Brandon Roy and the Blazers Finally Get a Win Against the Suns. The Law of Averages Prevails.
11 in a row ... The longest active streak in the league ... Roy goes 0 for 9 ...
I guess sometimes even a blind squirrel cand find an acorn every once in a while.
Well, sorta. That, and the fact that Suns couldn't guard Roy. Shooting guards seem to have a tendency to go off on the Suns (I'm already having nightmares of Ginobili driving left on Christmas Day. "He's left-handed!" "Guard his left!" "Force him right!").
I blame Porter playing a zone against a hot-shooting team. I dont' know that much about basketball, but I know that outside shooting can kill a zone. When the points are coming from the backcourt and off jumpers, why are the Suns in a zone?
Box Score * Blazers Edge * Game Quotes
I liked STAT's start. At halftime, Amare was off his game with only 6 points on 1 of 5 shooting. On the other hand, he had 6 rebounds, 3 assists and 2 blocks. I didn't like his finish. He ended with 23 pts, 8 rebounds, 8 assists and 2 blocks. In the second half, he had 2 boards and no blocks. Why couldn't he finish with 12 boards and 4 blocks to go along with his 23 points?
Bad defense? With Pryz and Aldridge in the game, STAT covered Pryz and Shaq or Fropez picked up Aldridge ... causing probs for STAT on the offensive glass. When Oden and Aldridge are out there together, STAT has to guard Aldridge becuase he cannot handle Oden. This caused all sorts of problems for Stoudemire on defense. I thought Shaq was supposed to allow Stoudemire to use his athleticism on power forwards and be a moe effective defender?
Amare got the job done when he was double-teamed, but it wasn't too pretty. Maybe Shaq can make passing out of the double-team part of The Amare Stoudemire Project.
I was also concerned about the rotations until I looked at the numbers. First, let's address my concerns. I don't understand much, but I get the part about sitting Nash across periods. Why does Porter rest Nash in the middle of the fourth period? Why not the end of the third and the beginning of the fourth? Also, why did he play Nash the entire first but rest him for the first 6 minutes of the second period?
I don't know why or why not. I do know that the Suns won the second quarter 38 to 28 with Nash out about half of the period. The starters also got a good rest with Fropez on the floor for Shaq and Barbosa running the point while feeding Barnes for a trio of treys (it didn't seem to help Shaq, though, because I think he only scored 2 in the second). Ths Suns also outscored the Blazers by 8 with Nash out. Also, there was a lot of rest for the starters in the first half. When Barbosa came in during the 4th, the Suns took the lead. Nash came in and the team lost.
What does this mean? I don't know, but it sure is confusing. Would someone smarter, with notes taken while watching game in his mom's basement, please enlighten me?
One more note to Nash: don't run the pick and roll with Bo Outlaw Sweet Lou.
On the zone: Why do the Suns play the zone when Roy and Blake are shooting lights-out? Again, I'm only a Y-League coach, but last time I checked an offense breaks the zone by hitting jumpers. If they're already hitting jumpers, why go to it? I like the zone with Shaq in the game because it keeps him in the paint (wasn't he the reason the Leauge began allowing zones?) and minmizes his pick-and-roll liability. It also allows STAT to use his alleged "big man quickness" on the perimeter. Why have Stoudemire in the middle of the zone, under-utlizing his quickness and weakening his already-weak rebounding abilities?
Nash also had some trouble wih Aldridge switching to him on the pick and roll. More than once, after the switch, Aldridge pulled up his shorts and hunkered down, as if to say, "I can guard you." And he did a more than admirable job on Nash. I liked when Nash handed the ball to STAT at the top of the lane and let STAT run it, driving to the hoop.
Funny Craig Sager moment not involving his wardrobe:
At halftime, Craig Sager asks Matt Barnes, "How did you get so open for those 3s." Answer, "Well, they were running a zone and I've got two big screeners." New nickname: The Big Screener.
Shaq's free throws are at 58% on the season (52% career average) and his shots appear softer, not rim-damaging. Quick question: what has done more damage to NBA rims over the years? Shaq's dunks or Shaq's free throws?
It was a great game. It's about time the Blazers put one over on the Suns. Nash went 5 for 14 and Roy went 14 for 27. Seems like we're often saying something like, "If Nash hits his normal shots, the Suns win." It also seems like shooting guards have been killing the Suns recently.
Don't forget -- the turnovers were 16 to 6. Guess who had 16?
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its not just the suns
Brandon has been ripping every team apart lately and he has a torn tendon in his pinky. I think the Suns got a taste of what is to come. As of today the Suns are still the better team but unless they decide to hold on to some of their young talent their days are numbered. Amare is a specimen but he doesn’t have “it” like Kobe, Lebron, KG, or even Nash in his prime. Time to get young :)
by The Natural ala Mode on Dec 19, 2008 12:01 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Amare for who?
That’s the thing. He’s not Kobe or KG or MJ or Duncan. He’s not. But he’s still pretty damn good. I’m also convinced he gives it all he’s got. He is getting better defensively and on the boards. There are at least 25 other teams that would take him.
It’s kind of like an ugly guy dating an 8 or a 9. You know you can’t do better, so hold onto her.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on Dec 19, 2008 12:07 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
that is the question alright
but if we can get JSun for bell and diaw, there’s hope on who we can get for amare and nash…that’s right…after turnover 1,000,000 my opinion of nash is…he was awesome for 1-3 yrs, and a hell of a lot of fun to watch, but now he’s not in his game (fast break) and not working with smart big men (= amare), so he’s looking worse than he is…poor guy…
Either we go back to 7 seconds or less (which isn’t happening – not on the level on d’antoni) or we trade nash and amare for players that fit the new system…great ball handlers – slashing guards – sounds an awful lot like tony parker and manu ginobili (like there’s some of those on the shelf)
Hmmm… I wonder what kerr is planning, because let’s face it, it was d’antoni’s team last yr, this, imo is really kerr’s first yr calling any shots. And I really like the JRich move, I’m curious over the next season or so to see his next move…I really think Kerr could do some great things for the Suns, but it’s going to take some changes in employees…
It’s weird to say that…this team is so loaded for talent, I’d like to think they could win a title this year, but if they can’t…then the next best thing is to start thinking long term and making smart moves again…aka bryan colangelo….
dumping bell and diaw for jrich was great I think
but trading amare or nash could easily be a disaster, because they’re still very very good players, often great…
side note – great to see barnes – lb and hill play well tonight
by be-the-ball on Dec 19, 2008 12:58 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
That was a great trade
Raja and Diaw were limited players. Jrich at least has the talent to be a star unto himself. Now the coaching part needs to come along. Still, he played the best defense on Roy tonight… not that it was great but it was better than watching Roy shoot over Barnes on every possession or worse when he got switched on to Nash and Steve just waved the white flag or fouled him.
whaa happen?
by Toby on Dec 19, 2008 1:53 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
amazing ballgame
coulda gone either way.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Dec 19, 2008 12:08 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Porter went the zone because Roy was getting past his man every time he had the ball
and was getting a lot of people in foul trouble.
by ppilot on Dec 19, 2008 12:51 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
It's true
Roy’s was initially scoring in with the drive… so a zone seemed good. Then he started hitting from outside against the zone. It was one of those nights when nothing was going to work. Even when Porter had two guys running at Roy late in the game the Blazers moved the ball and got two open 3’s in the corner for Outlaw. Also it took a rebounder away from the paint and let Oden pick up the first O-board and Outlaw the second that sealed the game.
whaa happen?
by Toby on Dec 19, 2008 1:55 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually liked the zone move
Zones haven’t hurt the Blazers nearly as much as they did last season as the 3-point shooting has improved dramatically. Tonight, outside of Roy and Blake only Rudy Fernandez (2-4) made a 3. Outlaw was 0-3 and Sergio Rodriguez was 0-2. In fact Outlaw blew one wide open look when Porter decided to send 2 guys at Roy anywhere on the court ala Orlando when they came away with a victory in Portland last week. Roy was taking whatever the defense was giving him and going through stretches where he couldn’t miss.
What are you impressions of Roy?
"He's just a very, very good basketball player. Very smart. Very heady. He can do a little bit of everything on the court. As coaches, when we scout Portland we kind of put him in the same category as Kobe (Bryant), LeBron (James), Dwyane Wade. We treat him the same. He's that good."
- Byron Scott
by CMCWizard on Dec 19, 2008 4:51 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
We need a trade at point guard
CALDERÓN
13, 2 p. – 9 as. – 1 st. – 2 TO – 48% FG – 45% triples – 100% FT
NASH
15,5 p. – 8 as. – 0,5 st. – 4 TO – 49% FG – 42% triples – 93% FT
I would like a trade: Calderón + Bargnani x Nash
I don’t like Porter’s rotations
by matrix7 on Dec 19, 2008 1:20 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Raps
Would be crazy to agree to that deal. Nash is 35!!! 35!!! 35!!! Sure he’s my favorite player too, but unless your name is Michael Jeffery Jordan, Kareem Abdul Jabaar, Bill Russel, or Wilt Chamberlin you’re not going to really be an impact player in this league over the age of 35. Steve’s too old to trade to anybody but a team that wants to win this year…. actually he’s already on a team like that. So he’s probably best staying put.
whaa happen?
by Toby on Dec 19, 2008 1:59 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
In this way we get a gain 2×1
We get a younger and safe player at point guard; best for the Porter style of game, and also get a back up for Amare.
If Nash will finally go, why not bring forward his departure?
by matrix7 on Dec 19, 2008 1:32 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I dont think Raptors
would go for it. Calderon is younger with a good upside while Nash would probably bolt for New York (with Lebron or Bosh or Wade) unless the he gets the Raptors a championship. I think were closer to contend in the playoffs with a trade for a good backup big man instead of a point guard – with Barbosa handling the ball and letting Hill or Barnes playing point forward. Of course the problem is that Barbosa is also our most valuable trade chip to get a pretty good big man and he’s also playing great.
I dont know who we can get i a trade for Alando Tucker???
by toto_l2003 on Dec 19, 2008 2:18 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Look at the bright side of the sun...
Shaq no longer makes movies. shrugs.
Is it true that Tom Chambers may sign on as head coach if Porter doesn’t work out this season?
when i get sad, i stop being sad & become awesome again. true story.
by Net Ranger on Dec 19, 2008 1:44 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Great game
I’ll be pulling for you guys assuming you don’t play us Blazers again. I feel for teams that’ve gotten jobbed over the years by the powers that be. Means I love you, the Kings and my Blazers.
whaa happen?
by Toby on Dec 19, 2008 2:01 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Thank you JSun
for covering the recap. I was scheduled to do that but had a Cox internet fail…
I thought it was a great game and while Roy was awesome (do we blame JRich?) it was Outlaw getting hot late that put them over the top. It was their night. I can’t be too disappointed.
I get noticing through the game how happy the Suns were. They were playing with joy and fun for the first time in a long time. Is that Bell and Diaw sour pusses being gone or is that Porter letting the dog run free?
Either way. Fun stuff.
And yes, the D is a work in progress. Work In Progress….
Props to the Blazers for playing a great game. We are still the better team but the gap is closing.
Blogging Suns Basketball
by Phoenix Stan on Dec 19, 2008 7:44 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
D on Roy
I don’t know for sure, but I’m thinking Roy would’ve had 60+ against Bell.
Roy got off to a slow start. I think 3 for 8 in the first (something like that).
He just turned it on and got it done.
Outlaw hurt; he hit 4 or 5 in a row, but then he started missing. Outlaw kept them around long enough and Roy finished it off.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on Dec 19, 2008 8:56 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm amused
how when the blazers beat good teams, it’s never the blazers playing hard, it’s always the other team failing to do something. Then again, I believe I also stated, when the blazers lost to the jazz, that the blazers being that tired sure made the Jazz look good.
With rest and a little time to prepare, the blazers really are that good though. When they don’t have rest and practice to continue learning, then you get that horrible game against the Jazz last week. They’re young still. Home court also swings more in their favor than for other teams for the emotional lift.
So, disparage the blazers if you like, but it’s not a fluke. Roy is showing that YES he is that good. Once coach we play against… (wizards?) stated that you prep for Roy just as you would kobe, wade, and lebron. I wouldn’t go that far, but he’s pretty dang good and gets overlooked because he doesn’t go for flash normally and prefers his team involved as opposed to taking over.
That said, yeah, the suns are still a better team at this point. I believe the blazers can defend home, but a win on the road against the suns would be the fluke. They need that crowd boost. A play-off series win wouldn’t happen either even if blazers had home court. Not at this point anyway.
Now that I have defended my blazers honor, kudos for not blaming the refs. Also, kudos for a suns team that is warming up and starting to look impressive. I’ve been a suns fan since Nash went over, but ultimately I bleed the black and red. I don’t know if the Suns have a chance, but they’re definitely the team I’ll be rooting for to win it all (assuming the blazers and suns don’t meet).
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
by ratbastird on Dec 19, 2008 8:44 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Always that way
fans alway blame/credit their team and never blame/credit the opponent. It’s the way of the world my friend.
Blogging Suns Basketball
by Phoenix Stan on Dec 19, 2008 9:01 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Credit to Roy
I’m not sure there is anything anyone in the NBA could have done with him last night. Anyone remember that 50 point game by Tony “Buckets” Delk in Sac-town a few years ago, or Uncle Cliffy’s 50? Sometimes a player just gets in the zone and that is that. Aldridge’s bank shot was a prayer answered as well.
On the other hand, the Suns still gave that one away with the late turnovers and those 2 offensive boards they failed to corral in the final minute. Still, those are the sorts of games where you’re sort of OK with your team losing. Numerous times during the game players on both sides made incredible shots—Matt Barnes had it going as well. Even the Big Screener was swishing free throws.
by SoCalSun on Dec 19, 2008 10:39 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Bleh.
Is it just me, or is STAT a really annoying nickname?
If I'm not workin', sleepin', eatin', drinkin', depletin', or sweatin'....I'm reading BlazersEdge. Well....actually only two of those are true.
by feedjockey on Dec 19, 2008 10:54 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Giving yourself a nickname = FAIL
“STAT-Sun-Tzu-Now my apostrophe is her’e” is a phenomenal player, and I thoroughly enjoy watching him play, but I do wish he’d just play. Maybe he could take a tip from the Big Cact—err, nevermind.
by SoCalSun on Dec 19, 2008 11:28 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Nash -19
You can blame a lot of things for this game – Amare’s (lack of) rebounding, not going to Shaq in the 2nd half, turnovers, but the one thing that sticks out to me is Nash’s +/- of -19 for this game. I know a lot of you don’t think much of this stat because it reflects other conditions that Steve for which steve is not responsible, but I have never seen this. Basically, this indicates that Nash cost us the game. Barbosa was +15!
Bottom line, Steve is in a funk I haven’t seen since his Dallas days.
April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?
by Hawk42 on Dec 19, 2008 1:24 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Some weirdos are choosing "Shaq's dunks" on the poll. Wtf??
Have you ever SEEN his free throws? Ah well, at least roughly 2/3 of the people chose “free throws”.
by felixthm on Dec 22, 2008 7:01 AM MST reply actions 0 recs





















