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Rockets Disappoint Suns 94-82, Barnes disappoints too

Can there be a more disappointing team than the Rockets?  Yes. 

And today it was the Phoenix Suns by more than just 12 points.  The Suns shot less than 36% on the night and generally stunk so bad that they could not get a George W. Bush on a night when Artest, Scola and Barry combined for 3-24.  That was because Bell, Barbosa, Hill and Diaw combined for just 6-29 and Amare was held to 11 points for the night.  Again, the Suns had another crappy night being outshot from 3.    Hubie Brown noted the Suns did not get a single point in transition.   I'd say the Suns transition is now complete!

The Titans of the Paint battled to a draw with strong numbers for Ming and Shaq but weak numbers for STAT and Scola.  TMac posted some big numbers, but I felt that he didn't really get going until the Rockets had pulled away and the game opened up.  His 27 points may have sealed the victory, but given 22 of them did not come until the second half when the Rocket's lead was well-established.  The main difference was the sharp guard play by the Rockets and the generally sloppy play and shooting on part of the Suns wings.  Both Rafer Alston and Aaron Brooks had solid nights and seemingly could not be slowed by Phoenix' rather porous-looking defense.

The story of the night besides the disappointing Rockets win was the cheap shot Barnes put on Alston.  The Rockets were up 16 with 27 seconds left in the 3rd quarter and Barnes, with Artest on the floor mind you, puts his shoulder into Alston.

Here's the rest:

 

Star-divide

 

Now its up to you what you think about a hit like this.  Early in the season.  In a game where the team is down 16 (soon to be 19).  Unprovoked.

I was a big fan of Bell's clothesline on Kobe a few years ago.  I was tired of my team being bullied by Kwame Brown.  I felt it was deserved retribution for elbows and dirty plays.  It was the playoffs when I wanted my team to care most.  That is not this case.

Obviously I think this play sucks.  I think it sucks more than some twitter trash talk.  I think it sucks more than some taunting.  I think it's just plain stupid. And Nash running back into the skirmish.  That was dumber than Barnes' cheap shot.

Also, there's something I've thought about that I didn't say about the suspension during the Spurs Suns playoffs two seasons ago.  Had Nash not gone running back into the fight, there would have been no "fight" to discuss.  Then there wouldn't have been any suspensions for Amare and Boris walking on to the court.  No fight, no suspensions. 

Steve Nash, stop running into fights like you're the team enforcer or something.  When Kobe was clotheslined, he didn't go back to mess with Bell.  Because he knew he had won.  Next time, I'd appreciate you simply staying on the ground and counting to 5 before getting up. Steve Nash, I thought you were a pacifist, man?  What up?

 

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Barnes' Cheap Shot was
A bitch move
80 votes
A sign that he cares
49 votes
just basketball, it happens
37 votes

166 votes | Poll has closed

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Bell

Don’t forget that he stunk up the joint on both ends of the court. Can’t a guy who’s missing everything be the enforcer?

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Nov 12, 2008 11:55 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I considered that Nash and Bell's play tonight was like they were on strike against management

“Run or we’ll stink!!”

How’d you like the Knicks CRUSHING the Griz tonight. 132-103. 19 treys. Nate Robinson 8-8 and 5-5 downtown. Wilson “Who?” Chandler with 27 points on 11 of 12 shooting and 4-4 beyond the arc.

Suns Re-ignited.

by ZonaFlash on Nov 12, 2008 11:59 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Come on you hypocrits.

You’re gonna complain about a little taunting and some internet trash talk but back a dirty play?

Suns Re-ignited.

by ZonaFlash on Nov 13, 2008 12:00 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, Nash shouldn't have gone after Horry or Alston

He should just smile, shrug, and shoot an NBA Cares commercial on the spot.

The cheap shot, was a cheap shot. We all knew Barnes had a little bit of punk in him and you could hear Rafer’s trash talk on the broadcast.

by hcblankscreen on Nov 13, 2008 12:40 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Are you joking about Nash?

He obviously knows he’s not supposed to be the tough guy and fight it out with everyone who picks on him on the other team.. but two things he does know is that there needs to be a point in which he says enough is enough (Horry) and that he needs to stick up for his teammates (tonight).

With the Horry shot, if you want to take another look…. Amare and Boris were already off the bench by the time Nash got up and once he did, they were being forced back by the Assistant Coaches.

With tonight, to me, he looked like he was just running up to the altercation (may have grabbed alston’s jersey before or after he tripped) and McGrady pushed him.

Yes, Barnes move was uncalled for. If this was a playoff series, I would not have minded Barnes move at all. In this game, where we are being punished, I agree that it was uncalled for, but I’m not gonna disown him for it.

by brian13 on Nov 13, 2008 1:05 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah Boris and Amare were already off the bench

But it would not have been a altercation had Nash not charged back into the middle. Nash escalated a cheap shot into a fight. Suspensions followed per the rule.

Suns Re-ignited.

by ZonaFlash on Nov 13, 2008 1:07 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Here's what I'm saying..

If you are the smallest guy on the court, and the leader of your team, and you (and your team) are continually getting bullied by everyone on the Spurs for the first 4 games of the Playoff series, you need to do something about it. You said you’re a big fan of Bell’s clothesline because you were tired of being bullied by Kwame Brown and the rest of the Lakers antics, but somehow you’re condemning Nash charging someone who just hip checked him into the scoreboard? I don’t get it.

by brian13 on Nov 13, 2008 1:16 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I hear ya.

I am all for initiating a cheap shot in certain cases. I am never for responding to a cheap shot once the officials are engaged. It is different.

You might think that’s splitting hairs, but it also matters who’s doing it. Bell fine. Barnes fine.

Nash?

I don’t think Nash should charge anyone. He should learn to set a hard pick once first. Or a decent elbow. He’s not going to hurt anyone, he not going to scare anyone, he’s not going to make them think twice about their next grab or push.

Suns Re-ignited.

by ZonaFlash on Nov 13, 2008 1:26 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Canadians

You can take the kid out of Canada but you can’t take the hockey out of the kid…

I kind of like to see Nash getting into it. On the court he’s a tough little dude and Rafer was going after his boy. He was the closest team mate. If he just watches he’s a punk.

T-Mac btw did the right thing too. As did Shaq.

Barnes and Rafer were the problem children here and both deserved the boot.

by Phoenix Stan on Nov 13, 2008 9:08 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess we just disagree.

Maybe with the Horry shot, the best move would have been to pop right back up and go shoot free throws… but I’m definitely not gonna argue against what Nash did.

As for tonight, I understand that he was running towards an altercation, but I don’t think he was trying to start anything. I looked at it again and I think that he ran over there to either intervene or back up a teammate, then started to trip/ grabbed Alston’s jersey, and then McGrady pushed him over. I just don’t think that Nash did anything wrong in this situation at all.

by brian13 on Nov 13, 2008 1:36 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Things that might have caused Nash to run towards trouble

I get your point Zona, I really do. But I have to disagree.
It’s easy to say that Nash should have taken the high road in the Horry situation but you have to take into consideration that the reason Nash got up so fast was because he saw Bell and the rest of his teammates going at Horry. The altercation had already taken place, even before he got up.

Now, theres is really no way to know what were his intentions last night. He tripped and hung on to Alston’s jersey. Which could have been interpreted as an agression.

We might be upset (I know I am) about the way that he is playing recently, but the guy has done everything in his power to help his team win. I think is unfair to make him responsible for the suspensions that year.

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Nov 13, 2008 7:30 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Nash is absolutely worthless in a fight.

I’d rather have Nate Robinson

Suns Re-ignited.

by ZonaFlash on Nov 14, 2008 12:14 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome to the new Suns.

This was caused more by frustration with the new Stroll and Suck play of the Suns than anything else. Kerr and Porter have exactly what they were striving for, Spurs Junior without Duncan. This game was so bad, it doesn’t deserve any more comment, but it is the future of the Suns under Kerr.

by TheTruthSquad on Nov 13, 2008 7:50 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

I agree

It is time to call it. 9 games in the season is over. I predict the Suns will now go 6-76 for the season shattering all records for futility.

We should trade Nash now. I bet we could get Javaris Crittenton back for him right?
I wonder who might want Amare and Boris? The Magic need a power forward to play with Dwight. The C’s could use a guy like Diaw.

We should blow this thing up and start stock piling draft picks so in 5 years we can be where the Blazers are now.

by Phoenix Stan on Nov 13, 2008 9:12 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

In other news...

Porter’s offense blows. Hooray for Shaq/Amare doing well in general, but if our entire offense is “dump the ball to Shaq, let him make the decisions”, then it renders Nash completely useless, as evidenced by his numbers this season.

by rsavaj on Nov 13, 2008 9:47 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Nice poll...

Just like all pollsters, if you ask the right question, you’ll get the answer you want. What about the people who don’t think it was a cheap shot? The Suns knew what they were getting when they signed Barnes…and that’s what they wanted.

The team is 6-3 and doing better than most of the people on here thought they would…I thought we all agreed a championship is won at the end of the year – not 9 games into the season.

If the Suns continue on this pace, they’ll end up with 54 wins. Not too bad for a team some people above are calling the “Stroll and Suck” team…

by sunsblogger on Nov 13, 2008 11:30 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Here here

Let’s not freak out just yet. Maybe if we lose to the Kings then we can all jump off the bridge together :)

by Phoenix Stan on Nov 13, 2008 11:36 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

If the Suns lose to the Kings

I’ll get off my high-horse and will start to cry silent tears…until then, I’m going to look at the bright side and celebrate the little things. Like getting to watch Shaq push down a whole group of NBA players with one shove.

by sunsblogger on Nov 13, 2008 12:19 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Barnes hasn’t been to good, and what he did was unnecessary. However, the refs are at fault for not calling a foul. Instead of starting a scuffle, Rafer should have complained to the referees. Barnes fouled him, yes, but it was Rafer’s reaction to the foul that caused the entire melee. Complain to the refs don’t start fights. Leave the regulating and officiating to those paid to do so

by LSoffer9 on Nov 13, 2008 12:16 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Actually these type of "cheap shots" happen just about every game

“Hustle player, Energy guy, Tenacious Defender etc etc” are just euphemisms for doing a lot of the cheap, little things that usually won’t get you called for a foul. Holding, kneeing, elbowing, hip checks, jersey pulling, it’s legal if the ref doesn’t call it.

Since the refs didn’t call Barnes’ bump on Alston, there shouldn’t have been any incident in the first place, other than some whining to the refs. That shoulder hit was much weaker than Horry on Nash, and is in fact pretty common in most games. It just happens that Alston was being a trash-talking pussy.

by felixthm on Nov 13, 2008 8:24 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

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