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Suns beat the Pistons. Happy Birthday, STAT, Here's Your Full French

The Suns beat the Pistons 104-82 and I don't think it was that close.  There were a couple times in the second half where the Pistons started to make a run, but the Suns beat them back.  Ali was in the house again tonight.  The game was kind of like a prize fighter that decisively won the first 7 or 8 rounds and then just kept his beaten opponent at bay for the decision.

First, the bad.  There were four major disappointments.

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1.  When the team wins, you get a coupon for iced coffee and Mcdonald's -- no fries.  Who goes to McDonald's for iced coffee?  I guess it's a coupon they know won't get used.

2.  No fire pillars at the beginning of the games that I've been to (3 so far).  Hopefully, the facilities and entertainment team is pulling a page out of Porter's book and resting them for the second half of the season.

3.  No t-shirt toss.  Lame.

4.  Shaq's ejection.  I'm not even sure that's a Flagrant One.  My understanding (someone check the rulebook) is that a Flagrant One is unnecessary and that a Flagrant Two is unnecessary and excessive.  JSun2 was particularly upset because he liked hearing the diesel horn after Shaq hoops (last year, before the trade, we found Shaq-branded shoes at Payless and he's convinced the make him jump higher). 

That little dude jumped into the air and ran into Shaq's tree-trunk arms.  Stuckey then went into some sort of Japanimation-induced seizure.  He popped up pretty quick and those free tosses.  Did anyone else noticed a guy in a suit (looked like security) trying to talk Shaq into leaving the court when no one on the Suns bench could do it?  That job has to be worse than being Pacman Jones' bodyguard.

On the upside, he'll be rested for Utah.  Is he going to guard Boozer?  He can't hang with Okur on the perimeter.  Save that thought for later.

Other than Hill's new-found ability to pass the ball to the other team and the horrendous free throw shooting, those 4 things were the worst parts of the game.  One the free throws, I guess that's just what you get with Shaq and extended playing time for "hustle" and "energy" players.

The last few games are the type of thing that brings teams together.  A scuffle followed by a "gritty" victory against a spolier team (i.e., not good enough to make a run but good enough to screw things up for you) followed by a good win, without key players, against a team that has owned you in the past.  Shaq was on, too.  12 point in 13 minutes on 6 of 12 shooting.

Stoudemire is back to doing his thing.  Perhaps he finally ditched the bib along with the goggles.  I'm more impressed with the 11 rebounds and 1 foul.  He needs to be in double-figures in rebounds and has yet to do so in a season.  Barkley averaged 26 and 12 his MVP year.  Stoudemire needs to have similar numbers to get to the MVP he wants.

Other than Stoudemire, I think the 3s were the story.  Nash's back-to-back triples at the end of the half gave the Suns the distance they needed to hold off the Pistons.  I loved the one from 4 feet behind the arc right after Wallace's toe-on-the-line two point.  It was also pretty cool when Singletary was dared to take the three and he hit it.  Boris and Hill also hit important threes.  On the other side, Detroit went 3 of 13.  That zone was freaking me out with Hamilton and Sheed on the floor.  Thankfully, the Suns stayed away from that for most of the game.  I did lose about 6 months off the end of my life, though, every time the zone came out.

Speaking of Boris ... he had a great night.  Near the end of the game, that Argentinian whose name I had to look up, took some Shaq-like elbows from Boris in the post.  He didn't officially cross the Maginot Line, but I'm making the executive decision on this.  These two guys are playing well together, which is something D'Antoni couldn't do with two years of trying.

I don't remember the last time I was at a game in which the Suns thoroughly worked one of the top-tier teams in the league.  It felt good.  It was a good crowd, too.  It was pretty Detroit-heavy and the "Sheeeed" chant every time he jacked one up sure was annoying -- but satisfying as he kept missing.  JSun2 really liked the game when he was finally told that the basketball arena was the only place where he could use his outside voice inside.  It was pretty loud for a November game.

Final note, the box score has credited Nash with 2 blocks.

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woot woot!!!

Great win.

Still think the Shaq ejection was BS

OTher than that is was an amazin W

"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness

by Turambar on Nov 16, 2008 10:44 PM MST   0 recs

Stoudemire!

Youre right on! – 11 rebounds for Amare is the more important stat over the 29 points. I hope he’s starting to realize that with his athletic skills scoring will come naturally as long as his on the floor – but for rebounding he has to work his ass off. And that the Suns chances of winning it all depends more on his rebounding and defense. I seldom get to watch games due to work and the first thing i look at when i check the boxscores is Amare’s rebounds.

Hey i like iced coffee! Not as good as beer though….LOL

by toto_l2003 on Nov 16, 2008 11:09 PM MST   0 recs

Wow!

This was the win that I’ll look back on and feel great about even a month or two later. Especially with how Detroit has KILLED US!! over the last few years. I’m not foolish enough to say we own them, I don’t think anyone here is saying that. Detroit is one of the top 5-6 teams in the league. But this felt great, to see it done in a way that’s always been our weak spot!!

Shaq is really contributing, great to see!! JSun, I really liked your comment about Barkley and the 26/12 stat, and that being a good target for STAT.

If we can beat L.A. also, what a week this would turn out to be….

Nice to see Amundson do well and get so much playing time. I also don’t think it should’ve been a flagrant foul 2 on Shaq, but believe 2 things above others made this happen…

1. the landing on the floor by stuckey (what bothers me is he didn’t even try to catch himself, I think there was some strategy to this, take shaq out because they have no answer for him)
2. that on slow mo, it is clear shaq was going in a straight line into stuckey, where if he’d simply gone up, this would’ve been a flagrant 1 or simply a foul. I like Shaq, but he simply isn’t as fast as he used to be, and should’ve let that one go….but, on the flip side, it sends a message to the league, the suns are tough, between lopez, shaq, and amundson, wow! I’m not saying they’re the best threesome in the league or anything, I’m saying the Suns are tough & big for the first time in a long, long while (maybe decades). We’ve been tough before with R.Bell, Barkley, Marjlee, etc but I can’t think of 1-2+ large big 7 footers who have played for the suns like this….West maybe? Anyone?

I’ll say this, my nbalp has already been worth the full price after watching a game like tonight. I’d spend $200-$300 easily for a close seat to a suns game, to be able to watch on a large screen 98%+ of their games, for $179!!! AWESOME!!!

Terry Porter during the post game comments was super cool, when asked what did shaq say to him on the court when he (Terry Porter) was trying to get him off the court. Porter said…“That’s Lawyer / Client privileged information..” and gave a cool laugh. I really like this coach!!

I loved what D’Antoni brought to the Suns, the style, the fun watching it, but on the sideline, he often looked stupid…Porter, he’s got charisma and charm, I think he’s going to help players on this team that D’Antoni couldn’t.
 

Finally, McDonalds Iced Coffee, Vanilla, pretty good 8-9 times out of ten.

by be-the-ball on Nov 17, 2008 12:21 AM MST   0 recs

They were talking about that on TV the other night too.

Who Shaq would guard. Okur’s not an issue though; he’s been out for a little over a week tending to some family issues back home, and no timetable has been set on his return. I don’t know how much that helps, but at least he won’t be having to chase Okur around the three-point line.

by Azreous on Nov 17, 2008 12:25 AM MST   0 recs

What a win

I had to watch the box score through my cell but still, really awesome.

by hcblankscreen on Nov 17, 2008 12:49 AM MST   0 recs

Just when I thought officiating couldn't get any worse

A couple of days ago we saw Kenyon Martin get a flagrant two and ejection for a shove and an extended elbow on world-renowned flopper Varejao. Varejao flopped. No question about it. It was a defensive foul, and even being a Suns fan I felt aggrieved for Kenyon.

Imagine what I felt when I saw Shaq get raped by the referee. I’m not very good with ref names as opposed to player names, since most of the refs are horribly inconsistent, calling light fouls and missing significant ones, etc etc. That was a foul. It’s a hard foul, but it cannot be considered even a flagrant one, ever. To call it a two is fucking retarded. The disgusting standard of refereeing really pisses me off. When I see Ginobili go to the free throw line by jerking his head back and making a face after he gets cleanly stripped of the ball, or Varejao fall down when someone a foot shorter and 70lbs less nudges him, I get real pissed off. Just implement video technology into refereeing decisions, damn it.

by felixthm on Nov 17, 2008 7:21 AM MST   0 recs

They did review

that’s the problem here. They made the call then checked the tape and all three agreed on the F-2.

The league is turning pansy.

OTOH when we were the run – n – gun light weights we hated getting pushed around and wanted the games called tighter to protest our free flowing style of beautiful balletball. Just saying.

by Phoenix Stan on Nov 17, 2008 8:33 AM MST to parent up   0 recs

The Meek Shall Inherit the Lottery Picks

I think you said that, Stan.

I can’t shake the feeling that the much-vaunted tough guy trio of Fropez, Shaq and Outlaw Admundson are the Suns’ version of the Hanson Brothers.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Nov 17, 2008 8:42 AM MST to parent up   0 recs

Not sure about Pony Boy

He’s certainly an energy player and the kid can jump. Did you see that block on Prince! And the Matrix like finish from a Nash pass!

But I don’t see him as a tough guy. Just like his name-sake Pony Boy in the Outsiders he’s the sweet kid hanging around with the thugs.

by Phoenix Stan on Nov 17, 2008 8:52 AM MST to parent up   0 recs

Nash with 2 blocks!?!

The one was clear – and epic – but did anyone see his second block?

by Phoenix Stan on Nov 17, 2008 8:53 AM MST   0 recs

I was wondering this myself

Couldn’t seem to remember it either.

by Azreous on Nov 17, 2008 11:20 AM MST to parent up   0 recs

Eddie Johnson on Boris:

“Unguardable. The only person that can guard Boris Diaw is Boris Diaw.”

Zout Alors!

by SoCalSun on Nov 17, 2008 1:15 PM MST   0 recs

hah!

Window Closed? Shit, just break it then.

by ZonaFlash on Nov 18, 2008 8:57 PM MST to parent up   0 recs

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