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Open Gameday Thread - Suns vs Bulls

Phoenix @ Chicago



Phoenix Suns



vs.

Chicago Bulls
4-1 2-3
6:30 PM Mountain / 8:30 PM Eastern
TV: My45 HD
Probable starters:
Steve Nash PG Derrick Rose
Raja Bell SG Ben Gordon?
Grant Hill?
SF Luol Deng
Amare Stoudemire
PF Tyrus Thomas
Robin Lopez C Drew Gooden

Official Suns Game Notes

 

The Suns coming off the Amare Show against the Pacer's face a Chicago Bulls team that seems to be in state of chaos according the senior NBA Blogger at Blog a Bull.

They are a team lead on the court and on the bench by a rookies and seem to be dealing (poorly) with two disgruntled self-imagined super stars in Deng and Gordon. The only good news is that Vinnie Del Negro's back hair issues are less likely to create personal distress in the bitter cold of the Windy City where he can layer up in fuzzy sweaters and bullky parkas.

 

Star-divide

Like the last two teams the Suns have faced, the Bulls lack an inside scoring presense and seem to be dependant on the various individual brilliance of Rose, Gordon and Deng to put up points.

This will test the Suns perimeter defense which will likely employ the penetration denial scheme we've seen from Porter and force the Bulls to hit from the outside. With Shaq on the floor the zone will also be used and just like it was effective against a young Blazers team it should work well here too.

In several games now we have seen teams get hot from the outside against the Suns early but there are very few teams that can sustain a high enough level of 3 point shooting to outscore the uber effecient Suns offense that gets easy buckets in the paint and gets to the line.

There are several open questions for tonights game that will surely become clear as the day progresses:

  • I assume that Matt Barnes will not return for this game after leaving the team to attend to the birth of his twin tattoed boys. This leaves the Suns thin on the wings against the team that is strongest on the wings
  • I will be surprised if Shaq plays much tonight with a game against the Bogut Bucks tomorrow and with the Bulls lack of a true banger down low
  • The Bulls have started Thabo Sefolosha but there are signs that Ben Gordon may get the nod after scoring 31 in their last game (a loss to the Cavs)
  • AmundSun or RoFor? This is another game where Lopez may not be the best choice against the Chicago mobile bigs (Gooden, Thomas, Noah and Nocioni) but OTOH it's way too soon to predict what Porter will do with his rotating rotations

This is another very winnable game against an Eastern Conference team that seems to be struggling with a lot of issues.

It should also be fun to see the leading candidates for ROY and MVP on the same floor.

Who's your early season ROY? Here's the stats.

[Note by Phoenix Stan, 11/07/08 1:46 PM PST ]

Update on Shaq - I got a Twitter from him (crazy huh!) saying that he was sitting out tonight.

Check out this preview on the game from this Bulls Blog

And finally Matt from Blog a Bull answered some questions for us about this game:

1) Tell us something about Derek Rose that we don't know and we will be surprised to learn about him and/or his game.

Not sure if it's a surprise anymore, but he's already good. The consensus coming into the draft was that Beasley would be NBA-ready, while Rose would need time to adjust. But Rose is already the best player on the Bulls, and a component of his game that is a surprise is how aggressive he is with his shot attempts, especially in transition. 

 
2) How is your new coach doing? He was best known around here for being the Suns executive most in need of a back shave so I was surprised when he got the nod from the Bulls. What's the initial feeling in Chi-town?

When Vinny Del Negro came in, he said all the right things. Said that he believed in the young talent here (this was before Rose) and even targeted some of the same players as a member of the Suns front office, namely Sefolosha and Noah. Said that he'd concentrate on putting the players in a position to succeed rather than forcing them in to his vision. But he seems to have fallen into the traps of the previous regime, benching young players early and going small, either 3-guard lineups or Nocioni at the PF, or both.

In his defense, the young players are NOT playing well. But I had hoped VDN would give them more rope, even it was to hang themselves. The Bulls need to know if these guys can play. As far as schemes, the Bulls (especially Luol Deng) are having trouble getting comfortable with VDN's sets, but they do seem to have more of a commitment to getting out on the break, which is a nice change. 
 

 3) Does having a local in White House improve the Bulls chances of making the playoffs? For example, should we all be worried that the full resources of the federal government (CIA, NSA, EPA) will be used to benefit the President's home team?

Perhaps, but even after all that help it wouldn't be enough for this group. I will say this for President Obama: he suggested after the Bulls won the lottery that the Bulls take fellow Chicagoan Derrick Rose, and that's looking like the right decision.
Poll
Rookie of the Year so far is...
Derrick Rose
59 votes
Michael Beasley
4 votes
O.J. Mayo
3 votes
Rudy Fernandez
32 votes
Other
4 votes

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Hack-a-Stern

Why don’t the Bulls and Suns agree to foul each other’s woefull foul shooting centers. Make it a total free throw contest. I say Shaq wins. My prediction? The Suns win, 36-18. Shaq goes 36-68 from the line, while woeful Ben goes 18-65. The game ends at midnight Chicago time, and Stern leaves on a trip to Thailand.

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on Nov 7, 2008 11:07 AM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ben Wallace is long gone.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 7, 2008 11:29 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, sorry

I had just watched the Bulls-Cavs game. It would be funny, though.

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on Nov 7, 2008 12:59 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Any early thoughts on Del Negro's coaching job?

Mine: Weak, as expected for a rookie coach.

Suns Re-ignited.

by ZonaFlash on Nov 7, 2008 11:23 AM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Del Negro stuggling, but that is a flawed team

The Bulls have been missing some reliable low-post scoring at any level for several seasons now, and they did nothing to address that this year—as the Chuckster would say, “that’s a donut team—big hole in the middle”. Combine that with the Ben Gordon “gotta get mine contract year” and the general turmoil of their front office, and it’s not surprising they’re struggling. Suns need to repeat the New Jersey game and get it done quick so they can rest up and get the road sweep.

by SoCalSun on Nov 7, 2008 11:33 AM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it's not just post play

they don’t even have big man that can reliably finish inside. Thomas and Noah have to get better, it’s that simple.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 7, 2008 11:42 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

damn, you have to be pretty disappointed with what's happened to the Bulls

Did anyone back in the day say, “Trade Curry, keep Chandler”?

If its any consolation, I was at a bar in southern Indiana and I had to ASK for the Pacers game to come on, but the Bulls were already on several large screens.

Suns Re-ignited.

by ZonaFlash on Nov 7, 2008 3:09 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Shaq Out

Reports are that he’s taking time off tonight to be ready for Bogut tomorrow … unless someone else’s girlfriend/fiancee/wive/surrogate mother decides to rudely give birth ahead of schedule

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Nov 7, 2008 1:08 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Phew

and I thought I was going to have to endure 20+ minutes for Aaron Gray…thank your old bones Shaq!

"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."

by Ugh It Live! on Nov 7, 2008 2:22 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

to triplets.

anything less would be completely ignored.

Suns Re-ignited.

by ZonaFlash on Nov 7, 2008 3:05 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TP needs a TO

Might be a good idea to call a timeout and regroup real quick, Coach.

by Black Jesus Disciples on Nov 7, 2008 7:20 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's a bad night...

…when even Tyrus Thomas won’t miss from the outside.

by Black Jesus Disciples on Nov 7, 2008 7:31 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

watch the game!!!

fellow suns funs i got the good link just try it…..http://www.stoogetv.com/player.html

if not just go to stoogetv.com channel 2

by einonpaulyn on Nov 7, 2008 7:53 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ok........

exactly like the NO game, except in this case we were missing two starters.

Just an ugly game.

Not too worried though.

We’ll shave those turnovers down…hopefully soon.

"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness

by Turambar on Nov 7, 2008 9:49 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So uh, yeah...

Out rebounded 33-47, 12 or so first half turnovers, and sloppy play all over the place. Amare managed to put together a decent game with his jumper MIA, but aside from him, RoLo, and Amundson, everybody played like shit. Nash, Diaw, and Hill were pretty much sleepwalking the first half and LB looked lost (anyone else feel like he should be running off more screens like those being set for Bell?).

At least it was entertaining listening to those Basketball gurus that call the Bulls games.

“Gee, that Diaw guy sure seems like he put on some weight.
Yeah, he really lost a stop or two since last season.
Maybe it’s because he was in Brazil tending to his sick mother.”

by hcblankscreen on Nov 7, 2008 10:34 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Please forgive Stacey King, he knows not of what he speaks of.....literally

To his credit, Diaw does look chunky (and his hair is weak), but King is afraid of foreigners and grouped Boris and Barbosa together. Don’t be offended, you’re just not Chicago Tough like Stacey.

"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"

by Ozzie Montana on Nov 7, 2008 11:49 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

All is forgiven

But just because of your Sunny signature.

by hcblankscreen on Nov 8, 2008 12:13 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow. 6'8 French pastry mistaken for a skinny little Brazilian guard

I’ve no idea why Shaq needs time-off to prepare for Bogut. Bogut blows big time. He was a complete waste of a first pick, and probably even worse than Marvin Williams at no.2. The Jazz and Hornets lucked out so majorly it isn’t even fair. Now they’re two of the top contenders in the WC. Thanks to the best 2 PGs in the league, gift-wrapped from Milwaukee and Atlanta. I’ve been hating on Bogut since I saw him in the internationals. He’s fat, he’s weak, he’s slow, he’s clumsy. He has post moves resembling a Dwight Howard without the athleticism. He is mediocre on defense. He has no determination. He has no jumper. He blows big time.

Anyone notice how poorly the Suns rebound whenever Shaq is down? Since the trade last season, the Suns have been relying too heavily on Shaq’s big body to box out opposing bigs. A French pastry, already relatively short for the PF position, just doesn’t cut it compared to the hulk in the paint that Shaq is. He may not be half the 20 million dollar man he used to be, but he’s still a quality big. We need him =(

by felixthm on Nov 8, 2008 8:44 AM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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