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Systemic Anomaly -- The Milwaukee Game

All right, so I did some digging around through statistics, because this kind of stuff interests me. I was curious to find out what kind of precedent there was for a Suns team taking so few shots and getting to the line so frequently. At the very least, I figured it had to have been uncommon since bringing Nash into the fold four years ago. Below are the results:

The 61 FG attempts are the fewest in any game this decade (dating back to the 1999-2000 season). At this late hour I didn't really feel like delving back into further history to see if this was some kind of franchise record, but at the very least it shows what a rarity this is. To contrast, in Nash's first four seasons with the Suns, the team attempted less than 70 field goals in a game just eight times.

Meanwhile, the attempts at the line from the Bucks game (54) were also obscenely high. In fact, it was the highest number of FTA since 2001, which we'll get to shortly. That's 22 more free throws than ANY game in 2005-06. No other game in the past seven years even came close; the only ones in range were a couple of 42-attempt games (3/4/08 against the Jazz, 2/14/05 against the Jazz) and a 44 FT outing (11/26/01 against...the Jazz).

Way back in 2001, when gas was 10 cents a gallon, Mario Elie started and Vinny Del Negro came off the bench for the Suns, Phoenix and Orlando squared off in a matchup that was eerily similar to the game on Saturday. Here are the two lines:

02-20-01 @ Magic: 32-62 FG, 43-55 FT
11-08-08 @ Bucks: 27-61 FG, 44-54 FT

The situations are a little different, of course; Amare contributed 20 of those 54 free throw attempts by himself. The 2001 team had to depend on Shawn Marion getting to the line 13 times, with some significant help from J-Kidd, Uncle Cliffy, Tony Delk and Rodney Rogers (and a nice six-foul contribution from then-Magic player Bo Outlaw). The '01 squad only attempted seven threes, which looks much different than what we've become accustomed too. It becomes clear that such a glaring disparity between a scant amount of shots and a huge number of trips to the line is pretty rare.

One thing worth mentioning: Unlike in the 7SoL era, the FGA/game being this low isn't that uncommon. Out of the seven games so far this season, the Suns have fewer than 70 attempts in five of them, and have yet to take more than 80 shots in any game. It would seem Porter's more deliberate approach on the offensive end -- as well as the discretion on when to run and when to slow it down -- has already taken effect, but not at the expense of winning (or scoring).

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Nice research on an interesting question.

 
We’ll see which teams live on the line this year.

Suns Re-ignited.

by ZonaFlash on Nov 10, 2008 4:05 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

My question

since I can oonly follow sportsline gamecenter, I did not see the game. Can anyone report on the reffingg? Were they legitimate fouls?

Also, I am a bit concerned that the Suns had difficulty puttng the Bucks away with them playing without Michael Redd.

Two other concerns:

Dragic seems to be a bust
LB should have been traded the moment D’A went to New York. We could have gotten David Lee. Barbs seems to be lost without his favorite coach. Who can we get to send him stupid notes with smiley faces?

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on Nov 10, 2008 5:47 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Legit Fouls

For the most part. There were quite a few grabs and arm strikes.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Nov 10, 2008 8:41 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Too early to call Dragic a bust.

It’s been 7 games his NBA career.

However, consider that if Tau Ceramica really wanted him, they could have kept him.

And then consider Sarunas Jaskivus (whatever). Or the parade of Euro PGs that make Tony Parker the exception rather than the rule.

Suns Re-ignited.

by ZonaFlash on Nov 10, 2008 10:07 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

For the most part, legit.

The difference in fouls was 33-24, so it wasn’t too glaring of a split. Really, the biggest difference was that the Bucks were racking up team fouls at the start of quarters by getting shooting fouls on Amare, and finding themselves in the penalty quickly. Toss in the usual free throws to extend the game at the end, and it was more about the timing of the fouls than the quantity.

by Azreous on Nov 10, 2008 10:18 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Great stuff!

More please! And thanks!

by Phoenix Stan on Nov 10, 2008 8:29 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

No problem.

by Azreous on Nov 10, 2008 10:18 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Work boredom.

Without much else on my plate at the office today, I took a look a little further back, as far as basketball-reference’s game logs would let me go (1986-87). The 61 FGA mark seems to hold up through the past 22 years. Nothing else tied the 62 against the Magic, either; the closest was a pair of 64-attempt games in 1988 and 1997. (The Charles Barkley-led Suns never took less than 71 shots in any game.) I’m willing to bet that it could be a franchise record, since the Suns have existed entirely in the shot clock era.

On the flip side, the record for free throw attempts in a game isn’t likely to be challenged any time soon, if ever. That really is a frightening box score.

by Azreous on Nov 10, 2008 12:15 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Mark Eaton only got 4 PFs?

His ears must have been ringing after Sloan chewed him out for that.

52 of a possible max 72 PFs is really impressive, even for 1OT.

Perhaps a Spurs-Suns match could challenge that game, provided Shaq doesn’t foul out first, of course.

Suns Re-ignited.

by ZonaFlash on Nov 10, 2008 12:37 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

52/72.

It truly is impressive. I don’t even know how that’s possible. It just seems like at some point steam would start coming out of Sloan’s ears and he’d tell his team not to touch anyone ever again.

Some last bits of information: The shot-clock era NBA record for fewest attempts in a game is 53, shared by Cleveland and Utah in 1997. Meanwhile, the free throws made and attempted from that 1990 Utah game are both NBA records that the Suns hold.

by Azreous on Nov 10, 2008 12:54 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Sloan's philosophy

Sloan’s main defensive philosophy is to stop guys physically, or foul out trying.

``[On Kobe Bryant] The guy’s a great shooter and a terrific player but I never had anyone foul out guarding him,’’ Utah coach Jerry Sloan said. ``So that says it’s not important enough to try.’’

He’s famously criticized AK47 following a PO game for not fouling out in an attempt to stop other players. I can’t find a link tho.

Suns Re-ignited.

by ZonaFlash on Nov 10, 2008 1:19 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Okay this is a good description of Sloan's Foul-First Foul-Hard Defense

Hollinger on Utah

Which is why I thank the NBA for a 6-foul limit, even tho I have Amar’e and Shaq on my team.

Suns Re-ignited.

by ZonaFlash on Nov 10, 2008 1:51 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Cleveland

If memory serves, I believe that was the Mike Fratello coached Cavs. No surprise on the few shot attempts. Those were some of the slowest paced, grueling games ever to watch. I think it was Fratello’s attempt at not getting Craig Ehlo posterized by MJ again by giving MJ less opportunities to do so!

by KJ7 on Nov 11, 2008 10:48 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah well

jasikevicius was really good in the olympics… it’s only a bit different style of basketball around these parts than in the NBA… dragic might turn out to be good. strange is, noone in europe heard much about him, and then, suddenly, he’s the backup point for my favourite team… what a turnaround

Once upon a time the Suns got out on the break... and along came Steve sucKerr

by Murcy on Nov 11, 2008 1:02 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Nice job man

Thanks for the info, that’s some great research. I hate looking up Stats some I’m glad that someone would do the dirty work. Keep them coming my friend!

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Nov 11, 2008 7:12 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

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