Suggestions from a Bitter Fan
Last night's game was one of the must frustrating games that I’ve seen as a Suns fan and believe me, I’ve seen plenty.
We all knew that The New Suns were going to take some time to adjust and adapt to the new system. We all knew that there were going to be some games where we were going to feel this team was not going to make it to the playoffs and that the important thing was not to panic…However, I feel that Mr. Terry Porter needs to make some in-game adjustments to make sure he is using everyone the proper way.
Here are some suggestions from a fan:
1.Stop experimenting with lineups: I understand that you are trying to look for something to click offensively and defensively, you are moving your players to see which one plays better with whom but you can’t afford to do that against elite teams. Porter seems to have a different plan every game, different lineups and this could be confusing the players. Hard evidence to that is the amount of turnovers. Players are not expecting Nash to make a fast break pass anymore, they are expecting to walk the court and get positioned to execute the half court play. How many times did I see Nash push the ball and stop after realizing that he was alone in the fast break? There’s no rhythm on the offensive end and it could be because the players are not used to playing together and playing under a different system certainly doesn’t help.
2. Don’t just say you are going to run, do it!: Porter has said several times that he wants to run the ball on certain occasions, Hell, he said it last night also:
“We want to push it up and get to our spots quicker, we just want to execute quicker and give us a good shot earlier in the shot clock”
Really? Is that so? Because I didn’t see that last night. Not even when we were down by a bunch of points. All I saw was a team that was walking the ball without any type of desire to cut the lead. Dumping the ball in the post and standing around expecting Shaq to score.
Oh, but then he says stuff like these:
“The days of the fans thinking that it is going to be seven seconds or less are over, You just don’t have the personnel to do that”
Huh… Ok. Let’s see: Nash, Barbosa, Amare, Boris, Grant, Raja, Matt. I’d say you have enough to go small from time to time.
I don’t know if TP is hesitant to let Nash and the good guys play faster because he doesn’t want to resemble the suns former coach. Maybe he doesn’t want to get in trouble with the Boss. Who knows? But what he does have to understand is that most of our players play better when running and he might want to take that into consideration. After all, aren’t we suppose to be hybrids? The best of two worlds? Last night we had 0 points out of fast breaks. None.
3. The Point Guard issue: Steve Nash has made his career out of reacting instead of thinking. I think is safe to say that he doesn’t feel comfortable just dumping the ball in the Post and standing around. If Porter wants his PG to do this, he might as well start Goran and put Steve in when he wants to run or go small. It’s a waste of effort, he is useless in half court sets. If he is playing off the ball, he should shoot it. I haven’t seen any plays drawn for Nash, I’ve only seen
Final Thoughts
I’m glad to see Amaré and Shaq doing better, after all, both of them are getting a lot of touches. But if Porter is going to be as stubborn as D’Antoni (ironically, this time it’s not the defense but the offense) this team is not going anywhere. I’m all for the change, I’m all for the half court play and defense but all I’ve seen is the same -last year’s- defense with a worse offense.
I have to say that D’Antoni did a better job than Porter (at least for now) incorporating Shaq and half court plays and at the same time keeping a balance and allowing Nash to run and do what he does best.
Things can still get better, or worse. It’s only the 9th game of the season but last night’s game told me a lot about what to expect during the upcoming tough stretch.
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Good Post
I think quicker ball movement will also help. It’s safe to say we aren’t going to run nearly as much anymore but there isn’t any excuse for how slow we have been moving the ball not only around the perimeter, but also down low in the post to Shaq and Amare who only have a few seconds to get a shot up.
I think if we look at successful teams with half-court sets like (as much as it pains me to say it) the Lakers, they move the ball extremely well which is a good substitute for not running. Right now, we aren’t close to that.
I think we’ll get there, but it may take us a few more games and much more effort.
It's Ba-Nash. It's a no brainer.
by Suns Ben on Nov 13, 2008 10:21 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Nash shooting and what not
I am not so sure I agree w/ the point about not having plays for Nash. He took a lot of shots himself in the half court set. In fact I recall specifically him passing up on an open 3 after shaq passed out of the post but then on the very next time down he took the 3 and made it.
He then proceeded to try and score several more times in the first quarter but missed a lot of shots.
In fact, he took 7 shots in the first half and hit 3. 7 is the same number of attemps that Barnes and Barbosa took in the first half as well.
I guess I am not so down after this game. A lot of open shots were missed. And for whatever reason Amare didn’t get enough touches.
Clearly this is a team still sorting a lot of things out but I am not all that concerned either. It was a bad game against a good defensive team.
It was still a winable game until T-Mac went off. T-Mac btw who presents a serious match up problem against our shooting guards. As I said in the game thread, in the past we would cover him with a 3 and you could put Bell on Batier but with Artest’s low post game that’s suicide.
So, defensively I think we could have done some different things like play with a bigger lineup – Nash, Barnes, Diaw, Amare and Shaq instead of leaving Bell and Barbosa to get abused by T-Mac.
Of course, he was shooting so poorly coming in but that’s the adjustment I would have made on the defensive end. It wasn’t like Bell or LB were scoring anyway.
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by Phoenix Stan on Nov 13, 2008 11:24 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Shot selection
Btw – in the first half Shaq only had 5 attempts and Amare 4.
The Rockets were overplaying our bigs and if our wings are going to miss those open shots then we are going to struggle. Period.
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by Phoenix Stan on Nov 13, 2008 11:26 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
On the flip side
Rafer and Brooks were tearing it up from outside. They each went 4-6 from the outside in the first half. I know it’s easy to blame our defensive guard play but it takes a big and a small to contest a screen and shoot.
If Nash is going to chase over a screen set by Shaq’s man and Shaq isn’t going to jump out and contest (which he never will) then those guys are going to get open looks all game. If they are making them then you live with that or you bench Shaq.
The offense is out of synch. Guys are thinking too much and when they get down everyone is trying to be the hero. It will come together. They are too good not to figure it out.
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by Phoenix Stan on Nov 13, 2008 11:31 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
But one thing is creating your shot of the dribble (like he always does) and another is having plays drawn for you. That’s what I was talking about.
"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"
by PanamaSun on Nov 13, 2008 12:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
This brings up a great question
that I would love to ask Coach Porter. Who many of the offensive sets are scripted and how many are more general like “go in to the post for awhile but don’t pass on open shots”.
In my watching of games it seems that only about a 1/3 of the “plays” are really “called” and then the rest seem to just develop based on how the defense is playing. Nash seems to shot when he feels like it and its not as if he has trouble getting open.
I don’t see how “running plays” for him would get him more open.
What I am not seeing enough of (but did see early in the game) is other people moving without the ball. Setting picks and diving. Everyone else (Barnes, Bell and Amare) seem to stand around waiting to see what Nash and Shaq are going to do with the ball.
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by Phoenix Stan on Nov 13, 2008 12:53 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point...
What I am not seeing enough of (but did see early in the game) is other people moving without the ball. Setting picks and diving. Everyone else (Barnes, Bell and Amare) seem to stand around waiting to see what Nash and Shaq are going to do with the ball.
Which is a pattern I was hoping to break this year so we don’t wear out Nash by the time the playoffs start.
I credit Porter in that I think he is trying to do the things that will improve the team and our weaknesses as a whole but either he, the team, or both are just not doing a good job of executing.
It's Ba-Nash. It's a no brainer.
by Suns Ben on Nov 13, 2008 1:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
A bit early
They had one terrible game against the rockets. Barnes couldn’t hit a layup. Several times. You can’t win them all (unless you’re the L*kers – so far). Relax though, just one bad game.
by eagleheart on Nov 13, 2008 2:10 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
You are right eagle
I actually had most of these suggestions in mind before last nights game. I’m kind of reacting like this because I expected a better game. I feel that last night was important for us since it was a real test and we totally failed. But you are right, it’s just one game after all.
"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"
by PanamaSun on Nov 13, 2008 2:30 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I am leery
of the “its just one game” rhetoric for two reasons:
1) It makes us sound like the Sp*rs, and that is bad
2) In the brutal Western conference, wins become very important
That is not to say that there was a chance that we could have won. With the way the Rockets were clicking, beating them would have been incredibly difficult. I do think that we could have made the game more competitive, but for whatever reason it just was not our night.
Arizona expatriate in Missouri
by Snakebitten on Nov 13, 2008 2:57 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
snakebitten
i agree, it’s all about position, and being in the western conference, there are going to be 2-3 teams who won’t make the playoffs that should. What bothers me about this game, the turnovers…Houston has become a title threat with the addition of artest, the best off season move by anyone.
I can’t be too concerned with losses to teams like N.O. and Houston right now, as long as we keep on a pace to win 55 or so, I’m good. But this team has a chance to be smart, but are they smart. Meaning they could be the old run n gun team during stretches, and the new slow offensive team during other stretches (shaq).
I understand the frustration of Panama, but, we’re still doing ok vs someone like the Mav’s, who are on the bridge and thinking about jumping.
Also, I feel bad for Nash, he was so fit for the run n gun style, in this style he makes a lot of mistakes….and maybe he’ll get smarter and make less mistakes…but I think that only goes so far
To me, the fast play was the key with nash, one, nash can run with anyone, 2, he makes great quick decisions when running
But with slow play, everyone is anticipating his passes, he’s too well known for passing, so everyone guarding him, or near him is looking for the pass. I’d like to see the Nash that can score 50 in a game at a very high percentage. He’s a better shooter than anyone on the team,
Finally, watch Hill vs Nash, just with that extra height and (something else), Hill doesn’t make turnovers at nearly the same rate…does he?
by be-the-ball on Nov 13, 2008 3:07 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The poor shooting an aberration?
For whatever reason, the Suns just could not shoot straight last night, and when the lay-ups start rolling off the rim as well, it’s tough to make any headway. Those sorts of nights happen occasionally (we saw a bit of this in Chicago, too, although they were down 2 starters), so while it’s disappointing to watch, it doesn’t worry me so much long term.
The main thing that does concern me is the turnovers—they are just throwing the ball all over the gym right now, even in the wins. Not sure if it is poor spacing, or trying to force the ball inside to Shaq, or they’re just not sure what they are running yet, but the Suns are 25th or so in turnovers, and that is going to cost them if it continues.
by SoCalSun on Nov 13, 2008 2:51 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
shooting's been rough for a few games
Suns Re-ignited.
by ZonaFlash on Nov 14, 2008 12:17 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Turnovers!
Turnovers are definitely a huge concern. Turnovers show a lack of decicisiveness. Lazy passes, “bad idea to pass” passes, charging, and sloppy dribbling, we are seeing too much of each of these every game.
by eagleheart on Nov 14, 2008 12:53 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you mostly.
I agree with you mostly.
The problem I have with everybody and the panic over 1 game is that we wont know what kind of team this is until a month before playoffs. We have a nearly identical record or better start when compared to the last 4 – 5 years of play.
I disagree with you about TP’s rotations. I think it’s fantastic that he is showing his bench and starters three things:
1. We will replace you with somebody from the bench.
2. We do trust our bench players to play in ‘real’ game situations.
3. A 7 game series is a long series, we need 10 people to be in rhythm and game ready for the playoffs.
A good portion of the Suns players are built for run and gun. The problem is the players that want to run and gun are not running. Just based on what I feel i have seen, we end up getting way more defensive stops than we used too. Nobody runs on those stops. The only two who shouldn’t be half way down the court are Shaq/Stat and Nash/Goran on every play in which the opposing team did not score. Every one else should be pushing the court and making the other team beat you with transition.
Also much of this is based on a few games. This team is an average 51% + shooting team. Averages speak in the NBA. There will be let downs and every team even the NBA golden teams (Lakers, Spurs, Celtics) have them. I expect to see the passing get better when the team as a whole gets more comfortable with the system. I expect to see better +/- statistics when the turnovers dissipate. We probably will be a + 10 to 15 points by the end of the season.
"We didn't lose the game; we just ran out of time." - Vince Lombardi
by antiw0rm on Nov 14, 2008 8:47 AM MST reply actions 0 recs


















