Open Gameday Thread - Suns vs Hornets
by Phoenix Stan on Dec 3, 2008 2:27 PM MST
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Phoenix Suns at New Orleans Hornets, Dec 3, 2008 6:00 PM MST
 Phoenix Suns |
 New Orleans Hornets |
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| 11-7 | 9-6 | |
| 6:00PM Mountain / 8:00 PM Eastern | ||
| TV: My45 HD | ||
| Probable starters: | ||
| Leandro Barbosa | PG | Chris Paul |
| Raja Bell | SG | Rasul Butler |
| Grant Hill |
SF | Peja Stojakovic |
| Amare Stoudemire |
PF | David West |
| Robin Lopez | C | Tyson Chandler |
Update: Per local radio Barbosa and Hill will start with Barnes and Singletary coming off the bench. Both Grant and Leandro have played well in starts. This will be a great test for LB's defense. He's got the physical skills to defend Paul as well as anyone can. Let's see if he brings the will.
Stay home on the shooters (Matt Barnes - I am talking about you staying glued to Peja's fuzzy Greek-Serbian ass) Deny the lobs and passes to the roll man. Limit his assists. Do not let Chris create easy baskets for Tyson "I Can't Shoot the Ball" Chandler Go under all those screens and let him go nuts from the floor as long as he's not driving the lane drawing help and either finishing or passing for easy baskets
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At least Dragic will get another shot at CP3
He did a decent job the last time these teams met.
Window Closed? Shit, just break it then.
by ZonaFlash on Dec 3, 2008 3:30 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Right
so did Linton Johnson III :)
Blogging Suns Basketball
by Phoenix Stan on Dec 3, 2008 3:31 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
C'm on Stan!
Don’t be so tough on Nashty! He has performed really well in the last three games (offensively)
"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"
by PanamaSun on Dec 3, 2008 4:46 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Gambo
on the radio made a great point. Without Nash and Shaq this is Amare’s chance to be “The Man” and is a preview of what the Suns will look like in two years.
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by Phoenix Stan on Dec 3, 2008 4:53 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
very true
Amare started the season as one of the top MVP candidates. Now he’s not even mentioned. Its amazing what a few weeks of poor play can do. But he can get that back tonight if he takes the reigns and displays his greatness. This could be a chance for him to break out of his slump and get the team’s confidence back up.
by KnowGood on Dec 3, 2008 5:31 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
put up or shut up.
My feeling is that Amare, without a post game (like most PFs) and without serious ball-handling skills (like Kobe, T-Mac, Lebron), depends so much on getting the ball in the right spots that he will not be very effective.
Although he D has improved, he’s off my MVP ballot until he gets a post game or better ball-handling skillz. Mercifully, he’s no longer trying to prove he’s Dirk Nowitzki from beyond the arc.
Window Closed? Shit, just break it then.
by ZonaFlash on Dec 3, 2008 6:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
He’s not a complete player yet by any means…which is slightly scary, since he’s already in his 7th season.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Dec 3, 2008 6:31 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Gambo steals from Me
I said that during the New Jersey game.
Check the blog-tape.
Actually, I said I wanted to see him play like The Man without Nash to see if he really is
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on Dec 3, 2008 7:25 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree 100%...
with your CP3 Defensive scheme. We can only hope that Porter is in NO right now reading this post.
by brian13 on Dec 3, 2008 5:38 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
ever wonder
if any suns players/staff read this blogand our comments?
by KnowGood on Dec 3, 2008 5:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I know some do
but not on the b-ball side. More on the PR / communications.
Blogging Suns Basketball
by Phoenix Stan on Dec 3, 2008 7:15 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
do they know they alienated me as a fan? =)
Window Closed? Shit, just break it then.
by ZonaFlash on Dec 3, 2008 7:16 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
This is a page out of Popovich's textbook on sandbagging
A fully staffed loss would have led the city into a panic, needlessly this early in the season. Now, with the obvious stars out, a loss means nothing and buys the team time while a upset win would result in a momentum change, and possibly even a ticker tape parade down Van Buran with the hookers giving away free photo ops to the dirty army.
Window Closed? Shit, just break it then.
by ZonaFlash on Dec 3, 2008 6:13 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
my 60-yr-old dad lol'd me today. It's was disturbing, like the onset of alzheimers.
Window Closed? Shit, just break it then.
by ZonaFlash on Dec 3, 2008 7:16 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
I just realized that I can’t watch the game tonight because apparently NBAtv does not come with NBA League Pass. Needless to say, I’ve very angry.
by brian13 on Dec 3, 2008 6:21 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Isn't the game on NBA TV?
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Dec 3, 2008 6:32 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but..
I only have NBA League Pass and I guess NBA TV doesn’t come with it.
by brian13 on Dec 3, 2008 6:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah sorry, misinterpreted your comment.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Dec 3, 2008 6:37 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
trust me...this isn't a fun game to watch
we’re down by 14 after the first quarter and looking like turn over city again. The thing that bothers be about many of our turnovers…they’re off sloppy, lazy passes…as many of those poor passes are being made, I feel bad about the pass before the turnover even happens. Either it really is taking this team a lot to change styles, or, we’re not a very smart bunch of players with the ball….which doesn’t seem the case, since nash is smart, but Nash is a big part of the “too many” turnovers
by be-the-ball on Dec 3, 2008 6:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Good.
Paul’s doing whatever he wants to do. Scoring, passing at will.
I’m rooting for us to lose by less than 20. Gooooo team!
by Azreous on Dec 3, 2008 6:32 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Amare's a "franchise player" fo sho.
4 TOs to 0 assists in the first quarter=MVP!
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Dec 3, 2008 6:38 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
hey -- ease up rsavaj
if amare scores 10 or more and on the rare occasion he rebounds 10 or more, (throw in the turnovers) and he could get a triple double! :-)
it’s ugly out there,
by be-the-ball on Dec 3, 2008 6:42 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Amare with 0 rebounds.
He’s getting outrebounded by Chris Paul.
This is why I can’t stand Amare’s ego sometimes. He wants to be “the man”? How about contributing to the game in any other fashion than just scoring points. Record more assists than turnovers. Stop letting PGs out rebound you.
Jebus.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Dec 3, 2008 6:40 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Hornets are shooting 68%
A little hard to rebound when they don’t miss
by hcblankscreen on Dec 3, 2008 6:42 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Well it hasn't been hard for...
…Raja, Grant, Barnes, Diaw and midget Singletary to at least grab one rebound, but you’re right, it’s probably “hard” for the superathletic 6’10 PF…
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Dec 3, 2008 6:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
this amare analysis
is why we didn’t get K.G., not only did marion not want to go at the time, but many people, (even then) know and agree with your comments, amare is 1D
by be-the-ball on Dec 3, 2008 6:44 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
hold the phone
35-29
we’re within 6!!
maybe 4 (hill at line) and they’re doing it running
and a T
4 point game!!!!
by be-the-ball on Dec 3, 2008 6:48 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
BARNES ANSWERS!
Window Closed? Shit, just break it then.
by ZonaFlash on Dec 3, 2008 6:53 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
David West or Amare Stoudemire?
Window Closed? Shit, just break it then.
by ZonaFlash on Dec 3, 2008 6:56 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
West is outplaying him tonight.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Dec 3, 2008 6:57 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Amare...
Just not tonight, or this week, or this season. He’s doing 2 things tat are REALLY ticking me off.
1) Not taking any mid-range shots. He has such a dead-on turn around. He should be dominating this game. But instead he’s trying to play under the board. Which leads me to #2.
2) Whining after every play that he doesnt getting a foul on. If they saw a foul, they’ll blow the whistle. You’re job is to hustle back down the floor and work on getting a stop.
by KnowGood on Dec 3, 2008 7:03 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
5 TOs, 0 rebounds, 0 assists, 2 fouls for "the man"
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Dec 3, 2008 7:06 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
at least a zero assist-to-turnover ratio is mathematically defined.
And a few more TO’s won’t spoil his ATO stats. =)
Window Closed? Shit, just break it then.
by ZonaFlash on Dec 3, 2008 7:18 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
the man
in this game is not going to be amare. This is certainly going to be a team win. If anybody looks like they’ll be “the man” in this game its either Hill or Diaw. And I’m only saying Diaw because it takes a whole lot of talent to make a basket when you’re really trying to pass the ball.
by KnowGood on Dec 3, 2008 7:11 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Better 2nd Q on D
started w/ CP and Amare on the bench. Suns mids (Barnes, Hill and Pony Boy) played well. LB at least trying on CP and guys are helping and denying penetration. Making him pass the ball to guys not named Peja or West.
Amare is crap if he’s not scoring tonight. Really not liking his nrgy or body language. And he’s got another T already.
Didn’t we go through this w/ him last year? Then around xmas after the loss to the Lakers he said he was going to yadda yadda
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by Phoenix Stan on Dec 3, 2008 7:19 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Amare's crap if he's not scoring period.
I mean seriously, what else does he bring to the period? Rebounding? No, we have as many rebounds as Amare tonight. Defense? No, David West is tearing him up(and every big man Amare guarded last year pwned him). Assists? No, he has a terrible A:TO ratio. Leadership? No.
Like, honestly….what else does he contribute?
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Dec 3, 2008 7:22 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
he contributes
that kick ass mohawk. With raja, barnes, and amare’s mohawk, we’re a mean lookin bunch.
Maybe thats it. Amare hasnt been playing well since he’s had the mohawk.
by KnowGood on Dec 3, 2008 7:26 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Correction: What else does he bring to the "table", because "what else does he bring to the period" doesn't make any sense
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Dec 3, 2008 7:29 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
AMARE WITH THE REBOUND!
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Dec 3, 2008 7:35 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
he just got another one!!!
whoo hoo! it’s cause for celebration! break out the champagne and caviar!!
I'm just like you, only ten times better.
by noonoo on Dec 3, 2008 7:42 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
=
Equal all the way through. If Nash and/or Shaw were playing, do you think we’d be up or down?
by KnowGood on Dec 3, 2008 7:40 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
@rsavaj HAHA!!!!!!!!!!!! Good times!
Window Closed? Shit, just break it then.
by ZonaFlash on Dec 3, 2008 7:41 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
absolutely
somebody knows how to play D. He could one day be one of the better shot blockers in the game. Bright future for this kid.
by KnowGood on Dec 3, 2008 7:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
We're not closing the quarter strong :(
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Dec 3, 2008 7:51 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
In incredibly depressing news,
Rajon Rondo today: 16 points, 17 assists, 13 rebounds(hear that, Amare?)
How is that we haven’t been able to find Nash a backup for FIVE YEARS now?
We’ve wasted his prime :(
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Dec 3, 2008 7:56 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
So our starting center and PF
have three rebounds combined in more than 55 minutes.
by Azreous on Dec 3, 2008 8:13 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
and THAT...
has been our main problem. We were aways dominted by the spurs because they just owed the boards. The only reason I was able to “buy-in” to the diesel was because I expected more rebounds. And shaq does get us rebounds. But like we see now, no shaq = no rebounds.
by KnowGood on Dec 3, 2008 8:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Am I a bad person for thinking that Amare could be a valuable trade chip?
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Dec 3, 2008 8:21 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Side note so you guys don't think I'm a "hater"; he's my favorite player.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Dec 3, 2008 8:21 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
i don’t think we’d get enough in return for him.
by brian13 on Dec 3, 2008 8:22 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
yes
he’s just in a slump. Everyone goes through them. Unfortunately, our whole team is in their own slumps.
by KnowGood on Dec 3, 2008 8:23 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Sucks that our whole team is in a slump :(
But my whole thing with Amare is that his trade value is still really high, and he seems more and more disenchanted with the prospects of staying here. I’m just wondering if Kerr’s sending out any feelers to see what the potential return could be.
He’s really just a guy who can put up points extremely efficiently when paired with a great PG, and pretty efficiently without one. That seems to be his skillset, and I’m fine with that, but that’s not a “franchise player”, and he’s not a guy I want us to build around in 2010.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Dec 3, 2008 8:27 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
i love amare and think he has all the potential in the world...
but how can he look at the stat sheet tonight and be happy with 4 rebounds in 40 min. 1 board per 10 min. Thats embarrassing.
by brian13 on Dec 3, 2008 8:26 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I feel strangely pleased and relieved by this game
It was an exciting game, some guys played well. Some complainers and people who are slumping were isolated, exposed and humiliated for the good of the team.
It’s nice to be playing preseason games in the middle of the season. Perhaps we’ll get something good by the all-star break.
Window Closed? Shit, just break it then.
by ZonaFlash on Dec 3, 2008 8:31 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Can't say the loss was unexpected.
But I don’t like the way we caved in the 2nd half.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Dec 3, 2008 8:31 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I'm more focused with tomorrow
I dont understand why it is, but everytime we play the Mavs, we get the kinks worked out. We definately played better than expected today, considering our two MVP starters were out. Could’ve een won, had we not giventhm 30 pts at the FT line. Thats just horrible. But either way, regroup, watch some film, cut out some pics from a magazine and add them to your collage, and go rock the Mavs.
by KnowGood on Dec 3, 2008 8:38 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I do love PHX-DAL games
We always bring our A-game.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Dec 3, 2008 8:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
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