Where's the Love?
I was reviewing some of the articles today and had some thoughts about a Suns' former great and a current great that may become a former one. Is it a problem with primadonna athletes, a problme with the current management/coaching/staff or some combination of both?
Players used to come to the Suns because of the good reputation of the management. Are the Suns losing that? Was JC's "coddling" part of the problem?

I'm still peeved at the lack of a warm reception for Matrix at the game (see my post-game thread for some of that). The fans tried to give Matrix the respect and love he deserved. His introduction kind of snuck up on us in that it occurred much the same way as the other team is always introduced, and he was also announced first without much ado. He deserved more recognition from the arean, the PA guy and the organization in general. The fans all stood up as quickly and loudly as possible, but the next Heat player was announced all too quickly.
As I complained earlier, there was no tribute or anything for his return. Bush League. I'm sort of thinking that if this was any indication, he was not getting any love/respect from the front office. At least he knows what the fans think. From the second link below, he said:
Miami forward Shawn Marion said of his Phoenix return's ovation, "It was mixed. I gave my heart and soul to this city and that team over there. I think they knew that and felt that and they gave me a standing ovation. I love Phoenix."
Then, there's this story (from yesterday) with Amare complaining. Here's Coro's regurgitation of the report. Actually, this is really tame compared to all the Raja Bell displeasure he's been reporting on. Did Coro get caught off-guard with the comments? Has he decided not to report on the divisive stuff all of the sudden? To me, the answer as to why he has not reported on this like he did with Bell may shed a lot of light on the situation.
On to Amare, he needs help to become "the man" on any team. Bigs cannot bring the ball up the court and set themselves up. There's just a fundamental difference in getting big men going than getting the smalls into the game on offense. There is some truth to the sentiment that he needs to get himself going, but there is more truth to the sentiment that he needs his team to set the table for him. One of the most painful things I saw last night was Amare at the top of the arc trying to create off the dribble. Against Marion. That cannot end well.
Interestingly, Bell seems to be fueling some of the fire by saying this is Shaq's Team. I think the team is too Shaq-centric, but it's not his team. Only a cynic or a rabble-rouser would make that statement. Bell made it to the national press, so guess which camp I'm going to put him in.
He's probably not going to New York, having pretty well burned his bridge with Mike Antoni, but he's told Screamin' A. Smith he's keeping his options open. This from a guy who has fired 4 publicity teams already in his pro career. Perhaps the best way to keep Amare is to convince him that Phoenix is the best way to maximize his profile for his off-the-court ventures.
I'm not hearing the Marion "woe is me" stuff but I am hearing a little bit of Marion's complaints about getting the rock. What are they going to do -- willing to do -- to keep him around?
Here's where I get back to management. Colangelo worked hard to keep quality guys around. I'm not getting that sense from Kerr, e.g., "Anyone can be traded." The question really is, though, "Is that a bad thing?" I don't know. Colangelo's attitude got us overpaid and past-their-prime Tom Gugliotta, Penny Hardaway and Danny Manning (he wasn't too far past his prime, but he didn't give us very many good season). When Colangelo was taking care of his guys in the 70s and 80s, the game was different. Do you realize that Diaw's $9M a year contract is higher than the Chuckster ever made in a single year as a pro?
My point (or, really, a question) is whether "taking care of" your players is destructive. Do they need more "tough love"? How much "tough love" chases away quality players?
Why are so many star players (seemingly) upset about their situations? I'm pretty convinced it's not about being in a position to win a championship (except for Kobe) because they're wasting a ton of energy talking about possibilities (LeBron, Amare, Barkley back in the day) instead of working on the present.
At least Marion was honest about PT, being the star, and his desire (or lack thereof) for a tile as the ultimate goal.
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I don't know if Amare can BE "the man".
It’s becoming more and more apparent that he’s not a complete player, more of an offensive specialist who is the greatest assisted finisher in the league. If our offense involved a lot of pick and rolls and weakside cuts off of Shaq, than yeah, maybe he could be our go to guy on offense, but that’s not our offense anymore(unfortunately), and Amare still isn’t all too adept at A)creating his own shot, and B)doing anything with his back to the basket.
Add that to the fact that he apparently doesn’t give a damn about rebounding, playing defense, creating for others and being a leader on the court and in the lockerroom….I’m becoming throughly disenchanted with my favorite player.
He’s had flashes of “complete games”, like that Indiana game, but that’s it. So far(even throughout his career) he’s proven to be more of a super role-player. I know that comment is going to make a lot of people mad, but honestly, he doesn’t contribute anything but buckets, and if he can’t even do that in our new offense, than yeah, I have no problem calling him a super effective/efficient role-player, because he’s certainly not a “franchise player” on the level of Bosh, Wade, James.
Wade grabbed the bull by the horns tonight, whereas Amare just let the game sail by. He complains about this crappy system we’re running with merit, but that means he should work even harder to contribute in other areas, and he should position himself in great position to score. Just play with some passion, man. Play with some desire. Grant Hill’s out there running the floor, crashing to the ground, going after loose balls, trying valiantly to stay in front of his defender, mixing it up inside, and this super athletic 6’10 beast can’t do that?
It’s a damn shame.
And I don’t buy the argument that he can ‘improve’, because he’s in his SEVENTH SEASON! He’s not going to improve in the other areas of the game, and that’s what’s really keeping him from leaping to that next level, to the level of the true franchise players.
Nash doesn’t play defense, but the man tries; that we can all acknowledge. He’s our leader, he takes over games when he needs to, he gets everyone involved, he’s our compass in the lockerroom and on the court. HE is our franchise player, not Amare, and that’s worrisome, because he’s 400 years old. Most of all, he never takes a game off, and he never sulks on the court and vanishes. That’s all I want to see from Amare; some spark, some fire, that doesn’t directly result from force-feeding him on the offensive end. True franchise players can dominate a game without scoring a single point; Nash, Duncan, Garnett come to mind.
Help me Amare Stoudemire; you’re my only hope.
/Leia
by rsavaj on Nov 29, 2008 10:29 AM MST 0 recs
Its not panic
Its simply knowing that you’re team is heading down the wrong path. When Shaq came over, we were told that it wont be his team. Shaq’s job was to just fit in where he’s needed. Instead, we’ve seen it become shaq’s team, and the whole team is suffering. Take shaq out of the picture, keep all the rest of the players and what do you have? You have a team that is built to run with the ball and shoot from anywhere on the court. We’re not a post-up team. The squad we have was never meant to play that style of basketball. Sure Shaq will get his numbers. He has to; he’s the team now. But Nash no longer has the opportunities to toss lobs to the hoop for somebody (a la amare/marion). There’s no dribble-penetration; and if there is, its too crowded and the ball ends up being turned over.
When I said it before, it was looked at as fans being in a state of panic, and its too early in the season to panic. No way! Its early enough in the season to fix a few, dare I say, mistakes tht we’ve made.
Defence should always be on evrey player/team’s mind. But Our defence hasnt gotten better, while our offence has gotten much worse. Even though it didnt win us a title, the run-and-gun suns could get a lot closer than this type of team.
Porter is a great guy/coach. But if you want to coach a team like the spurs, go to the spurs. This is the Suns. We’re historically a small-ball, up-and-down the court, fast paced team. Dont change what works! Even when the suns were at the closest we’ve been in franchise history (‘93 finals vs bulls), we were the #1 scoring team. I do believe that we could(’ve) win/won a championship with the 7SOL mentality.
If the players want to win, they know what it takes to get it done. Its not like this team never played with eachother before. Go out there, and do what you’ve done in the past. Get on that highlight reel again, only on the giving end like you used to be. I hate seeing the top 10 plays of the week, and the suns in 4 on the recieving end. You’re embarressing me!!!!
by KnowGood on Nov 29, 2008 11:26 AM MST 0 recs
Amare no MVP, Raja no all defense, Porter a nondescript coach
That game was pitiful. The turnovers in the first quarter were almost comical. What I thought funny was that thye Suns kept trying to do the same thing, with the same result. Everyone must share the blame. Amare gets a D not for defense, but for his foolish attempts at challenging Marion and the other Heat perimeter defenders. Raja gets an F because he was exposed by Wade to be a defensive fraud. Porter gets a D because he is probably the worst coach I’ve seen at in-game adjustment.
The record is deceiving, because you do have good players, and the schedule has been cream-puff-like. Granted, they beat Detroit, but other than that, do they have a quality victory? They lose the Pacer game unless Amare has the game of his life. They lose to OKC unless Porter inexplicably lets Nash be Nash in the 4th quarter. Can you guys point to a stretch where Porter’s coaching put us into position to win? He is not a big-time coach. I can’t believe Kerr couldn’t find anyone else.
My brother still insists Kerr is a plant from the Spurs to destroy our organization. He may have sommething there. Here’s what Kerr has done:
Let KT go, Kurt eventually joins Spurs.
Trades for Shaq, then Spurs lure Suns into believing shaq is the difference maker, then SA blows Suns out of playoffs
Kerr spends all his energy this summer going after a second round pick, spends gobs of money and eventually signs him to more money than Lopez, and now he is not even playing regularly, and when he does, he looks lost.
Draft Lopez, then put him on the bench (Speights looks good in Philly)
Two cast offs (Singletary and Amundsen) are playing ahead of Dragic and Lopez.
April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?
by Hawk42 on Nov 29, 2008 4:00 PM MST 0 recs
Dragic Haters
It’s clear that Dragic has been given specific instructions not to mess up. It seems the only play he is continuosly told to run by Porter is the “hand off the ball to Grant Hill at the top of the key and get out of the way” play. It’s tough to do much when that is all you are told to work with. It’s true his shots have been pretty far off due to either just sucking at shooting or lack of confidence or both. The “great” thing Dragic is supposed to be bringing to the Suns is his slashing ability to get to the rim ala Tony Parker. He ain’t getting a chance to do that when his assignment when running the offense is to hand off the ball to Grant Hill.
by eagleheart on
Nov 29, 2008 5:23 PM MST
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Dragic
There has to be some reason why Singletary is playing ahead of him. My guess is Sean is outplaying Goran in practice. And Sean is allowed to do more than just “hand off the ball to Grant Hill”.
I saw Dragic on two successive possessions against Miami. The first one he Immedately jacked up an awful 3 when he arrived at the top of the key. The second time, he dribbled the ball around for a while, then tried to get it into the post where it was fumbled and stolen.
I think Steve should hold a clinic for these guys where they drill on nothing other than getting the ball in to the post where the big man can do something with it. (not throw it around Shaq’s ankles or behind Amare).
I fault Kerr for not getting Steve Blake.
April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?
by Hawk42 on
Nov 29, 2008 9:53 PM MST
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Dragic
he indeed looks shaky but as they said on the TeeVee, having Sean in front of him will help light the fire. I thought he was more aggressive and that 3 he took was wide open. He has to take that shot.
He’s not going to be good this year though and Sean so far is playing with much more confidence.
I want Sergio!
Blogging Suns Basketball
by Phoenix Stan on
Nov 30, 2008 9:11 AM MST
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Some random thoughts:
I think it’s pretty simple. Singletary plays with more poise and confidence. How many rookie PG’s do you see out there playing like all stars? How many PG’s Dragic’s age from Europe do you see playing like all stars?
I didn’t watch the majority of the Heat game, but I did see Singletary play pretty good in the first quarter. I cannot tell what happened after that.
I will say it’s pretty clear Raja cannot be counted on as a lock down defender anymore.
Listen, we can’t do this makeover or whatever you want to call it without buy in from the prior regime’s players. Our guys are used to 7SOL and they they were built for it. I get the feeling we’re just playing things out until contracts expire or certain deals present themselves. I think Steve Kerr would be very happy to finish the season an 8 seed and be done in one in the playoffs. At least he has something under his belt to show the fans. “We did make the playoffs!?”
It’s typical to hear negative fan, player, and media response. I think planet orange is starting to resemble the Laker nation or whatever they are called. You’re on the bandwagon when the team is good, you criticize when the team is bad even though common sense should tell you that your product isn’t very good.
Given the offseason, the new coach and players, etc., WHAT DID WE ALL EXPECT?
by RD74 on Nov 30, 2008 10:20 AM MST 0 recs
I might disagree in a few ways
But agree in others. I just feel that the negative critizism comes from two place:
1) We were REALLY good for quite a few years
2) We have the talent to be so much better than we are
Long time fans can remember many losing seasons and all different coaches. It just hurts when you look at a roster with the roster and know the talent is there but dont see it shining the way it has in the past and the way it should now.
I like seeing Singletary out there over Dragic. I think he has a nicer shot, is faster off the dribble, and can finish at the hoop more better than Dragic. The problem is neither are that great when it comes to handling the ball. But rookies are exactly that…rookies. Not everyone can be a Nash or Kidd.
Bell is still a great defender; just not the best. Of course it wont look so great when he’s being ripped up by Wade…but c’mon…thats Wade we’re talking about. Raja cant go clotheslining every player he guards.
Point is: I think all the negative reactions are just fans (I being included) upset knowing we should be playing MUCH better than we are. Too many turnover, poor shooting (47% is alright from any other team, but we’re known for shooting the lights out), and a lot of miscommunication on the floor. Real fans will always stick by their team, even in the darkest of times. And we’re the Suns, and we’ll always come out tomorrow. I’m going to go punch myself for even making an Annie reference as lame as that one. punch
by KnowGood on
Nov 30, 2008 1:08 PM MST
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True
Long time fans can remember many losing seasons and all different coaches. It just hurts when you look at a roster with the roster and know the talent is there but dont see it shining the way it has in the past and the way it should now.
Right on the money man..
"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"
by PanamaSun on Nov 30, 2008 1:36 PM MST 0 recs

















