Steve Kerr's Itchy Trigger Finger of Change - The Day After
With the benefit of time (about 21 hours which is like 13 weeks in internet time) let's look back at what we've learned about this latest edition of Steve Kerr's Itchy
Trigger Finger of Change.
Putting a winning NBA team on the floor is MUCH different then assembling a fantasy league roster where having the best player at each position is the key to victory and bragging rights around the shuffle board court.
JRich is an upgrade over Bell and is a better player then Diaw. But I remain skeptical that losing Boris in order to move Bell's bad attitude and declining play is worth it. I know many Suns fans are glad to see Diaw and his contract go but I still maintain that he does things that teams need to win even if they don't show up in the box score.
Boris's big mouth
Losing Diaw's depth, versatility and bet winning had me down but this quote at least makes me question that. Unlike Raja, Diaw had managed to keep his mouth shut (unless none of the media bothered to ask his opinion) and play well this season. But then he dropped this little French bomb on the way out the door:
"I'm not surprised because of the way we've been playing," Diaw said. "I can understand they would try to change and go a different direction.
"It was the perfect place for me a couple years ago and it changed. It didn't fit my game any more.
"I could do what I was asked to do but I wasn't used on the court to use all of my skills and my versatility. I was used to be a basic 4. From a coaching standpoint, we weren't fitting into the system.
"It definitely was not as fun. I wasn't as exciting for the fans. It's not as fun for everybody. I'll always remember Phoenix with Mike (D'Antoni). We went from a winning team that was the most exciting team in the league to a half-winning team that wasn't exciting at all."
Clearly he was disgruntled and not buying in. If Kerr in this move cleared out two big locker room chemistry spoilers in return for two guys that will energize the team and and return some joy than maybe I need to rethink this trade but big questions still remain.
The Suns don't have enough balls to share
Boris and Bell averaged 14 FGA while JRich averages 16+ per game. That's not bad until you consider that according to 82games.com Bell and Diaw were only on the court together 17% of the time.
The Suns are adding Jason's high volume shooting to a starting line up that is already struggling to share the ball between Amare (14 FGA) and Shaq (10 FGA) playing their desired inside out. The rest of the perimeter guys (Nash, Hill, Barnes and Barbosa) combine for 40 FGA. That's a total of 80 attempts (with none left for Lopez, Dragic , Tucker, Amundson and the point guard to be named later) for a team that is averaging 75 per game. What we have here is a failure to calculate.
The easy answer is that everyone will share and put winning first. It might work here but it sure didn't in Denver (AI and Melo) and New York (Zebo, Curry and Starbury).
Small Ball Returns
Going into this season there were two main structural problems with the Suns roster. Lack of depth behind Nash and a thin front line behind Shaq. With Diaw and Lopez backing up the big men we had either the option of playing a rookie big minutes or playing Diaw and Amare together. We've seen that so far this season Coach Porter has chosen (wisely) to go with the later.
Robin will be a very solid NBA player for a long time and he's already shown improvement but as a rookie he tends to make rookie mistakes that teams like the Nets can afford but a team like the Suns cannot. So that left the smallish Diaw playing Center next to Amare which left the Suns vulnerable on the glass but did provide an offensive advantage against most teams. The plan B when Shaq was out was small ball and with Shaq averaging 28 mpg and missing a few each month that's a lot of small ball.
Now with Diaw gone the Suns will either have to play AmundSun and Amare together basically replacing Diaw with Lou (a serious drop off in talent) or go with more time for Rookie Lopez. We will likely also see two wing rotations with Amare at the five and some combination of Hill, Barnes and Dudley at the 3 and 4.
That's even smaller ball and will leave the Suns terribly undersized for the type of rebounding and interior defense that Kerr and Porter talk(ed) about.
Dudley might be all that and a bag of peanuts but at 6'7" and 225 don't let anyone tell you he's a power forward which is exactly what both Kerr and Porter have implied in recent interviews about the trade.
The good news is that when asked about his preferred style of play by Suns.com JRich reported that he's ready for the Suns:
Suns.com: What style of play is your game best suited for?
Richardson: Running, but I can play the half court a little bit, too. Running fits my game perfectly, but I can also play the slow tempo, if needed.
That's nice and as others have commented would have been super if this trade happened in December 2007. The problem is that this Suns team isn't a running team. At least that's what Shaq and Amare think. Amare certainly can't bring himself to run back and cover his man on defense so he's clearly bought into the half court game.
So what kind of team is Jason coming to? It doesn't appear that anyone knows at this point.
Who's running the show?
It goes without saying that finding a backup for Nash has been a priority ever since D'Antoni's signing of Marcus Banks. Both Kerr and Porter agree that Barbosa is at best a combo guard and have also admitted that Dragic is no where near close to being ready to back up Steve. Few people at this point think he ever will be.
The Suns will use their open roster spot to sign a mythical veteran point guard for this role but how many of those do you think are sitting around waiting to dust off their shoes and come play for the minimum? Gary Payton? No. More likely we will see Mighty Mouse Damon Stoudamire. Or worse.
Other lesser factors
Barbosa has rebounded well from the loss of his mother and is rounding back into form as a solid 6th man scoring threat. and his defensive effort is noticably improved.
Playing behind Bell he was a great change of pace and it was easy to split minutes between the two. LB is at 22mpg is already down from 30mpg last year. That drop is a combination of his personal situation this season and mostly from his rightly being taken out of the point guard rotation.
If JRich is getting his 35mpg that drops LB down to 13mpg and leaves no time for Tucker unless Barbosa goes back to backing up Steve. No one wants to see that.
Is that enough minutes for a guy like Barbosa? No. It seems almost impossible to see him staying on this team past the trade deadline.
Dissing Nash
I heard Paul Coro on the radio this morning reporting that Nash found out about the deal while in LA via cell phone from a friend. He was angry and upset and apparently made a comment about not buying into this. Probably he will cool down and get on board but you would think that Kerr or Porter would have called him directly.
So let's recap
Kerr traded two guys that weren't happy and probably needed to go. Certainly Bell did and I can live with moving Diaw's contract. In return though he doesn't address either of the team's roster needs and in fact makes both of them worse (unless the vet point guard we sign is an upgrade over Rookie Singletary).
We did get an exciting and athletic shooting guard but it's not clear that he helps defensively and there are HUGE questions about how the shots will get spread around keeping all these ego's happy. Having five all-stars in your starting line up sounds good but there's a reason championship teams have role players.
There's only one other GM I can think of that has been this quick to make major moves in order to appease restless and impatient fans and try and provide a quick fix for a non-contending team. He's no longer reeking havoc in New York.
Is it odd to be thankful that Sarver doesn't have Dolen's deep pockets to prevent an even bigger mess?
Maybe it will all work and I am excited to see what JRich can bring. I am sure most of us have lost track of this talented player since he disappeared into the black hole known as the Charlotte Bobcats.
I will welcome him to Phoenix and adjust my thinking and give Suns v3.0 a try but it is getting difficult to buy into a team that doesn't have the attention span of my teen age son.
[Note by Phoenix Stan, 12/11/08 12:15 PM PST ]
I couldn't find much blogging from the Bobcat perspective but Hardwood Paroxysm takes a look and thinks that MJ got hosed. That's good I guess. He certainly owe us one or 17. Matt also has a great take on Diaw + Larry Brown. Check it out.
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Well said Stan.
And my biggest gripe about this trade is and always will be this: if we’re reverting back to small ball/uptempo, why trade Marion? Why ditch D’Antoni?
Why?
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Because Marion wanted to go? He didn’t want out because we weren’t playing small ball, he wanted out because he felt like he wasn’t getting enough attention.
D’Antoni ditched small ball just as much as Kerr did, in pushing for the Shaq trade.
by underxthebridge on Dec 11, 2008 3:10 PM MST up reply actions
JSun Richardson
I just like the ring of that.
In regard to timing, you cannot really argue “Why did they squeeze out Coach D and then get JRich.” The trade wasn’t available last December. And Mike D would have stormed out of USAC if his two best buds were moved out.
And, yes, Amare runs — just not back on defense.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
lol your last line is spot on
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Funny about Amare
I have been preaching patience w/ him but have been slowly coming around to the idea that we could move him while the moving is good. I was counting on Boris to take his starting role and then using Amare’s salary cap space to fill the hole behind Steve and/or Shaq.
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 11, 2008 1:39 PM MST up reply actions
That's kinda where my head was at.
We could have gotten some serious value for Amare.
Amare for Richardson/Wallace/Dudley, roll
Nash
Richardson
Wallace
Diaw
Shaq
Barbosa
Barnes
Hill
Amundson
Lopez
or maybe Amare for JJ+Pachulia, Amare for Smith+Horford, Amare for any two good starters really. Amare for Rip+Sheed…
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
PT
Why do you say that Barbosa would only be playing 13mpg? Bell was averaging 32mpg this season and J-Rich is averaging 35mpg. Even if Richardson still averages 35mpg, that moves Barbosa from 22mpg to 19.
My guess though is that Richardson will play 32mpg at the most.
i have a wild guess
hill is still a pretty good playmaker/passe/initiatior. i suspect barbosa will play the Pg POSITION but essentially being an off-guardm while hill will direct the offense.
Once upon a time the Suns got out on the break... and along came Steve sucKerr
More PT for Fropez
The email Steve Kerr sent me says they’re going to look for another bakcup point guard for the 13th spot.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
I do love me some Fropez.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
No way the will move Barbosa
He has been playing really well lately, I don’t think they will move him. I think you are putting way to much thought on the minutes distribution. If this team is going to be a title contender…everybody has to know their role and play. I bet LB gets his minutes…as long as he keeps playing well.
I’m trying to look at the glass half full here. There are a lot of questions that will indeed be answered but we just have to sit back and watch.
IMHO…I’d say its an upgrade.
"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"
Hope so
I think more than anything right now I feel jilted. I trusted what they said they were trying to do. I thought it was a good plan. And they bailed at the first sign of trouble.
I already divorced that chick
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 11, 2008 6:06 PM MST up reply actions
If anything, Kerr's looking at Barbosa's recent play as improving his trade value.
Since he seems hell bent on destroying the last vestiges of D’Antoni’s presence here, I’m assuming that Barbosa is next, probably for a big man.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
yes, the purge must continue - Everything must go, including Barbosa.
until the last vestiges of colangeloism and dantonyism are swept away.
Window Closed? Shit, just break it then.
With 25%?
Not exactly a landslide :)
Clearly though most people like the trade but many do not.
Remember that everyone loved the Knicks getting Randolf too. And Francis. And Marbury. I could go on…
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 11, 2008 8:00 PM MST up reply actions
To be clear
JRich is none of those guys. I expect him to do well. I just don’t think the Suns are better prepared for the playoffs now then they were yesterday. Not yet anyway.
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 11, 2008 8:01 PM MST up reply actions
It is a landslide
You asked a loaded question trying to divert attention. You asked what the suns still need to fix — trying to address something that the trade didn’t address and wasn’t meant to address.
And one out four told you to pound sand even though you listed 7 options. 25% out of 7 is well over half if there were only two options. That’s lawyer-math. Trust me.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
Your lawyer math has me scratching my head :o
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Really
Close the polls. Even you agree with me and I didn’t have to do fancy lawyering talking stuff. JSun did all the talking forme.
The Suns are better prepared for the playoffs because of the upgrade at the 2 spot. It’s an improvement.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
I'm backing Stan, not that you care
I’ve been lurking at this blog all season. I have been following your thoughts ever since we eliminated you guys last year because I thought it would be a transitional offseason when it became clear that 7SOL was going out the window.
Coming into the season, I thought the Suns were going to be a fringe making the playoffs team or the odd man out that didn’t get in. Shaq’s, unexpected to me, production so far this year had me thinking otherwise. The Suns have been right in the mix in the West, with everybody behind the team that shall not be named, while struggling to adapt to a new system. To me, that boded ill for the rest of the West and good for the Suns.
This trade confounds me. Jason Richardson is a volume shooter. He’s taking 16 shots/game this year which is almost a career low. In contrast, Amare’s 14.1 shots per game currently leads the Suns. Since I read your blog so much, I’m aware that the Suns are already having issues about who they should run the offense through and who should be shooting. How does acquiring a volume shooter help the Suns? Richardson is not known for anything besides his scoring.
I don’t Richardson is going to provide you the extras that you need to win. You have points, you have a big man in the middle. You need grit. You need defense. You need hustle. You need ball movement. This is the first year he has played for a coach who valued all these other things a guy can contribute and the team traded him after he played 14 games. That tells me that he doesn’t provide those things. Larry Brown may be a crazy control freak, but the man knows what it takes to win basketball games. If he doesn’t think you have it, he’s probably right.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Dec 11, 2008 8:31 PM MST reply actions
Nailed it.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Shaq's production?
Yeah, it’s up, but is that going to get the Suns into the playoffs? Will he make it through 100 games? I was one of the biggest Shaq Kool-Aid drinkers last year, but I’m not willint to bet on it. Go to Shaq when he’s hot on offense and when he’s not, let him rebound and clog the lane on D.
The move is a monumental improvement at the 2-guard. JRich will have to shoot less and become more efficient. We’ll see if he can do that. Playing with Nash, Stoudemire, et al. will probably “placate” him enough to only take 10-14 shots a game (or less). Bell was taking about 8 shots a game — on average, at least 4 of those were ill-advised. JRich taking Bell’s time and Bell’s shots will can only be an offensive improvement.
On running the offense — it’s not going “through” Richardson. The discussion inside-out, Shaq, Amare, Nash, running or whatever is irrelevant. The Suns are adding a finisher. The two discussions do not intersect other than the hope that Richardson can the shots in any type of offense.
Will he take to this or pout when he doesn’t get the ball as much? Who knows. I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt, though.
You need grit. You need defense. You need hustle. You need ball movement.
Agreed. We just got rid of the two players with the least in the first three of those departments. And Bell had the least in the “ball movement” department, too. JSun Richardson can’t be any worse.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
It’s funny you mention Shaq’s production. I couldn’t believe the Suns made that trade. I thought it was terrible. But his production and liveliness has been good. Will it last? Who knows? I don’t think this trade doesn’t have anything to do with that issue either. If he goes down, you guys are still thin up front regardless. Health for old teams is always an issue!
You still have Amare. He is the least in those four. You’re crazy if you don’t at least give Bell credit for being gritty and hustling. I’ll also bet that he really wasn’t that bad in ball movement or defense. It think Diaw was one of your better supporting players because he certainly wasn’t a me first guy.
When you have a guy like Richardson who is used to a LOT of shots, as I said his 16 is a career LOW, you have somebody who when passed the ball will want to isolate, take his man off the dribble, and work off a screen. I just don’t see that working well for you guys. If J-Rich is willing to take the role of spot up shooter that Q-Rich had, he may be fine. If he is trying to create his own shot then you have a another guy who isn’t passing the ball to Amare. A lot of players have a hard time making the adjustment to a supporting role where what they get offensively is changing game to game. Marion didn’t like it and he was a finisher extraordinaire. Amare doesn’t like it. Shaq doesn’t like it. I don’t think you can assume a player like J-Rich can just become more efficient. Hell, even Nash who is one of the great competitors in the game and very unselfish was having a hard time adjusting to not having the ball in his hands all the time.
It’s not always about placating or pouting, it’s about what you are good at and what you have trained yourself to do. I don’t expect the Suns intend to run the offense through J-Rich. However, he may not know anything else. If what you do is take your man off the dribble and take shots, that’s what you do.
But, I’m just another person with an opinion and there is nothing like the cold hard facts of the rest of the season to let us know the truth of it. At least the truth in my eyes. Is that lawyer-ish?
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Dec 11, 2008 10:28 PM MST up reply actions
Sorry this thing is so long. In an attempt to make sure I write clearly and respectfully, since I’m visiting an enemy blog and I’m usually neither, I ended up spending something like half an hour writing a damn comment.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Dec 11, 2008 10:43 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks for the effort
Your points are well made even if you are from the evil empire
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 12, 2008 11:31 AM MST up reply actions
On Bell
I’ve been down on him for over a year now for his refusal to embrace his “Bruce Bowen Jr” rule (i.e., play tough D and only shoot when wide open from behind the arc). He’s lost his grit. He’s lost his toughness. He was playing for a guy (Porter) that was supposed to be running a team to Bell’s ACTUAL strengths (as opposed to his self-imagined delusional strengths) and all he could do was moan that he wasn’t shooting enough.
Ask yourself this:
What if Bowen went to the local San Antonio paper telling everyone that Pop wasn’t using him properly because he wasn’t getting enough shots? (For purposes of this hypothetical, we’ll assume the typical Sp*rs fan can read)
Mmmmm ... Guinness
I’d like to answer this, but I’m not sure what it says.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Dec 11, 2008 11:04 PM MST up reply actions
I knew it!
Although, it’s probably more impressive that you hooked up the thingy that turns your talking into typing on the computer.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
On Diaw
He will be missed. He was actually improving this season. However, his contract is a huge weight. He’ got to be the lease productive per-dollar player in the NBA.
More than anything else, his failure to fulfill his obvious potential has killed Suns’ fans over the last two years.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
Boris’s contract is ridiculous, but you might be surprised. I posted this list on our side during our annual “should we trade Tony posts”. I bolded some of my faves whose $/stat numbers are lower.
Kevin Garnett $24,751,934
Jason Kidd $21,372,000
Jermaine O’Neal $21,372,000
Kobe Bryant $21,262,500
Tracy McGrady $21,126,874
Stephon Marbury $20,840,625
Allen Iverson $20,840,625
Tim Duncan $20,598,704
Shaquille O’Neal $20,000,000
Steve Francis $18,364,480
Dirk Nowitzki $18,077,904
Paul Pierce $18,077,903
Shawn Marion $17,810,000
Ray Allen $17,388,430
Rashard Lewis $16,447,871
Michael Redd $15,780,000
Pau Gasol $15,106,000
Andrei Kirilenko $15,106,000
Yao Ming $15,070,550
Amare Stoudemire $15,070,550
Mike Bibby $14,983,603
Vince Carter $14,724,125
Zach Randolph $14,666,667
Gilbert Arenas $14,653,466
Ben Wallace $14,500,000
Kenyon Martin $14,431,818
Dwyane Wade $14,410,581
Chris Bosh $14,410,581
Carmelo Anthony $14,410,581
LeBron James $14,410,581
Joe Johnson $14,232,566
Lamar Odom $14,148,596 (frighteningly similar #’s to Diaw)
Elton Brand $13,757,844
Rasheed Wallace $13,680,000
Wally Szczerbiak $13,275,000
Richard Jefferson $13,200,000
Dwight Howard $13,041,250
Larry Hughes $12,827,676
Raef LaFrentz $12,722,500 (too easy)
Peja Stojakovic $12,528,000
Steve Nash $12,250,000
Jason Richardson $12,222,221
Carlos Boozer $11,593,817
Erick Dampier $11,553,000
Tony Parker $11,550,000 (he just sucks)
Tyson Chandler $11,400,000
Brad Miller $11,375,000
Andre Iguodala $11,300,000
Marcus Camby $11,250,000
Baron Davis $11,250,000
Samuel Dalembert $11,138,564
Chauncey Billups $11,050,000
Monta Ellis $11,000,000
Al Jefferson $11,000,000
Zydrunas Ilgauskas $10,841,615
Richard Hamilton $10,812,500
Josh Howard $10,445,000
Andre Miller $10,233,333
Troy Murphy $10,126,984
Kirk Hinrich $10,000,000
Josh Smith $10,000,000
Antawn Jamison $9,923,285
Bobby Simmons $9,920,000
Manu Ginobili $9,905,248
David West $9,862,500
Eddy Curry $9,723,983
Jason Terry $9,696,000
Nene Hilario $9,680,000
Emeka Okafor $9,537,500
Gerald Wallace $9,500,000
Chris Kaman $9,500,000
Tayshaun Prince $9,500,000
Luol Deng $9,385,000
Kevin Martin $9,260,335
Caron Butler $9,249,980
Al Harrington $9,226,250
Mike Miller $9,128,575
Antoine Walker $9,052,460
Mike Dunleavy $9,000,000
Mehmet Okur $9,000,000
Darius Miles $9,000,000
Andris Biedrins $9,000,000
Boris Diaw $9,000,000
Cuttino Mobley $8,925,000
Quentin Richardson $8,685,500
Jamal Crawford $8,640,000
Kenny Thomas $8,562,500
Mark Blount $8,513,916
Rasho Nesterovic $8,400,000
Maurice Williams $8,353,000
Corey Maggette $8,275,862
T.J. Ford $8,275,000
Adonal Foyle $8,162,275 (was bought out last year)
Andres Nocioni $8,000,000
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Dec 11, 2008 11:15 PM MST up reply actions
btw, Tony is about 45th and Manu is about 64th on the list. Nash is about 42nd.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Dec 11, 2008 11:17 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, but
All we hear about is salary cap stuff and luxury tax stuff … and Boris was killing it. There were/are a lot of players on this squad that have pretty big contracts. Seems to me like some of those guys were signed to big contracts to be “the man.” Boris got $9M a year to be the number 7 player in the rotation.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
True. A lot of these guys signed to these contracts in the hope that they would become the man. In the cases of Parker and Manu, they did. Not so much with Boris and a bunch of others.
You always have to evaluate a trade for all the elements. The salary implications of this trade I do NOT understand. Yeah, Boris had 3 more years after this one. But Bell only had one and Richardson has two. So, the Suns get cap relief in that 3rd and last year, but pay more in the 2nd year. (I’m not counting this year as a year).
The Suns have been selling draft picks, but have been adding salary with both the Shaq trade and this one (with the exception of that 3rd year). Sometimes it’s like a can’t read or do math when I’m trying to understand what they are doing. Things don’t add up or make sense.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Dec 11, 2008 11:33 PM MST up reply actions
Good salary situation
Bell’s and Boris’ contracts are about equal to JRich’s. JRich costs about $3M more in the year after Bell leaves, but then Boris on on the books for another $9M after JRich. That single year in which JRich costs more, there are a ton of players coming off the books, including the Big Cap Killer.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
I always saw this as a plus
Having a guy with this kind of talent coming off the bench and getting solid 25mpg is a plus. Its depth. I was seeing some really cool stuff with Amare, Nash and Boris running the 3 man game on offense.
And as I’ve said about 12,000 times Boris was a VERY under rated defender that didn’t need the ball to contribute but also could do a LOT with the ball.
When you look at the list of contracts there’s not many guys that can do that. It certainly isn’t a great contract but its no Wally Szerbiak either.
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 12, 2008 11:42 AM MST up reply actions
The depth was an asset
Was he overpaid? Yes. Was he an asset? Definitely. In a few years, there will be more money to go around, and I like that.
We agree as to his qualities and we agree that its a shame to see him going when he was finally starting to play effectively.
He was just such a frustration that I’m glad to be rid of him.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
On Ball Movement
Part of the reason the ball can move around is because creates space due to his offensive threats.
Bell was chucking up way too many shots.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
Yeah, if Bruce was taking 8 shots a game. Um, he wouldn’t be taking 8 shots a game because he would be on the bench.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Dec 11, 2008 11:19 PM MST up reply actions
On JRich's "Need" to Shoot
You might be right, but I’m more than willing to take that risk.
He’ll get his chances to be a spot-up shooter. The bonus is that he can actually run (not just talk about it) and he can, if necessary, do more than spot up outside the arc. It’s a huge upgrade.
He may not fit in. It may be a bad trade. I may die tomorrow. Today, without the aid of hindsight, this is a great trade.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
Great trade.
I think we will see a lot of a j Richardson – Barbosa backcourt. During nash’s breaks. This guy is a serious talent and has never been on a really good team. Winning can bring a player to the next level. We also have another roster spot to fill, so more help may come.
I posted some highlights of Richardson on my site:
by cabezonication on Dec 11, 2008 11:36 PM MST reply actions
I still belief the biggest concern is how many basketballs there are to go around....
Amare can easily take 15FGA, Shaq another 12, LB is primary a bench scorer, Nash is too good a shooter not to take at least 10 shots a game, J-Rich is an athletic scorer, and I don’t see how they’re going to distribute the ball such that egos are placated and abilities are utilised.
Good for J Rich.
J Rich has always been a good player on a bad team. This move will be good for him.
by CanadianBlazerfan on Dec 12, 2008 6:35 PM MST reply actions

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