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Stan Stole My Headline. But I'm Glad He Recognizes the Error of His Ways. Suns Beat Magic, Thanks to JRich

JSun Richardson.  Stan's earlier post speaks volumes.  He beat me to the punch mainly because some genius decided to cut off Jefferson downtown.  I guess they thought it was too easy to get out of downtown.

Besides JRich, what was there to like? 

How about beating the Magic on the boards?  I know Howard went out, but the Suns were leading the battle at halftime without Shaq.  While I don't expect STAT to out-rebound Howard, I do expect him to outrebound the Howard-less Magic.  He did that.

How about 13 turnovers?  Two were caused by JRich being out of position for a Nash pass, one was caused when Sweet Lou forgot to put his hands out for a JRich pass and another was caused by someone (I forget who) passing to Sweet Lou on the elbow for a drive resulting in an offensive foul.  Unfortuneately, I think the Magic scored close to 20 off the turnovers. 

Amare Stoudemire the playmaker?  The only thing better than the pass was the play-action stutter-step from Hill as Nash came over. 

More after the jump.

Here's the post game audio with Amare, Nash and J Rich provided by Sports 620 KTAR (and yes, I do have to say that every time)

 

Great Magic blog coverage at 3rd Qtr Collapse

Star-divide

I want to talk about this "issue" with JSun Richardson taking too many shots.  Amare went to the line 5 times (11 attempts as one was from an "and 1"), so he really took 19 shots.  JRich went to the line 3 times, so he took 19 shots.  The only gut to take more "non-free throw" shots was Nash at 18.  Also, JRich clanked his first four and still shot 50% while Amare was below .500 for the first time in a year.

What does this mean?

Amare is getting his touches.  Nash steps in when he has to.  JRich is efficient.  It means I hope that Shaq's ego doesn't screw this up.

Before I go further -- I'm going to need to get the internet on the phone thingy or something.  I was really confused about Howard's absence.  I was considering calling Stan (again) for an update.  Maybe throw me a bone and send a text message or something when something obvisouly wrong happens?

Someone tell me what happened.  I heard about the knee.  Was it on that play in the 2nd period where Forpez sumo-wrestled Howard to the ground?

With Howard out, things were looking good.  Then, some guy that looked like Pat Burke with sideburns scrambled up to the scorer's table.  The dude went on to dominate the Suns like Pat Burke dominated St. Catherine's varsity squad:


 Thank goodness that didn't last too long.  M. Gortat (that's how he's listed on nba.com) was at a point-a-minute rate when he first came in.  That dude made all of Poland proud.  When I kept referring to "M. Gortat" as Pat Burke (because I didn't know his name), the gregarious fellow sitting next to me commented that he was happy to see Pat Burke on another NBA team.  That's what you get sometimes ...

Did anyone notice that JRich's two highlight reel alley-oop dunks came off feeds from Barbosa?  I guess anyone can be a good playmaker when they're feeding JSun Richardson.

There was also that sequence at the end of the second period where Barnes got called for an offensive fould while shouting a fadeaway three-pointer with the shot clock expiring.  He very nearly took off the ref's head.  Then, he was t'ed up for "delay of game" for not leaving fast enough when he was subbed out?  Really?  Either give the guy a tech or don't, but don't take the wussy way out.  After the game, as I was sitting in the car trying to get out of the parking garage, I was reading the program.  Apparently, after his mom passed he was leading the league in flagrant fouls until he got counseling.  Good for him.  I couldn't imagine how I'd deal with losing my mom (who is 12 years older than his mom when she died) in a matter of three weeks.  In this instance, it probably saved the life, or at least the head, of that zebra.

I want to talk about the coaching. 

Hedo hits clutch shots.  He did it last year and seems to be sinking a game-winner about once a week this year.  He put the Magic up with 9.9 seconds to go.  (As a sidenote, the Polish Pat Burke made a good play when he fouled Nash off the pick-n-roll, turning a very good opportunity to score into a side-out with 6 seconds left).  Let's address Ron Jeremy's failure first (even though it happened second in real time).  With 2.7 seconds left, Hedo was throwing it in.  He wasn't available as a scoring option as there wouldn't have been enough time to get him the ball back.  He wasn't able to even be a decoy at that point.  That dude hits tought shots.  Instead, he's relegated to the role of "pass to the guy who is going to 'create'."

On the other hand, Porter gave the ball to STAT.  The guy who wants to be "the man."  He then ran Nash over and Hill (the passer) toward the hoop.  STAT had the option of making a play with Nash, taking it himself or hitting the cutter.  The thing that was so great about the play was that Nash came over, drawing attention and giving Hill the room for the back-cut.  Perhaps most impressive was STAT's recognition of how the play developed.  From the stands, when I saw the ball go into STAT and I saw the pause I was freaked out that he was going to try at 20-foot fadeaway jumper.  My disgust with Porter turned to joy when I saw Hill cutting to the hoop.

What have we learned?

The Suns beat another good team.  Stoudemire and JRich took the same number of shot attempts but Nash was the real ball-hog.  Stoudemire can, when necessary, pass.  Barbosa can send lob feeds to JRich (although I could probably do that).  Fropez is pretty good at putting a Gillooly on star players; I would normally argue that he needs to get more than 1 rebound in 20 minutes but he kept Howard off the offensive glass -- Howard's two put-backs when Fropez was not in the game.

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Jsun Richardson

awesome…haha

what a fun game, i think barbosa will thrive with so much more of the defense having to focus on JSun Richardson (lol), freeing up LB to be speedy, I think they should keep LB and dump Amare..

by be-the-ball on Dec 13, 2008 1:12 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Dump Amare...

You must be insane…..

by cabezonication on Dec 13, 2008 2:25 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

I would have been for the idea before we traded Diaw

But now there’s no way.

Seriously though, if you trade Amare for J-Rich+Crash, you start this lineup:

Nash
Richardson
Wallace
Diaw
Shaq

with Singletary, Dragic, Tucker, Barbosa, Barnes, Bell, Hill, Amundson, Lopez off the bench. I LOVE that lineup. Defense, offense, versatility, depth…it’s all there.

But yeah, hooray for J-RIch, but we still have a lot of work to do. I don’t want everyone freaking out the next game we lose. You guys just gotta keep yourselves at an emotional neutral; we beat a good team, heck ya, but we almost lost it on a last second shot, so pace yourselves my fellow suns fanatics.

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Dec 13, 2008 10:30 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

We should start a support group for the emotionally flat

by Phoenix Stan on Dec 13, 2008 10:53 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Erm, there's a rule with trades in the NBA that the salaries have to match within a 25% differential.

And no, you should hate that lineup, as should anyone else sane. Because you have Richardson, Bell, Barbarosa, and possibly even Tucker vying for 48 minutes. And then you have Wallace, Barnes, Hill, and Tucker at small forward. This is like the current trade, except that it is a lot worse for our frontcourt depth, and it couldn’t get sanctioned cos the salaries don’t match.

Shaq plays 30 minutes a night, and sits on b2bs, and is likely to go down at some point. So your starting center will be a scrappy, second-line rookie. And you have Boris Diaw as your starting power forward. Diaw can’t box anyone out, can’t block a shot to save his life, and is a mediocre post-defender. He hasn’t had it in 2 WCFs or last season, and he won’t be having it anytime soon. And for all the people with minds like sieves, forgetting how game 2 against the Spurs last season was lost when we repeatedly fed Diaw the ball in the post to allow him to exploit mismatches against Parker, Barry, Ginobili, Diaw is SOFT. Yes, I admit he’s been playing well this season, and he gets my respect for that, but he’s been proven to be a playoff flop(one good game to go with 10 horrible ones and people were raving about him), and only when at the top of his game(very seldom) is he worth his salary.

A team with such a thin frontcourt is treading on really thin ice.

Trading Stoudemire is an intriguing option, it’s a gamble that coaching can screw his head on right and mature him as a player and teammate, and as of now I’m willing to risk his screw-ups based on the limitlessness of his potential.

by felixthm on Dec 13, 2008 10:19 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Good point about the salaries matching

However, Boris is actually our second best post defender IMO. He boxes out a hell of a lot better than Amare. Again, Boris is a proven 13/7/6 guy when he starts and he’s involved in the offense.

We won more games feeding Boris in the post than we did using the Nash/Amare pick and roll in the playoffs this year.

Diaw is soft? If Diaw is soft, than Amare is softer. Diaw actually mans up on defense; Amare, on the other hand, enjoys watching people blow by him for the open dunk. I understand that Amare dunks, growls and roars, but that’s posturing to me; Amare is a hell of a lot softer than Diaw.

That front-court lineup that I have posted is as thin as the one we currently have now after the trade, so not sure why you’re bringing that up. Our starting center right now IS a rookie when Shaq goes down, so I don’t see why you’re bringing that up.

Amare’s potential isn’t “limitless”. He’s in his seventh season; he’s not a rookie or a second/third year player anymore. This is the player he’s going to be. He’s a fantastic assisted finisher, a great jumpshooter, and an above average shot blocker. That’s it.

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Dec 14, 2008 12:06 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

let me take a stab in the dark on this

your also a fan of marbury and iverson?

you think basketball is about dunking

you choose to look the other way when the most athletic 6’10 guy in the league gets 2 or 3 rebounds during the game, again and again then gets 20-25 in other games….take a deep look, wonder why no other big men have games like that, it’s because they try there hardest all the time, i’d take 30 different nba players over amare, let alone the fact that he cost us a series by ignoring rules and getting off the bench..

it has to be the biggest joke in san antonio, how easy it was to have amare take himself out

we have offense now all over the place, what we need is an athletic big man (I know it sounds like amare) who actually wants to work on rebounding and defense more than just at the end of a game, or when he gets yelled at…

Do you think K.G. or Dwight Howard get yelled at because they’re goofing off, no, it’s because amare is a headcase, and the suns best days are without him, I’m glad you don’t think so, many agree with you, and to me, that simply means we can get more for him in a trade than 1-2 good players, if we can get j richardson for diaw and bell, we should be able to get a top 10 player in the league for amare…

i’d take boozer for amare in a heartbeat, (w/o looking at salaries) that guy is just what we need, a beast who rebounds like a maniac, I’m not a huge barkley fan, but boozer reminds me some of barkley, and if amare was anywhere near as good as barkley on the other end (yes, there’s more to basketball than dunking) we’d be the best team in the league

by be-the-ball on Dec 13, 2008 12:33 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

That's the other side

and all true…I just think w/ Amare there’s something about the guy that makes less about will or desire then about his maturity and we have seen him work very hard to improve and I just can’t help thinking that he might yet figure it out. I know, at 26 he should have already figured it out.

and I also remember how well he played from Jan on last season. Look at the numbers. He was right there w/ KG on rebounding (just under 10rpg) and in the top 5 in points while blowing everyone away in FG%. It doesn’t get much better then that.

It is frustrating b/c we know he CAN do it and believe me it kills me when he doesn’t (see also my ripping him for getting beat down the floor against Utah in a game when he got 20 rebounds).

It is a dilemma. I can’t say either way if he should stay or go. I am certainly open to it and if the right deal was there I wouldn’t hesitate. But you have to really really get great value back.

Boozer btw also has plenty of character / mental issues. He totally dissed Cleveland and has also gone through stretches in Utah where he’s not played hard. I am not sold on him at all.

by Phoenix Stan on Dec 13, 2008 1:09 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

hmmm

didn’t know that on boozer, thanks…I’m pretty limited on other players and knowledge about them.

Also, when I think of Amare and his potential, I think of how he played against Dallas before his surgeries, he was nothing short of phenomenal.

by be-the-ball on Dec 13, 2008 4:17 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

STAT has bad games

We’d all like to see more consistency, but he’s slowly becoming more consistent. I don’t think he’ll ever be the uber-hyped KG. Nor will he bring it like MJ did. Barkley also took games off — that’s why they played so many playoff games under him and gave up a 3-1 lead to Houston.

I think its mainly about expectations — everyone’s are so high that he cannot live up to them. Last week, Stan was dogging his 20/20 line. Last night, my brother said Amare had an off-night but then realized STAT had 21 and 14 — which is Howard’s average so far this season.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Dec 13, 2008 2:25 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

No way.

Don’t dump Amare.

by CanadianBlazerfan on Dec 13, 2008 3:55 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

hehehe

that what the WIN can do for someone mind.

by spoiled on Dec 13, 2008 3:33 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

You should have called

Or, you can sign up for Twitter and you would have got the news that way. Stop being a Luddite and get with the program.

by Phoenix Stan on Dec 13, 2008 8:37 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Lovely recap

And thank you for posting that video. Those gems from the Suns video team are the only reason to miss Pat Burke. Best Damn Sports Show should call him the next time they’re hiring.

by Mike Lisboa on Dec 13, 2008 10:39 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Haha I miss Burke.

And actually wouldn’t mind him back. He had some moments.

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Dec 13, 2008 10:53 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

tell you what… the locker room would be a much better place with Pat Burke around.

although the thought of 2 7ft pranksters in Shaq & Pat…
It could get weird and scary.. as in Kazaam II scary..

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Dec 13, 2008 11:07 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

More Trade Disasters!

The Magic picked up the New Pat Burke with the Suns’ 2005 trade rights (per 3d Quarter Collapse). Just awful

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Dec 13, 2008 5:01 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Gortat = anti-Burke

he looked like he ate Pat for lunch. Dude looked down right evil. I expect to see him in Saw VII thru IX

by Phoenix Stan on Dec 13, 2008 5:41 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

So?

Can he carry himself in a video segment? That’s the real question.

Well, that and, “Can he set picks like Pat Burke?”

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Dec 13, 2008 6:03 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

He was really good at setting picks

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Dec 13, 2008 2:25 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

SVG Coaching Move

Not sure why you’re so down on SVG’s play call at the end. I’m pretty sure the Magic ran a similar play a few nights ago (Turkoglu as the inbounder) that resulted in Turkoglu hitting the game winning shot. If the primary option isn’t open, HT gives it to the outlet big man who passes it right back for a shot. 2.7 seconds is plenty of time for that. Don’t the announcers always talk about how dangerous the inbounder is?

by Sam Cohen on Dec 13, 2008 11:18 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Time

I don’t think there’s enough time to get the ball back to Hedo on that play. Usually, the inbouder can’t simply step back onto the court and get the ball right back; that is, he has to make some sort of run or cut. Not enough time (in my book, anway) and Lewis didn’t even look for Hedo there.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Dec 13, 2008 2:20 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I watched that a few times

and Amare did a good job forcing the pass out high…The coaches also did a good job putting Amare on the inbounds pass given his track record making good decisions on the floor in these situations. They also really spent a lot of time in the timeout telling him what to you. You could see Porter and Gentry both really “instructing” him.

He used his size and legnth to screen off a pass going towards the hoop forcing Hedo to throw the ball out high to Lewis (who was being guarded by Nash on a switch btw) but was too far away for an effective shot.

Compare that to this play last season…Amare did well to contest Peja’s shot but LB was on the inbound pass and the ball as able to come into Peja inside the arc.

Again, seems like solid coaching to me.

by Phoenix Stan on Dec 13, 2008 2:49 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

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