Signs of Shaq Success
Shaq is here despite my protests so here's the signs I will be looking for that indicate I am wrong and the Shaq gamble is paying off.
Offense:
- Shaq in the low post. In the low post the Shaqtus is still dominate and can use his big body and low post moves to either draw the double and pass out or score with ease. He will also cause both matchup and foul problems in that role. I don't like this type of basketball at all and consider it "anti-Suns" but I get that there are times where it will be very useful. Mostly against teams that manage to slow down Nash like the Spurs, Hornets and on occasion the Mavs. Shaq in the low post also takes some pressure off Nash to carry the offense himself at key moments.
For this to be a success it should be used selectively and not become the focus of the the Suns attack.
- Shaq elsewhere on the floor. This is far more important to me then the above. If Shaq can be successful somewhere other then the low post than I will be both shocked and thrilled. If he can be a threat from the high post and demand at least some attention or if he can be the roll man with Nash then this will be a huge plus.
- Shaq setting screens. This might take some time to put together, but Shaq can set some awesome screens to free up Amare or a guy like LB or Hill moving without the ball for a feed from Nash or Diaw. Kind of like Utah's precision passing offense but with a bigger screen and better finishers. This potentially will be deadly and even fun. It won't show up on the stat sheet other then making the players around him better.
This is the Big Kahuna of Shaq success in the Suns offense.
- Swiftboats. If Shaq is going to be successful on D he needs to show that he can still move his big feet fast enough to get into position and not pick up too many fast fouls. This is very important against Duncan but even more so on help D so that he can block or impact a shot from a penetrating guard like B-Dizzle, D-Will, Parker, Ellis, Manu, AI, Kobe, etc. I still don't get how Shaq is going to help against Utah, GSW or the Lakers playing Gasol at the 5. I do think he could help against Dallas and the Hornets who have non-scoring centers.
The key stats here are opponents FG% and 3FG%. The Suns were 11th and 3rd in these categories. Will the loss of Marion on the outside be offset by Shaq on the inside? It has to be for this to be called a net plus.
- Cleaning the glass. This is the Suns biggest weakness and Shaq can certainly help. But folks around here have been telling me that our rebounding problem isn't about size but about effort and as Hawk42 pointed out (rightly) that our guards don't stay home to get the long bounce. Oh, and we just lost our top rebounder. Will Shaq average more then 9.9/game? I think the way this might work best isn't so much Shaq getting boards as much as him taking up space so Amare, Diaw, Hill and the boys grab more.
Bottom line, I will be watching to see what happens with our league worst -6 TREB Diff and -6.3 FGA's. If the ShaqSuns can cut this diff in half then with our superior FG% we should improve a lot (assuming we don't tank in the opp FG%).
- Toughness. This is the one area where I am fairly sure that Shaq can and will help. Remember when Phx played Miami early in the year and Shaq was pissed about their losing streak? He dished out some serious punishment on Amare and even knocked down his buddy Hill and managed to get Shaq-like treatment from the ref's while do so. If he can bring that to this team and lay some wood when its called for it can totally change the character of this team in a way we haven't seen since Barkley's days.
The only measure here is in wins. Playoff wins. And rings.
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Nash
by SilverSprings on Feb 12, 2008 10:18 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Great point
The Suns also were making progress running the offense through Hill or Diaw with Nash on the floor more as a shooter.
But Shaq just adds to this. Of course late in the game its going to be hard to give Shaq the ball in the post b/c of his poor free throw shooting...
by Phoenix Stan on Feb 12, 2008 10:26 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
On Free Throw Shooting
And, his free throw shooting only comes into play when he's touching the ball. Recall the "Shaq Rule" (or is it the Duncan Rule) that if you don't foul the guy with the ball, you get two shots and the ball?
It is still a bit of a liability, though.
by JSun on Feb 12, 2008 11:31 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Reggie Miller on Shaq's FT's
And yes, its called the Shaq rule but it only comes into play in final 2 minutes of the game (someone pls confirm that).
by Phoenix Stan on Feb 12, 2008 12:14 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Shaq's FT's
I heard on the radio (Bickley and MJ maybe?) where they made the comparison of Shaq shooting a freethrow with a basketball to a regular person shooting with a tennis ball. Yah, uhm, kinda difficult!
by KJ7 on Feb 12, 2008 3:56 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome!
That comment on Shaq's FT was actually from Jon Barry on ESPN the other night. We noted it here:
http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/story/2008/2/11/102128/923
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by Phoenix Stan on Feb 12, 2008 5:16 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
hey KJ7
by jasonsuns1 on Feb 12, 2008 5:18 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yao
by Phoenix Stan on Feb 12, 2008 5:21 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Free throw accuracy
by Hawk42 on Feb 12, 2008 5:22 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Please, Oh dear Lord, Please
by JSun on Feb 12, 2008 5:25 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
adjustments
But it became a race: could we make the necessary adjustments before our window of opportunity closed? The JJ debacle, the Amare MF, those events took all of the time away. If we had the 05 team with a role player or two and three years of playing together, we would have won it.
by Hawk42 on Feb 12, 2008 12:25 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Rebounding
Also, I agree on the toughness factor. Robert Horry isn't going to be pulling that on Nash with Shaq on the team, because he demands that kind of respect.
by hardwoodparoxysm on Feb 12, 2008 11:00 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I agree completely
Of course, I had other ideas how to get that size w.o taking on $40m in cap space but I promised to try and not go back to that unhappy place.
So, now we have size galore and it has to translate to rebounding stats. Which means the big fella has to be on the court enough to matter.
by Phoenix Stan on Feb 12, 2008 12:16 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Effort?
Now that rebound by Boris against the wiz - that was a thing of beauty. when have you ever seen him do that before?
by Hawk42 on Feb 12, 2008 12:34 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
my wife and I
by jasonsuns1 on Feb 12, 2008 12:43 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Shaq
by whatisboxhappening on Feb 12, 2008 11:11 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
CAN YOU DIG IT?
I think we fans are going to have to be prepared for some initial struggles as the schedule gets decidedly tougher and the team works to integrate Shaq and figure out who is going to get steals and deflections and defend the perimeter.
Too bad there is only one game left with the hated Lakers, I would have liked to see Shaq at the Staples, maybe for the playoff, eh?
by SoCalSun on Feb 12, 2008 5:11 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
yep
by jasonsuns1 on Feb 12, 2008 5:21 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Marion as a Heat
by OneSunsFan on Feb 13, 2008 3:22 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Shawn stats
Also - the team lost (most important stat)
by Hawk42 on Feb 13, 2008 5:31 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Yup
by Phoenix Stan on Feb 13, 2008 7:09 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Miami objectives
- Develop Dorel Wright
- Have Wade play pain free the rest of the year
- Find out if Marcus Banks can be their starting PG
- Find out if they want to give Marion a long term contract - they must evaluate them in the context of a long term running mate with Wade, not as someone that is piling up stats to get a big contract
- Don't mess up their draft status by winning a bunch of games
- Kick themselves for letting Jason Kapono go to Toronto
- Congratulate themselves for convincing Kerr to take Banks off his hands instead of giving him the draft choice
- Beat Atlanta three times (from the Suns' point of view)
by Hawk42 on Feb 13, 2008 9:44 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

















