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Signs of Shaq Success

Shaq is here despite my protests so here's the signs I will be looking for that indicate I am wrong and the Shaq gamble is paying off.

Offense:


  • Shaq in the low post. In the low post the Shaqtus is still dominate and can use his big body and low post moves to either draw the double and pass out or score with ease. He will also cause both matchup and foul problems in that role. I don't like this type of basketball at all and consider it "anti-Suns" but I get that there are times where it will be very useful. Mostly against teams that manage to slow down Nash like the Spurs, Hornets and on occasion the Mavs. Shaq in the low post also takes some pressure off Nash to carry the offense himself at key moments.

    For this to be a success it should be used selectively and not become the focus of the the Suns attack.

  • Shaq elsewhere on the floor. This is far more important to me then the above. If Shaq can be successful somewhere other then the low post than I will be both shocked and thrilled. If he can be a threat from the high post and demand at least some attention or if he can be the roll man with Nash then this will be a huge plus.
  • Shaq setting screens. This might take some time to put together, but Shaq can set some awesome screens to free up Amare or a guy like LB or Hill moving without the ball for a feed from Nash or Diaw. Kind of like Utah's precision  passing offense but with a bigger screen and better finishers. This potentially will be deadly and even fun. It won't show up on the stat sheet other then making the players around him better.

    This is the Big Kahuna of Shaq success in the Suns offense.

Defense:
  • Swiftboats. If Shaq is going to be successful on D he needs to show that he can still move his big feet fast enough to get into position and not pick up too many fast fouls. This is very important against Duncan but even more so on help D so that he can block or impact a shot from a penetrating guard like B-Dizzle, D-Will, Parker, Ellis, Manu, AI, Kobe, etc. I still don't get how Shaq is going to help against Utah, GSW or the Lakers playing Gasol at the 5. I do think he could help against Dallas and the Hornets who have non-scoring centers.

    The key stats here are opponents FG% and 3FG%. The Suns were 11th and 3rd in these categories. Will the loss of Marion on the outside be offset by Shaq on the inside? It has to be for this to be called a net plus.

  • Cleaning the glass. This is the Suns biggest weakness and Shaq can certainly help. But folks around here have been telling me that our rebounding problem isn't about size but about effort and as Hawk42 pointed out (rightly) that our guards don't stay home to get the long bounce. Oh, and we just lost our top rebounder. Will Shaq average more then 9.9/game? I think the way this might work best isn't so much Shaq getting boards as much as him taking up space so Amare, Diaw, Hill and the boys grab more.

    Bottom line, I will be watching to see what happens with our league worst -6 TREB Diff and -6.3 FGA's. If the ShaqSuns can cut this diff in half then with our superior FG% we should improve a lot (assuming we don't tank in the opp FG%).

  • Toughness. This is the one area where I am fairly sure that Shaq can and will help. Remember when Phx played Miami early in the year and Shaq was pissed about their losing streak? He dished out some serious punishment on Amare and even knocked down his buddy Hill and managed to get Shaq-like treatment from the ref's while do so. If he can bring that to this team and lay some wood when its called for it can totally change the character of this team in a way we haven't seen since Barkley's days.

    The only measure here is in wins. Playoff wins. And rings.



What signs will you be looking for to see if Shaq's arrival is a success?

Post your thoughts in the comments and we will add them to the list above.

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Nash
The argument that Shaq takes stress off of Nash is probably the most important impact.  I often watch the end of the game, with Nash trying two or three pick and rolls while ballhandling and being hounded and wonder how any mortal person has that much energy.  Nothing happens in the Suns offense without Nash sprinting, dishing, and shooting.  Now, Nash can take dozens of possessions off, where he can stand on the three point line and let Shaq draw a double and swing it, or whatever else may happen.  Nash's energy level and effectiveness in late-game situations will only increase.  

by SilverSprings on Feb 12, 2008 10:18 AM MST reply actions  

Great point
I also think that the Suns were improving in this area already. Many times this year that key final shot wasn't a pick and roll but it was Hill (or Marion) for a something else.

The Suns also were making progress running the offense through Hill or Diaw with Nash on the floor more as a shooter.

But Shaq just adds to this. Of course late in the game its going to be hard to give Shaq the ball in the post b/c of his poor free throw shooting...

Phoenix - where bitter happens

by Seth Pollack on Feb 12, 2008 10:26 AM MST up reply actions  

On Free Throw Shooting
He's get a fair amount of "and ones" simply because its hard to stop him from scoring when he's only a couple of feet out.

And, his free throw shooting only comes into play when he's touching the ball.  Recall the "Shaq Rule" (or is it the Duncan Rule) that if you don't foul the guy with the ball, you get two shots and the ball?  

It is still a bit of a liability, though.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Feb 12, 2008 11:31 AM MST up reply actions  

Reggie Miller on Shaq's FT's
On the radio this morning I heard Reggie make a great point that what Shaq does is get the other team in the penalty earlier in the quarter which leads to more overall team FTA's. This was an interesting point I hadn't heard before.

And yes, its called the Shaq rule but it only comes into play in final 2 minutes of the game (someone pls confirm that).

Phoenix - where bitter happens

by Seth Pollack on Feb 12, 2008 12:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Shaq's FT's
Heh, long time lurker, first time poster.

I heard on the radio (Bickley and MJ maybe?) where they made the comparison of Shaq shooting a freethrow with a basketball to a regular person shooting with a tennis ball. Yah, uhm, kinda difficult!

by KJ7 on Feb 12, 2008 3:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Welcome!
We always love more people chatting around here. We hope you post often!

That comment on Shaq's FT was actually from Jon Barry on ESPN the other night. We noted it here:

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/story/2008/2/11/102128/923

Be sure to enter the contest to win the Shaq Jersey

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by Seth Pollack on Feb 12, 2008 5:16 PM MST up reply actions  

hey KJ7
yep, heard this also, I always thought it was a simple cross-eyed thing with shaq, but the hand size argument really makes a strong case. Nice to have you here.. Should be a great few weeks watching the suns here, nice to see the players so excited, very interesting..

by jasonsuns1 on Feb 12, 2008 5:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Yao
I wonder if this means that Yao Ming has small hands b/c that guy is lights out from FT. 7'6" and small "hands". That would suck.
Phoenix - where bitter happens

by Seth Pollack on Feb 12, 2008 5:21 PM MST up reply actions  

Free throw accuracy
That's an interesting description.  If true, think of how you would have more control in getting a tennis ball through a cylinder.  How would you do it?  Underhanded.  I often wondered why Shaq didn't resort to shooting FTs underhanded.
'07-'08 Suns: It's clobberin' time!

by Hawk42 on Feb 12, 2008 5:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Please, Oh dear Lord, Please
I would give my left arm to see Shaq shoot granny-style free throws.
Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Feb 12, 2008 5:25 PM MST up reply actions  

adjustments
This is why our beloved wide open 7 seconds or less was not a failure that couldn't win championships.  It had become too predictable.

But it became a race:  could we make the necessary adjustments before our window of opportunity closed?  The JJ debacle, the Amare MF, those events took all of the time away.  If we had the 05 team with a role player or two and three years of playing together, we would have won it.

'07-'08 Suns: It's clobberin' time!

by Hawk42 on Feb 12, 2008 12:25 PM MST up reply actions  

Rebounding
saying that the rebounding issue was about "effort" is, I'm sorry, ridiculous. Effort will cause a small separation in rebounding. Lack of effort will not result in being dead last in offensive rebounding.  How about the fact that the Suns differential is offensive rebounding is three times as much as the second to worst team in that category?  They give up six more offensive rebounds than they get. Six!  That's six more chances for a team to score per game! And those are usually close to the basket misses. You can talk all you want about going to the ball on long rebounds, but 90% of offensive boards are created in the paint. Shaq's an immediate improvement in this area.

Also, I agree on the toughness factor. Robert Horry isn't going to be pulling that on Nash with Shaq on the team, because he demands that kind of respect.

by hardwoodparoxysm on Feb 12, 2008 11:00 AM MST reply actions  

I agree completely
I have said since last year that we need a big center to rebound and that size does matter but lots of folks round here argued the other side.

Of course, I had other ideas how to get that size w.o taking on $40m in cap space but I promised to try and not go back to that unhappy place.

So, now we have size galore and it has to translate to rebounding stats. Which means the big fella has to be on the court enough to matter.

Phoenix - where bitter happens

by Seth Pollack on Feb 12, 2008 12:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Effort?
remember the old AZ lottery slogan, you can't win if you don't play?  well, the Suns of recent years have conceded the offensive rebounds.  Offensive rebounding is technique and positioning.  Also, you won't get any O-rebounds if you shoot the ball with 4 opposition players under the basket.  I can't tell you how many times I see that.

Now that rebound by Boris against the wiz - that was a thing of beauty.  when have you ever seen him do that before?

'07-'08 Suns: It's clobberin' time!

by Hawk42 on Feb 12, 2008 12:34 PM MST up reply actions  

my wife and I
are constantly ticked off about that, again and again, 3-4 opposing players are under the basket, and our offensive player throws up a shot and starts going back before the shot goes in? I know we're pushing speed, but there's effort and lack of effort....then the suns new category which is neither of the above...which is....I don't care about the rebound, we're too good an offensive team to care (which actually works often...even a lot), and the side angle of, if its the end of a close game, then we'll try and rebound. But the problem with that idea, other teams are simply going to be better at rebounding at the end because they're trying to rebound all game, where we're out of practice rebounding because we simply let it go. weird....

by jasonsuns1 on Feb 12, 2008 12:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Shaq
He might not be his old dominant self... but I did have a dream last night that he did an arm in the rim dunk (like Vince Carter) during a game... Don't know what that means... haha

by whatisboxhappening on Feb 12, 2008 11:11 AM MST reply actions  

CAN YOU DIG IT?
This trade is going to be a lot like the entire season--the playoff result is the only thing that matters  (this is the only real downside of being a fan of a team that is a legitimate title contender,  those regular season games start to lose a little meaning).

I think we fans are going to have to be prepared for some initial struggles as the schedule gets decidedly tougher and the team works to integrate  Shaq and figure out who is going to get steals and deflections and defend the perimeter.

Too bad there is only one game left with the hated Lakers, I would have liked to see Shaq at the Staples, maybe for the playoff, eh?  

by SoCalSun on Feb 12, 2008 5:11 PM MST reply actions  

yep
good point about the playoffs and what fans look forward to. It would be a huge game to beat the lakers after losing so badly the last few meetings. Especially with gasol there (of course - bynum).

by jasonsuns1 on Feb 12, 2008 5:21 PM MST up reply actions  

Marion as a Heat
Iteresting game tonight from Marion.   He had 23 and 18.  If he had played like that with Phoenix, the Suns would have a better record than Boston.  I think  it was time for Marion to go.

by OneSunsFan on Feb 13, 2008 3:22 AM MST reply actions  

Shawn stats
I'd say.  That's 38 and 32 in two games.  One must point out that with Haslem out, he is the only rebounder.  Still, he is playing with a new lease on life.  why he couldn't do that with us, I'll never know.  Joe Johnson syndrome.

Also - the team lost (most important stat)

'07-'08 Suns: It's clobberin' time!

by Hawk42 on Feb 13, 2008 5:31 AM MST reply actions  

Yup
stat's like these are inflated by playing with uh...lesser players. Although Marion is playing well and hard but that's expected after a trade.
Phoenix - where bitter happens

by Seth Pollack on Feb 13, 2008 7:09 AM MST up reply actions  

Miami objectives
This is what Miami has to do this year:
  1.  Develop Dorel Wright
  2.  Have Wade play pain free the rest of the year
  3.  Find out if Marcus Banks can be their starting PG
  4.  Find out if they want to give Marion a long term contract - they must evaluate them in the context of a long term running mate with Wade, not as someone that is piling up stats to get a big contract
  5.  Don't mess up their draft status by winning a bunch of games
  6.  Kick themselves for letting Jason Kapono go to Toronto
  7.  Congratulate themselves for convincing Kerr to take Banks off his hands instead of giving him the draft choice
  8.  Beat Atlanta three times (from the Suns' point of view)
'07-'08 Suns: It's clobberin' time!

by Hawk42 on Feb 13, 2008 9:44 AM MST up reply actions  

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