the dude…
Barnes = non-factor

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Oct 30, 2008 11:21 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you didn't like lopez'

3 fouls and 1 TO in 95 seconds?

Suns Re-ignited.

by ZonaFlash on Oct 30, 2008 11:27 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They bombed the hell out of us

13-24 55%… What’s up with the perimeter D? I thought Barnes and Bell had that locked down. Was LB smoking crack on the perimeter, shooting 0-5 from the arc and sleeping on defense?

Of course, 24 TOs couldn’t have helped.

Glad it wasn’t a blowout. Within 5 with 4 to go is about as good as you can ask for. Damn its hard to not like the hornets.

Suns Re-ignited.

by ZonaFlash on Oct 30, 2008 11:20 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hard not to like

I just wrote the same thing, Zona. Couldn’t agree more.

by Black Jesus Disciples on Oct 30, 2008 11:36 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sigh

Cant get too angry about this. It’s just too early in the season.

Our team is still trying to discover who they are. We’ll just have to be patient.

I have to say though that loosing a game due to sloppiness is very frustrating.

"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness

by Turambar on Oct 30, 2008 11:36 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Too many things just went wrong.

Seems like the team still isnt quite on the same page.

"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness

by Turambar on Oct 30, 2008 11:37 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great game guys

Well played, other than the turnovers which I’m sure you’ll figure out as the season goes along.

by atthehive on Oct 31, 2008 12:11 AM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Steve Nash averaging 35 min after 2 games.

Granted those were against two top teams, but does anyone really expect that average to get close to 30??

Suns Re-ignited.

by ZonaFlash on Oct 31, 2008 10:06 AM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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