Nets win in Phoenix as Suns self destruct
This one hurts. I am going to have to go deep into my well of patience and chill tonight.
After coming out with a great first quarter where Amare was super aggressive on both ends and the Suns only had a couple of turnovers the game went down hill from there. I am not sure if it was the 21 total turnovers and the something like 31 points they turned into or Amare's disappearing act in the second quarter followed by his boneheaded move to get himself tossed after complaining what was clearly (another) legit traveling call.
Amare listen. When you jump stop after catching a pass you have established a pivot foot. You can not then move both feet before bouncing the ball. That's traveling. You might get away with it sometimes but if they call you for it (twice) and you already have one T you really need to keep your mouth shut. You need to not take a quarter off and you need to play like the superstar you want to be (paid as).
But really the turnovers are just baffeling. Barnes and Amare with 4. Hill, Diaw and Nash with 3. Come on. And it wasn't any one thing. Sure, the post passes against the fronting D was a few. But Boris making lazy passes. Hill making boneheaded plays.
Its like when you are trying not to think of an elephant and all you can see in your mind is an elephant.
At least Bell didn't have a bad game. Other then trying a couple shots that clearly are not in his skill set, he at least played harder on D and made his open looks.
But while Bell was playing well, Diaw reverted back to Doris and Grant was a non-factor.
Ugh...this one just hurts. 21 turnovers!
But hey, the Nets played well and Devin Harris is making Mark Cuban the king of betting on the wrong point guards.
Best news of the night. The last time the Nets won in Phoenix the Suns went to the Finals.
Chew on that and try not to think about elephants. Or turnovers.
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My only comment is...
No comment.
No, I have to say something. Whats the problem here? It like you purposely let the Nets catch up and win. The Suns are a very talented team. But their best talent is allowing the other team to play their best basketball. Players are always having career nights. I dont mind if you dont want to play any D (thats a lie) but, damn, you had better make you’re open looks and handle the ball. There’s far too many turnovers going on.
Ya know, I’m just going to stop now before I end up breaking something.
by KnowGood on Nov 30, 2008 9:35 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
A complete meltdown
Grant Hill was horrible tonight…3 turnovers, and constantly getting into bad positions on the floor…the only two players without a turnover were Lopez and Raja…
what I want to know is, what are we going to do against any team with a penetrating point guard? they are torching us, and will continue to do so until we can learn basic pick-and-roll defense. I still think Singletary is too small as adefender and would like to see if Dragic can do anything against these point guards from a defensive standpoint.
Overall, this team is a mess. I mean complete lack of focus in the fourth quarter. part of it is that they are pressing too hard, part of it is their inability to play defense…most of it is the turnovers…i don’t sense any of it getting better any time soon.
by ArizonaCactus on Nov 30, 2008 9:45 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Sigh.
That’s about the nicest thing I can say right now.
by Azreous on Nov 30, 2008 10:42 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Pathetic
The turnovers killed us again, that and Devin Harris (must have been a career high for him or close to it). Oh, and that boneheaded Amare getting T’d up twice and ejected sure didn’t help. I knew when Gary what’s his name was talking like we were going to win (Phx was up 94-90) that we weren’t.
by TwinnerA on Nov 30, 2008 10:56 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I really
really really really really re-heally can’t stand when Gary Bender does that. It feels like a jinx every damn time. When he does it with like six minutes left in the game and somewhere around a five point lead, I think I want to strangle him, which isn’t a nice thing to think.
by Azreous on Dec 1, 2008 12:12 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Horrible.
It’s pretty easy. Clean Up the turnovers and you will win the game. Devon Harris 47 points. Guards continue to have career nights against the suns. Do they play any defense on the perimeter?……The 1st quarter was solid. The ball moved across the court, they had low turnovers, open shots.
My opinion to trade Diaw does not change….The suns play their worst basketball when he is on the court. He was torched by everyone under rim, passed it when he should have just took the shot. He turned the ball over 3 times in 23 minutes (that one with like a minute to go made me cry), but didn’t do anything make up for his sloppiness. Did I mention he makes 9 million dollars.
Next 3 games hornets, mavericks, and jazz.
Time to suck up and start playing some solid hoop…..
If you look at the box score you would of thought they won the game…..oh wait 21 turnovers.
by cabezonication on Nov 30, 2008 11:45 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Trade back for the Matrix
Doris Meow and Barbosa for the Matrix:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=51021662167&teams=211414&te=&cash=
by Aluminum Foyle on Dec 1, 2008 8:09 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Or buy him for cheap next year.
No one wants a 3 point chucker shooting 25%
Window Closed? Shit, just break it then.
by ZonaFlash on Dec 1, 2008 11:51 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Just wait.
When the Suns start playing the better teams in the league.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Dec 1, 2008 7:09 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
In the past, the Suns have always stepped up, worked out the kinks, and kept the ball rolling after games versus the elite teams, mostly the Mavs. I dont understand why, but its like the Mavs bring out the best in us…unfortunately, we bring out the best in every other damn player/team.
by KnowGood on Dec 1, 2008 9:15 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Beyond the Box Score
Even worse than the 21 turnovers seemed to be the timing. Doris threw away 2 of this 3 on awful passing during the crucial tight time in the fourth.
I don’t blame STAT on the ejection, as I think both Ts were inappropriate. Having said that, he knew he had one … Although he “disappeared” in the second, I don’t mind that because he had strong 1st and 3rd periods and was working on a good 4th. During the first, however, I was thinking, “Why doesn’t he come out ‘on fire’ trying to be ‘the man’ when Nash isn’t playing?”
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on Dec 1, 2008 7:54 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
1.- From bad to worse.
2 .- Changes in the roster, ya
3 .- Sarver, spend money and make a champion team.
4 .- Diaw trade, I know it’s difficult but we must try.
5 .- As the old Hubbie Brown: 2 teams, but in this case each team with a different style.
6 .- We need a young point guard, athletic, with good shooting. If anyone knows any, it says.
7 .- Another year and another round draft wasted.
8 .- Where are Steve Kerr and David Griffin? Did not know George Hill?
9.- Am I the only one who thinks the only team capable of beating Spurs is Lakers? What envy!
10.- Why Spurs always make good choices in the draft?
11.- What weather at Phoenix? Here we have almost 2 months with rain
by matrix7 on Dec 1, 2008 8:30 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
There's some talk
from the fans wanting a trade. I’m one of them. But I dont know who I want to trade away.
Obviously we want Marion back. That man gave us 8-9 fantastic seasons. All he wanted was a contract extention (which we couldnt give him until we had the money, but Miami isnt giving it to him either). We need his solid D, we need his speed, we need his ability to drive to the rim AND shoot the 3 ball (even with the ugliest shot in NBA history, its relatively effective).
Trade away?
Everyone is calling for Diaw. And to an extent I want to agree. Diaw is a very talented player. And I would hate to see him leave before he can play at his full potential. But do we have the patience for it? This is Thunder Dan’s project, and h has never let us down in the past.
Barbosa wouldnt be bad either. But we’ll most certainly lose much needed speed coming of th bench. Not to mention he’s a very emotional person, and to be traded away from friends in the same season as losing your mother, he’ll be devestated. I mean, Barbosa cried when we traded Starbury.
I dont think I would mind Steph coming back to the team playing for the vet min and coming off the bench. He’s still very much a solid player and could be one damn good backup PG.
by KnowGood on Dec 1, 2008 9:26 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Grasping
I have to say I am a bit shocked. You want Marion and Starbury back? Because we lost a couple of games? People were calling for their heads while they were here. Remember Marion the Locker Room Cancer? And do you really want to pay $20m to Starbury to be the back up PG? Really?
Assume we were to get Marion where does he play? Who’s going to back up Amare? Do we move Amare back to Center and then Shawn at the 4 and Barnes/Hill at the 3? Haven’t we seen that tried before?
The only deal I am slightly intrigued by would be to somehow move Bell and get back Sergio Rodriquez. The salaries are way off but somewhere out there is a way to make that work with another player or two thrown in.
Besides, I love Boris Diaw. He had a crap of a game last night for sure but he’s not the only one. He’s been playing much much better this season and would be nearly impossible to replace. I always thought they overpaid him and rushed into that extension (thank you D’Antoni) but he’s also too valuable to let go unless you get some serious talent in return. And right now there’s no question that Diaw at $9m is better value then Marion at $17m.
Blogging Suns Basketball
by Phoenix Stan on Dec 1, 2008 9:47 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
not what I'm saying
There is no way I’ll ever want a trade for Steph. I’m saying that if his contract ends up being bought out (the situation in NY is nutty) then I’ll accept signing him for a veteran minimum. I, honestly, dont even think hell play NBA once he’s done with the Knicks.
As far as Marion goes. I think it was just egos and business getting in the way. His on-court presence is missed. I understand that we really dont have too much of a place to put him now, since we have Barnes and Hill. We dont even need to think about a trade for Marion anyways. His contract is up after this season, I believe. If he wants to go back to phx (or anywhere else) he has the opportunity.
And I’m certainly not dissing Diaw, not at all. I think he’s a great player, and if he improves on his weaknesses he’ll be one seriously amazing all-around player. He’s a Point-any-position. I have a big love/hate relationship for him. I’ll watch him make stupid turnovers and curse him out. But 3 posessions later he’ll make te exact kind of play I want out of him, earning praises.
This has nothing to do with losing a few games this season. I was PISSED about the Marion deal last season. But I also knew it was going to happen because the locker room wasnt happy. I’ve been a fan all my life, so I’ve seen a lot of players go that I didnt want to see go (ie: Kidd, Barkley,etc). And I cant be too pissed about losin any chance to win a title. We’re 40 years deep into the franchise with only one trip to the finals under our belt. Losing is something we’re quite used to. I’m just glad we’re playoff contenders still.
I just think we had a better chance before the Diesel/Marion trade (Banks doesnt matter). But who knows. Like I said in a pevious post under another thread. Maybe my longing for Marion could be cured once Tucker gets on the court. I see great potential in this guy.
by KnowGood on Dec 1, 2008 11:09 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, two trips to the finals.
But still.
by Azreous on Dec 1, 2008 12:33 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok - well
if Steph would come for the vet min then maybe…but still that guy isn’t exactly a stable presense so I would have to give it some thought.
As for Shawn. I loved Shawn. Huge fan of Shawn’s and I hated the trade and still think it was a big mistake.
But I don’t think making another big trade is the answer. Sure, if Shawn wants to come back next year for reasonable money then I am all for that. But I don’t think he will and we certainly shouldn’t trade Diaw and Barbosa for him to come play for the rest of this season. I don’t think we are a better team after a trade like that.
Blogging Suns Basketball
by Phoenix Stan on Dec 1, 2008 1:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Harris was pretty much unstoppable, but the Suns let that one get away
The only real positive to take from this one was the strong start, and not to let the Suns off the hook, but Devin Harris was flat-out out of his mind last night. I’m thinking of a pull-up jumper late, where he started a drive on Nash to create space and then stopped and just canned it like there was nobody else on the court with him—nobody could defend that one. Gary Bender commented about how he made it look so easy and that was spot on.
Bad, bad timing for Amare to meltdown last night, and while I usually don’t notice or just ignore the officials, those were some pretty weak techs. Nash also clearly robbed on the 3.
I’m all for patience and the long-view, but 5 weeks into the Terry Porter era I’m not liking what I am seeing. I really didn’t know what to expect when they hired him, but I was thinking it was going to be adding a little more defense to the “it sure ain’t broke” offense. What I’m seeing is very little (if any) improvement on D, and the offense is just hideous. The turnovers are killing the team, period. Oy.
by SoCalSun on Dec 1, 2008 10:51 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Phoenix Stan
regarding Marion but not Marbury. If Knicks pays him, only cost the minimum, just over $ 1 million.
Diaw is a player with talent and make statistics easily, but it is not an aggressive player and that does not benefit the team. He can do very good numbers in all the areas of the game, but seeing him play you think he has played poorly.
Who’s going to back up Amare? That is the question. Someone like McDyess? Yes, but we do not have that kind of player.
Who’s going to back up Nash? Neither Sean nor Dragic. Diaw? Why not?
Sergio Rodriguez was a good player for D’Antoni, but I do not think for Porter. The night of the 2006 draft was a night of joy and disappointment; I would have liked to see him in Phoenix and all that love basketball here in Spain, too.
Sacq came to help, not to be a star, but apparently was not resigned to being in second place and this is hurting the team.
I expect a reaction from the coach and technical staf
by matrix7 on Dec 1, 2008 11:04 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I don't know what'll be more entertaining:
The Suns when they pull their collective heads outta their behinds or our fans in full panic mode until then.
It's a job that's never started that takes the longest to finish.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Dec 1, 2008 11:24 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
We have 3 main problems.
Sarver-one of the worst owners in the league.
Kerr-one of the worst GMs in the league.
Porter-a resoundingly below-average coach.
Get rid of any one of them and you’ll see an improvement, however slight.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Dec 1, 2008 12:15 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
haha
I dont mind Sarver. He seems more like a fan than an owner. I remember him once saying he’d pay money out his own pocket if they went over the cap space and had to pay luxery taxes. I like seeing him down there rooting like a fan rather than being like that prick Mark Cuban.
Kerr – somebody, I forget who, said it best. Kerr is a spy sent over by SA to destroy us from the inside. Haha, I dont believe that, but I will say that I have not liked any of the moves he’s made since coming to the team. If I’m goign to call for heads, its his first.
Porter – I like Porter. I just dont think he fits our style of ball. Not with this type of team anyways. Maybe another team, another time.
I also dont think this is fans in a state of panic. Its just we’re passionate about our team and want to discuss the reasons we’re not playing the way we know we should be. Whether its staff, players, or whatever. Its our jobs as fans to worry when bad and praise when good. Nobody is jumping ship. We all know there’s 82 games in the season. If anything, its just wanting to fix problems now while there’s time for adjustment during the season rather than mix things up later. I know this is a good team. I know this is a great team, actually. I just get so frustrated when I see them play like they dont even care, like they’re not even trying.
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