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Open Gameday Thread #17: Heat @ Suns!

Miami Heat at Phoenix Suns, Nov 28, 2008 6:00 PM MST


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The Miami Heat

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Your Phoenix Suns
7-8 11-5

6:00 PM Mountain / 8:00 PM Eastern

Temperature: 67F, Partly Cloudy

TV: ESPN, FSAZ
Probable starters:
Mario Chalmers
PG Steve Nash
Dwayne Wade (EC POW) SG Raja Bell
Shawn Marion
SF Matt Barnes
Michael Beasely
PF Amar'e Stoudemire
Udonis Haslem
C A Big Turkey

 

For whatever reason, and despite all the kinks, the Suns sit securely 2nd in the West, a full game ahead of the Hornets, Rockets and Jazz, who each have beat the Suns this year in their only matches played.  The Blazers and Nuggs are right there with the rest of the pack and the Spurs are, against all odds, only a game behind. The Suns have a chance to gain ground today against the Miami Heat.

As the Heat come to town, they come in as a far better team than in the disastrous past two years. This should be a good game and a real challenge to come away with the George W.

Dwayne Wade, East Coast NBA player of the week this week, has added an outside jumpshot to his repertoire.  The outside shot forces defenders to gaurd him closer and gives him even more driving options.  He is averaging 27 points on 48% shooting and is nearly leading the league in free throw attempts, going to the line 10 times per game.  D-Wade looks to be handful for Bell and it should be a matchup.  I'm curious to see how much time Barbosa, Barnes and Hill spend trying to cover Wade.  Also, will we see TP work Wade on the defensive end?

Michael Beasley is a ROY candidate and second leading scorer on the Heat at 15 ppg on 45% shooting.  Although OJ Mayo and Russell Westbrook are legit ROY candidates, it's hard to argue with Beasley's contributions to Miami success.   Typically records do not matter in the ROY race, but why not?  Despite obviously talent, Mayo and Westbrook are playing on teams with crappy records.  Only Derrick Rose is contributing more on a team with a comparable record.

Before I get a ton of responses about considering records in the ROY rankings, let me say that I understand that it should be the improvement in records, rather than the actual record.  After all it's the crappy teams (OKC, Griz), the lucky teams (Bullz) and the sandbaggers (Heatest) that get the best players.  As such comparing records, or improvement in records may be difficult.   Also, part of the improvement in the Heat's play should be credited to rookie Head Coach and Pat Riley protege, Erik Spoelstra, 38, youngest Coach in the League.

As you know, Marion should be back.  He missed the last game due to a death in his family.  Shawn Marion is and was awesome, but is pitching in only 12.4 points, 8.8 rebounds and shooting a miserable 25% from 3.  Without the two or three alley-oops per game, Shawn's overall FG% has dropped from 52% to 47%.  Part of this is sucking it up for the team and allowing Beasley to get his, but that cannot fully explain the shooting slump. Shawn is a scrapper and can perform in many systems, even in the pre-7SOL era, so it's is mystifying that the Heat cannot get more out of him in this critical contract year. Other than the coach being a video freak, I don't have a sense of how good he actually is.

Meanwhile, Shaq has held steady following the trade, his FG% is rock solid at 58% and his 3 point shooting % is more consistent than death and taxes holding at 0% like a flat line.  Okay, it is a flat line.  Overall, Shaq is pitching in 16/9 in 28 mpg, in line with what he did in Miami during their best years and better than half what he was doing in 40 minutes with the lakers on twice as many shots.

Overall, I sense to mood around Planet Orange about Marion is a positive one.  Let's give Marion a break. Dish the blame to all the bad agents, and even the Colangelos who spoiled him mercilessly. Don't diss him for wanting it all. The guy doesn't deserve any boos at the game. Besides, who knows, he could be back next year.  =)

A look back at the Shaq-Matrix trade.

A look from the Miami Sportsblog

JSun has the recap, so look for the Dirty!

 

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Shaq rocking the consistent 3FG%

Love that. I wonder if his shooting from 8 Ft is any better?

As a dedicated hater of this trade, I have to say that so far this season Shaq has delivered. Probably more impressive than his offense has been his effort and movement on D. He’s never going to be or was Tyson Chandler but he is moving his feet very well coming out of the lane and denying penetration and also recovering quickly when needed.

I am really looking forward to Barbosa on Wade. Bell doesn’t stand a chance against D-Wade’s quickness but this will be a good test for LB who does have the length and speed to bother Dwayne. At least in theory.

Wish I was going to tonight so I could rock the #31 jersey and cheer Trix.

Btw – what’s up with the weather report as part of the game thread? This is Phoenix. We don’t pay attention to the weather in Phx.

by Seth Pollack on Nov 28, 2008 11:26 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

I wish

Shaq was out with a thigh bruise.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Nov 28, 2008 6:34 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

woot

fan of the game! nice :-)

shaq is playing way better than marion this season, no more tears about the trade guys

by SDU on Nov 28, 2008 6:38 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

no heart

no one cares on this team…i mean, they’ve mailed it in and it’s not even december…no fire, no hustle, no effort..

by ArizonaCactus on Nov 28, 2008 6:39 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

11-5

good grief.

It's a job that's never started that takes the longest to finish.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Nov 28, 2008 7:10 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

?? i disagree……

perhaps they look lifeless today but we have been pretty good so far this season

by SDU on Nov 28, 2008 6:40 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

i just sneezed and a picture of dwayne wade was on my monitor, i wonder if he will get free throws for that?

by SDU on Nov 28, 2008 6:58 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I burped

and Stern just sent me a text; I got a technical foul for that. something about fan interference

It's a job that's never started that takes the longest to finish.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Nov 28, 2008 7:09 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

turnovers

how many times will LB/Raja/Singletary (insert guard name) attempt a pass while out of control in the air?

by ArizonaCactus on Nov 28, 2008 7:08 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Hill is the only reason

this game is not over yet…

Suns need to learn how to pass into the post against the fronting D.

Amare needs to wake up.

At least Dragic looked much better and Pony Boy was a spark. Bash brothers are worthless tonight.

by Seth Pollack on Nov 28, 2008 7:10 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

i agree Dragic has looked good so far. 2 good passes to a baseline cutting Hill, and he played good D, too…although it was on Chris Quinn….I don’t think playing Hill at the point is a long-term bad idea, and our inability to get the ball into the post is atrocious.

by ArizonaCactus on Nov 28, 2008 7:12 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I apparently don’t understand the rules of grammar…I do not think, in fact, that Hill at the point is a good idea….

by ArizonaCactus on Nov 28, 2008 7:14 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

14 turnovers!

Holy cat shit! 14! In one half!

Suns are still shooting 54% but 14!

The funny thing is this game is no where near over. If Porter light’s em up and Amare comes out w/ fire and they stop trying to force feed Shaq the ball if the pass isn’t there then we can still beat these guys.

by Seth Pollack on Nov 28, 2008 7:14 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Amare benched

Love that Porter was willing to sit Amare and play Pony Boy. He’s going w/ the guys that are giving it and it got us back in the game until a three more turnovers late in the half.

by Seth Pollack on Nov 28, 2008 7:16 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Wade.

He looks like a varsity player against a freshman team.

by brian13 on Nov 28, 2008 7:32 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

they don’t have the heart…none of those guys look at all upset that they are getting torched by d-wade

by ArizonaCactus on Nov 28, 2008 7:39 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Take all the starters out...

play Lopez, Diaw, Admunson, Dragic, and HIll

by ArizonaCactus on Nov 28, 2008 7:40 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

This team

is a weak 11-5, I sense some pissed off, confused and angry players.
First round of playoffs and out.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Nov 28, 2008 7:45 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

look at this game...

Do people really still think we should look to trade Nash?

by brian13 on Nov 28, 2008 8:01 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking the exact same thing..

Wow…that didn’t go as expected. My eyes hurt.

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Nov 28, 2008 9:35 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

no way

Nash is too good to lose before his contract is up. There’s no way we’ll be able to find a PG even close to his ability. I’d be more worried about an amare trade, or even losing amare in 2010.

by KnowGood on Nov 28, 2008 10:05 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

My thinking is..

That we obviously need to keep Amar’e past 2010, but definitely need to try to keep Nash as well. There’s no way we will get an equal trade or free agent pickup by not resigning Nash.

by brian13 on Nov 28, 2008 11:24 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

When is it Amare’s turn to touch the ball this game?

by brian13 on Nov 28, 2008 8:17 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

and just as i type that, he knocks down a jumper and gets a steal for a fastbreak…

by brian13 on Nov 28, 2008 8:18 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

i’m often reminded in these situations of a quote from Raja that says something to the effect of “the ball finds energy.” It’s why the Heat have had the ball most of the game

by ArizonaCactus on Nov 28, 2008 8:19 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Feelings forced me

to sign up and express them with yous. Call me crazy, cause maybe its too early to call for any heads, but I think we have to get rid of Porter and make an attempt to get rid of Shaq. Lets face it, we’re a running team and cant have the lane clogged all the time. We need the freedom or at least the type of mentality of 7SOL. Shaq is doing what he needs to do, but is it really helping? Cause it seems like we’re losing too many other things along the way.

by KnowGood on Nov 28, 2008 10:02 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Crazy it is then.

I cannot believe just how panicky the fans are here. 11-6 we are and it’s the end of the world?
It’ll take time for both the coach and the players to adjust to one another. Both sides will give in some, but I have no doubt this team will find its stride.

I asked this before: How many championships did the previous style bring to us here in Phoenix?

thought so

It's a job that's never started that takes the longest to finish.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Nov 28, 2008 10:11 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

True

I’m going to erase this performance from my mind. Repeat after me:
Nash didn’t play, Nash didn’t play, Nash didn’t play, Nash didn’t play (rocking back and forth in a dark corner, hands covering my ears)

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Nov 28, 2008 10:16 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!

Oh, so that was you I bumped into in this dark corner! I had my eyes closed and ears covered as you did too…..

It's a job that's never started that takes the longest to finish.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Nov 28, 2008 10:18 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Consider it erased

Seriously, when the Suns lose, I pretend it never happened, skip ESPN and don’t listen to the radio. Oh, and I was hoping Nash might play the 2nd half since he was actually dressed out and not in street clothes, but that was not to be.

by TwinnerA on Nov 28, 2008 10:34 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I still think

Porter wanted him to rest because we were playing Miami. I thought that Nash was his plan B in case things turned out ugly. I guees I was wrong.

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Nov 28, 2008 10:41 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I went to the game and left when it was obvious we weren’t making a comeback. I was surprised that I didn’t hear any booing. It would have been deserved. When I heard Nash wasn’t playing on my way to the game, that old famililar sinking feeling set in. Amare looked like he wished he was somewhere else and I was glad when he got benched.

by TwinnerA on Nov 28, 2008 10:08 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

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