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Excited About the Richardson Trade. Don't Be a Downer

I was at John Wayne Airport yesterday waiting for my flight back when Bluntman called me and asked, "Have you heard?"  He didn't know I was out of town and working so he figured I was all over the internets.  At first, I thought he was lying.  Then, I thought I was dreaming.  This morning, I was thrilled it wasn't a dream.

Forget J-Rich, at its worst this is addition by subtraction.  Unfortunately, I don't know what I'll do with my favorite Boris avatar. 

I poked around the internets, interested in the general reaction and it largely confirmed my thoughts.

Star-divide

The pessimism is still there in that the Suns' holes at backup PG and backup bigs still exists.  True, they need help there.  However, they upgraded.  No doubt.  Not a question.  Sure, it would've been nice to land Johan Petro or whoever Stan's got a man-crush on this week, but it wasn't there.  That's like arguing that you're against the war in Irag because the US should be doing more in N. Korea.  It's either a good idea or a bad idea, but pointing out other weaknesses is a red herring.

I like this trade even better than I did last night.

The national press thinks Kerr made a steal, but I'm more interested in what the locals think.  Here are some links:

Queen City Hoops says, "WTF?"

The Suns new player Jared Dudley?! What the deuce? I head to ESPN...and it gets worse: Suns score Cats' Richardson in big trade. Am I awake? Is this real?

Bobcats Planet says, "Hey, Raja Bell clotheslined Kobe once.  That's got to count for something."  In what can only be called a delusional attempt to remain sane, the blog continues with

Lets look at the toughness and defense issue first. Raja Bell has long been known as a lockdown defender.

Too bad they haven't been watching him play recently.

Rick Bonnell of the Charlotte Observer tries to answer the question, "Huh?!"

This writer figures a change was needed and he doesn't mind moving Richardson.  I can't say that's a bad opinion.  Same sentiments here, with a positive endorsement of Dudley thrown in.

I'm not worried -- at all -- about the alleged "slip" in defense from Bell to Richardson.  I'm not worried about losing a power forward averaging less points and rebounds than appearances on thedirty.com; waiting for Boris to return to his 2005-2006 form was about as eventful as leaving the light on for Jimmy Hoffa.

Here are some numbers for you.  This year, Richardson has been averaging 18.7 ppg, 4.1 rpg and 2.6 apg.  Bell and Diaw COMBINED were averaging 17.9 ppg, 6.7 rpg and 3.4 apg.

The Suns now have 3 legit long-range bombers, each shooting over 40% from the arc (not too sure about LB this year, but that's where he's been historically) who are more than spot-up shooters.  The Suns have become more athletic, have added hustle and really cannot get much worse defensively with this move.  The Suns are out from under Doris' bloated contract, and, let's be frank, Bell wasn't really earning his $5M a year either.  And I've got to imagine that Richardson will just be happy to be on a good team and will stop whining.  This was the guy that, a few years back, took out a full-page ad in the local paper apologizing to Warriors' fans for not making the playoffs.  [Update: Here is a link to the ad with thanks to Stuck in LA]

Does this elevate the Suns past the Lakers?  No.

It gets the Suns closer, much closer, though.  Maybe this year, they'll be able to get out of the first round of the playoffs.

 

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I'm a Jazz fan living near Charlotte.

And I have to say that I was very surprised to see Suns fans dissing this deal at all. Richardson is one of my favorite shooting guards to watch in this league and he will bring it every night. But I honestly think that Jared Dudley is as good or better for the Suns than both Bell and Diaw. He is a glue guy that will do whatever is asked of him and he prides himself on playing solid defense. He will be a perfect complement to Amare and Shaq. You guys should be happy. Before this trade I was thinking that the Suns were who I would want the Jazz to face first round in the playoffs, but now I think it will have to be Dallas, NO,or Houston. Anyway, you guys will love J-Rich and Dudley. Also, J-Rich is shooting a gaudy 46% from 3, but he also shoots some of the most 3 pointers in the league, so he is a volume and an accurate 3 point shooter. Those are rare.

The more you try to erase me, the more that I appear.

by clarkpojo on Dec 11, 2008 11:42 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Dudley

Even if Dudley is all that and more – the Suns already have that guy. He’s named Matt Barnes.

Nice role player but wrong role for us

by Phoenix Stan on Dec 11, 2008 1:33 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

too many wings

Hey Stan, do you think there’s another trade with all the wings? How bout LB and Dudley for Sergio and Travis Outlaw?

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on Dec 11, 2008 3:10 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Why Trout?

I would love to move LB for Sergio but we need a big as well. Sergio and Fry for LB and Dudley makes sense for us but there’s no why the Blzrs would need Barbosa with Rudy and Roy already covering the 2.

I am thinking about guys like Craig Smith in Minnie. Or what about Big Baby from the C’s?

We desperately need a big.

by Phoenix Stan on Dec 11, 2008 3:15 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep!

Listen, I was shocked. I had no idea what was going on…this just caught me off guard. At first I felt bad for Raja and Boris who were part of something really special but let’s be honest with ourselves: Raja was not happy here and the organization was not going to wait for Boris Diaw stick his head out of his ass and play at his full potential.

J-Rich is a very good and I mean very good offensive player. He can shoot 3s, He can drive to the basket, he can dunk and elevate, he will spread the floor. Now, imagine a guy like this playing along with Steve Nash. I mean look at Matt Barnes for Christ sake!

I don’t know anything about Dudley but if he is half of what people are saying…then this trade is indeed a steal.

I just hope it doesn’t take long for the players to get used to one another and I’m hoping Porter can get the rotations right.

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Dec 11, 2008 11:52 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

He’s not adept at driving to the basket. He doesn’t have the greatest handle, so he’s much more of a long range bomber/dunk if he’s close to the basket kind of guy.

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Dec 11, 2008 12:18 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

And he’ll command a lot more respect behind that three point line than Bell.

by underxthebridge on Dec 11, 2008 12:23 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe, that might be true.

But is Richardson’s 3 pt prowess really worth 8 million dollars more?

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Dec 11, 2008 12:52 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think anyone can answer that until we’ve seen the results :)

by underxthebridge on Dec 11, 2008 12:54 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

JRich comparison

Sounds like Marion without the rebounding

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on Dec 11, 2008 3:12 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

About the "alleged" slip?

Even if Raja was getting torched, he’s not nearly as bad as Richardson on D.

And now we only have two consistent guys off the bench: Barnes and Barbosa. How isn’t that scary? Amundson is a great hustle guy, but he’s not skilled, and Lopez is raw as hell. Don’t get me started on Tragic.

This is far from massive win. Richardson isn’t JJ-esque; he’s not that adept at creating his own shot. He is NBA Jam: dunk like crazy, jack up treys like crazy, no in between.

That power forward on thedirty.com was outplaying Amare pretty often over the past 10-15 games; check the plus minus numbers.

Worst of all, this just proves what a lying scumbag Kerr is. He wants to “improve” our defense by trading away Kurt Thomas, Shawn Marion, Raja Bell and Boris Diaw. He wants to shift in a more defensive direction, so he ditches D’Antoni for Porter, and our offense and our defense are much worse. Then he flips and says, “WE BELIEVE PART DEUX” and trades for an all offense player.

I’d understand this trade if this happened February of last year. Then you’d roll with Nash/Rich/Hill/Marion/Amare and just go run and gun like crazy, but it doesn’t make any sense to trade your best run and gun weapon for a half court guy(Shaq), ditch your run and gun mastermind for an incompetent as hell halfcourt coach(Porter), and then trade a chea 45% from the arc shooter and a player who with all his flaws was turning around and producing off the bnech and had turned into our second best post defender for super RIcky Davis(Richardson).

I’m sorry if I’m being a “downer”, but I can’t see how this noticeably improves our team. I really can’t.

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Dec 11, 2008 12:17 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Trying to respond

I think you may have some good points, but I really can’t get past the assertion that Diaw has been outplaying Stoudemire. My eyes keep getting pulled back to that sentence. I cannot focus on anything else. Anyone else think that Diaw had been outplaying Stoudemire?

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Dec 11, 2008 12:34 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha, it's an incredibly unpopular sentiment.

But the #s don’t lie. In our last like 13 games or so, Boris had contributed more Win Shares than Amare, and his plus minus numbers have been better.

Not saying he’s a better player, but I am saying that he was on the upswing.

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Dec 11, 2008 12:50 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

individual +/-

is a pretty useless stat.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Dec 11, 2008 12:53 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

It's certainly not comprehensive.

But it’s simply a tool that evaluates the team’s performance with that player on the court, and with that player off the court.

So I should probably rephrase it. Maybe Boris wasn’t outplaying Amare, but the team was playing better with Boris on the floor than with Amare on the floor.

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Dec 11, 2008 1:19 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Just think how good the Suns would be if

They had kept Rudy Fernandez??

Thanks, Blazer fan

2-4 the who

by 24thewho on Dec 11, 2008 12:45 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

…and Joe Johnson.

…and Sergio Rodriguez (You’re welcome Blazer fan).

…and Luol Deng.

…and on and on and on.

by underxthebridge on Dec 11, 2008 12:58 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

…and Shawn Marion.

…and Mike D’Antoni.

…and Brian Colangelo.

by brian13 on Dec 11, 2008 1:02 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

…and Rajon Rondo

by Aluminum Foyle on Dec 11, 2008 2:50 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

you killed him right there

Window Closed? Shit, just break it then.

by ZonaFlash on Dec 11, 2008 8:05 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

and Nate Robinson!! I’d be happy if he was our backup point guard right now. But we used him to get Kurt Thomas (and then used two #1’s to get rid of him..).

“With the XXth pick of the 20XX NBA draft, the Phoenix Suns selects… 3 million dollars!!”

by gadogry on Dec 11, 2008 1:13 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Interview at Suns.com

http://www.nba.com/suns/news/qa_richardson_081210.html

What should fans know about you?
I’m an exciting player. I do everything to win games. I have a lot of energy, I can dunk and shoot the threes. I give everything I can on the court. I’m not trying to take anyone’s spot. I just want to come in and do what is needed. I’ll fill the void where it is needed. Whatever it is – defense, scoring, rebounding, whatever it is. I just want to help the team to win and get deep in the playoffs.

I always love hearing players talk like this. This is the type of attitude that helps win championships. The question is though, will that type of talk show on the court.

by brian13 on Dec 11, 2008 1:13 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

AZCentral.com

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2008/12/11/20081211nashonline.html

“I hope it’s not a situation where they are just trying to blow it up,” Nash said. “I think we still have got a chance to be a really good team. There’s time to incorporate the new guys.”

I’m thinking Kerr needs to sit down with Nash and discuss his plan so that that thought isn’t floating around in Nash’s head.

by brian13 on Dec 11, 2008 1:25 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

This Nash thing

could be a really big deal if he doesn’t get right

Otherwise, why not trade him too. I am sure we could get Steve Blake and some $

by Phoenix Stan on Dec 11, 2008 1:43 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Screw Steve Blake

Construct some sort of 3 way trade that sends Nash to TOR or NYK, where he wants to go, and gets us Baron Davis.

WE BELIEVE REDUX!!

:(

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Dec 11, 2008 1:55 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

The dude is hurting

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Dec 11, 2008 5:42 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and Rajon Freaking Rondo! He was ours too, right?

by gadogry on Dec 11, 2008 1:21 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, and we traded him for Rudy Fernandez.

Who we then traded with James Jones for cash.

Sarver is the antichrist.

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Dec 11, 2008 1:34 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Talk About Fantasy League Stuff

Pretending that actions on the continuum of time do not affect other choices.

You can’t assume that because you’ve got x, y and z now you would’ve had that same set of assets right now if you had changed other players in your “portfolio” There’s no way Coach D could’ve had Marion and JRich on the same squad. Even if he hadn’t been traded, what are the odds he’d still be here? Was there a chance in hell that this would’ve happened last year, pre-Big Trade?

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Dec 11, 2008 2:00 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

No joke

It’s like that Bill Simmons article months ago, haha.

We’re at where we’re at, for better or worse!

by underxthebridge on Dec 11, 2008 2:01 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with JSun

Bummed a bit about losing Raja, but he was looking like he was a few days past his expiration date. Boris, he of the tantalizing skill set, was more of a problem of the production to salary ratio. This maybe a bit of a step back defensively, but the defense hasn’t looked all that good anyway.

I like this trade; one of the ESPN articles put it nicely—this team needed to get younger and faster, and I’m pretty sure that just happened. J-Rich is a top tier offensive 2-guard just entering his prime age years. As JSun put it, you can’t judge this trade by pointing out other flaws. Those draft picks that were sold are long gone. The team is what is is now, and I think this trade just made it a better one.

by SoCalSun on Dec 11, 2008 3:22 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

JRich

Don’t know about being out of the shadow of Boris’ bloated contract. Isn’t JRich signed through ’11? 6 Years $70 mil? Not sure of the loading of the money, but that averages $11.7mil per year.

by KJ7 on Dec 11, 2008 3:29 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

His agent is a weirdo.

Jason’s salary:

12,222,221
next year: 13,333,332
year after: 14,444,443

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Dec 11, 2008 3:35 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s probably the result of a starting salary of $10M with 9% increase per year.

by gadogry on Dec 11, 2008 4:45 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

The money is more or less a wash, apparently

Although Raja’s contract ends soon, but again, I think the real issue with Boris and his contract was the dollar-to-production ratio, which was not good. Boris of 05-06 was worth $9 million per, the one we’ve since is not. Boris of this year, at half that price would be pretty good. Much like Tim Thomas—he was unbelievable at the veteran’s minimum, pro-rated out for 20 games (or whatever), but a colossal bust at $14 million.

by SoCalSun on Dec 11, 2008 3:36 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

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