Suns Beat the Jazz In Spite of Stan's Pessimism
The t-shirt toss is coming and PhxStan is sitting next to me complaining about the time he got a free (that's right -- free) Right Guard t-shirt during the t-shirt toss. My grandmother used to tell me that beggars can't be choosers (that's also what she told the homeless guys that she gave bologna sandwiches to every Tuesday and Thursday at her church for 25 years). When I told him that these t-shirts looked a little more purple than blue, he feigned surprise and asked, "Now you're an optimist?" As if my current rants about Raja Bell have totally over-shadowed my Kool-Aid breath after the The Big Trade (and I was complaining about Raja last year, too). He was the one complaining and grudgingly admitting that Shaq was playing good defense.
Every time Milsap scored, I heard, "For the record, that was Amar'e's man" (I guess that how many apostrophes you need to make Amar'e possessive). Then, as the game closed, "Hey, look, Stoudemire's got 20 rebounds." On the way out, "That wasn't a good 20. Most of those must have been uncontested." I'll admit he did get an offensive board in which he made the Oliver Miller move of padding his stats by intentionally missing, getting the rebound and scoring. Other than that, though ... I'm sure we'll hear more about it tomorrow after Stan watches the tape.
It was quite frustrating to watch Milsap beat Stoudemire down the court and score an easy bucket about a half-dozen times. Really, though, what more do we want?
The guy went for 22 and 20 (As a sidenote, before I go further, I seem to remember a handful of good defensive sequences on Okur). That doen'st happen by accident. Granted, Boozer was out, but this is the Utah Jazz -- not exactly pushovers. He had a few too many turnovers when he kept the ball too low too long on his drives to the hoop, but he kept active on the glass and that's what we have all been asking for. He shot worse from the line than Shaq, but he was rebounding. I'll take it. He and Shaq had 30 rebounds, while the Jazz totalled only 37. I'll take that every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
It was also nice to see Diaw deliver -- especially after a rough start. We were closely monitoring the stats to see if we'd get a Full French tonight. He was one assist away. Maybe next time. His jumper is coming along nicely and its a good addition to his game. I'm also good with him taking a wide-open 3. He's about 31% so far this year. He's a more effective player when he's a legitimate scoring threat. My favorite fan moment ever may have come at this game when Boris was driving in the first quarter and got stripped of the ball; the guy behind us said, "Boris! Learn to pass!" (It was either that or watching a group of Turks dance through the arena with a Turkish flag singing "Mehmet Okur!" to the tune of When the Saints Come Marching In).
Speaking of three-pointers, Raja Bell had just about his worst outing I've ever seen. He was 0-4 on spot-up threes. They were all shots on which I have given him the green light, though. His defense continues to fail, too. This, however, was much worse than even I expect out of him. I don't think it's a trend, I think it was a bad night.
It was nice to see LB step up and play like he can. When Tucker comes back, the 2-guard spot will be interesting. With Bell's declining defense and his offensive shortcomings, I wonder how much longer he'll be the starter and/or receiving significant minutes. LB was wonderful last year in starts and he is starting to play not-too-awful defense. Right now, LB is the better all-around player. Stan tells me that Tucker was extremely impressive in Las Vegas. Hopefully, LB and Tucker will limit Bell's playing time. This, in turn, will likely make Raja made and a better player. The 2-guard rotation will be fun to watch.
Looking to the future, Raja is on the books this year for $5M and next for $5.25M. We're not going to be able to get rid of him unless some team is wanting his expiring contract next year. I bet hope the Suns look to move him next year with that in mind.
At the end of the game, Stan said it didn't feel like a good win because Boozer was missing. Sure, the Jazz are weaker without him, but Milsap stepped up against the Suns again. His numbers are better this year, with a 13 and 8 average, but he always seems to over-achieve against the Suns -- 20 and 12 tonight. I think Stan felt the way he did because D-Will couldn't hit water from a boat. Going under the screen-and-roll was a good defensive plan tonight.
Remember when a bad shooting night would mean a loss? Remember when a bad shooting night from behind the arc would mean a loss? Let me introduce you to a win with 45% shooting and 23% three-point shooting, including a 4 of 14 performance from Mr. Nash. With or without Boozer, the Jazz are still a good defensive team and the Suns overcame an off night. Most of it was from Boris. He was driving and dishing. And when he was missing, he was drawing defenders thereby allowing Amare to clean up on the offensive end.
The turnover issues continue. 16 Suns turnovers turned into something like 25 Jazz points. 14 Jazz turnovers turned into 11 points (I think). There were at least four instances where the Suns got a turnover and gave it right back to the Jazz with a crappy outlet pass. I've gotten used to seeing the Suns turn it over in the half-court, but I don't remember seeing so many in their defensive half like this.
It was a good win over a good time. Hopefully, they can use the Bucks to tune up for the Lakers.
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Good win, but...
It’s quite foreboding that this game in which Amare had 20 rebounds and Diaw played well came in a game where Shaq largely didn’t play. I’m still wondering if Shaq and Amare can coexist playing at the same time for large chunks of time, because it seems as though when one plays well, the other either doesn’t have a good game, or doesn’t play much.
by darkdude on Dec 6, 2008 11:43 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
See, that's just it.
It used to be we said the same thing about Amare and Diaw playing at the same time (and their inability to do so). Meanwhile, Amare thrived at the end of last season with Shaq in the lineup, putting up some ridiculous scoring numbers.
I think the problem is more circumstantial than it is about one guy or the other’s ability to play with Amare. Amare’s somewhat one-dimensional game (in that he only scores in a handful of [very effective] ways and is still a mediocre passer) probably makes it so Diaw and Shaq will always have their off games with him in the lineup.
by Azreous on Dec 7, 2008 12:27 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Look more closely
Shaq went for 15 and 10 in 23 minutes. He played good defense and was really only limited by fouls. Going into the 4th, he probably played about 20 minutes. He was pulled when he got his 5th foul and wasn’t put back in simply because the lineup out there was playing well.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on Dec 7, 2008 12:42 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't gotta tell me.
I was talking more about the general point than last night’s performance. I’m not sure what darkdude was talking about. Shaq was great last night.
by Azreous on Dec 7, 2008 12:46 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
He was great
and I loved how they used him too…
He really wasn’t needed much in the 4th anyway since the Jazz didn’t have a post presence. The hoops they got at the rim were from back cuts mostly and not traditional big man post play.
And as JSun said. Diaw was playing great off Amare and Nash. That 3 man game looked solid and with LB in the corner shooting well and Barnes as the other wing threat that’s a unit that can work well as long as the other team isn’t too big.
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by Phoenix Stan on Dec 7, 2008 1:25 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, still don't see a reason for trading Bell.
Great in the lockerroom, great 3 pt shooter(tonight was a bad night), friendly 2010 contract.
As far as Amare, he should be able to produce like this pretty regularly; I’m not talking 20/20, but just effort-wise….
It is a little worrying that Boris still had the better +/- though…
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Dec 7, 2008 12:14 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
For the record - Amare still didn't bring it until the final few minutes
I think what I said was "it was not a good win. It was good not to lose" and not so much b/c of Boozer being out (I’ll take it) but b/c D Will isn’t himself yet. But as JSun said – on the flip side Bell and Nash shot for crap.
With Amare – he had 10 of those rebounds in the final quarter and I will prove tomorrow that many came AFTER he was seen (and I have it on tape) getting his ass severely chewed by Porter during a time out that came at about the 7 min mark. Amare’s D wasn’t energetic and he was repeatedly beat up the floor by his man and/or lost his man coming off screens. The rebounds were better but still didn’t stand out until the final part of the final quarter AFTER Porter was literally in his grill. Still – he responded and closed hard and that was a great sign. Most people will look at the box score and think that Amare delivered and that might mean more than the fact that he didn’t for the first 3 and a quarter quarters.
Fun game though and thanks to JSun for hosting. I am available to sit next to anyone and spew "wisdom" in your ear for 48 minutes which isn’t so great at parties but even worse at basketball games. Thanks for putting up w/ me.
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by Phoenix Stan on Dec 7, 2008 12:27 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Amare
Didnt see the game but was quite ecstatic about the 20 rebounds by our MAN … i though if only he can maintain half of that 10 per game would be really good… but you just sent me back to earth if youre saying he had to to have his ass kicked by Porter before he started rebounding. If true, the question is if Porter can stay on his ass the whole season or until when Amare gets tired of Porter and reverts back
Barbosa had a great game! now its harder to keep on thinking he’s our best trade bait to get an additional big man.
by toto_l2003 on Dec 7, 2008 5:25 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The best part is that the win precedes 2 days of rest! We won't have to live these two days in agony.
Window Closed? Shit, just break it then.
by ZonaFlash on Dec 7, 2008 2:40 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
OK win
no Boozer, makes this win ho-hum. Can’t get to excited over this game.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Dec 7, 2008 7:03 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
After these last 4 games..
I would have been excited if we had beaten the Thunder without Durant and Green.
by brian13 on Dec 7, 2008 8:37 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
me too
Window Closed? Shit, just break it then.
by ZonaFlash on Dec 7, 2008 1:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't buy that
not the way this team is put together.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Dec 7, 2008 2:58 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Milsap more than made up for teh Boozer's absence, so I don't think it's an insignificant victory.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Dec 7, 2008 9:03 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It was a good win
but it wasn’t a game changer in my mind. Utah Boozer or no didn’t play well. This wasn’t a) The Suns blowing out a team not playing well or b) two teams playing great and our team winning.
It was more our team doing just enough not to lose. Don’t get me wrong. I’ll take it. If we had lost this game or even worse blown it after being up 5 with less then a minutes to go… I was literally in the upper deck wondering if people would start jumping off if that had happened.
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by Phoenix Stan on Dec 7, 2008 9:12 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Who is the pessimist now?
I agree. I’ll take the win but Utah played really late the night before, they flew to Phx the same night and they suck at back to backs.
"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"
by PanamaSun on Dec 7, 2008 11:41 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
But the night before
was a blow-out
Granted, they still played, but it wasn’t as if they had just come off a double-OT win against the Lakers
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on Dec 7, 2008 11:53 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs


















