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Gotta Love the Chuckster

Here's Suns legend and the most entertaining sports personality, weighing in politically, with Wolf Blitzer on CNN.

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Barkley
I don't have to love him.  He's an idiot.  He makes about as much sense as that UCLA pre-law student saying "OJ should be aquitted even if he is guilty because of the symbolic impact for the black people who have been treated wrongly by the justice system".
'07-'08 Suns: It's clobberin' time!

by Hawk42 on Feb 16, 2008 3:53 PM MST   0 recs

obviously...
that must have struck a nerve with you. Barkley may be an idiot at times, but he's also entertaining, and most importantly he's a "LEGEND." The Chuckster is also a hell of a lot brighter than the Bush administration, well then again that's not saying much. That would be like taking candy from a baby.

by Aluminum Foyle on Feb 16, 2008 6:29 PM MST to parent up   0 recs

Sir Charles the Idiot
Well to be sure, this is a sports blog, but it drives me nuts to hear people like Barkley spouting off about things they know nothing about.  He's no Legend.  He's just a person like you or me born with extraordinary physical talents.  He can either be a consumate champion like David Robinson, or use his platform to be a useful fool, like he has done.  It is no virtue to speak your mind when it is empty.  I can overlook you, since I know nothing about you.  But Chuck has no credibility with me.  To say he is brighter than anyone in government is laughable.  He is not entertaining to me in the least.  Nothing he says makes sense.  He can't string two coherent sentences together.  He is wildly inconsistent in his positions, and the only thing he ever said that I agree with is when he said, "I have no character". Talk about a Freudian slip.
'07-'08 Suns: It's clobberin' time!

by Hawk42 on Feb 18, 2008 5:38 AM MST to parent up   0 recs

This is ridiculous
If "knowing what you're talking about" were a requirement for speaking about politics, then maybe one tenth of a percent of the population could speak. In fact, to be honest, I would say that if you lack a graduate degree in economics, government, business, policy, or law (from a fairly presitigious school), then you should probably be cursed to silence, and even if you had the degree, you could probably only speak about one or two particular subjects. And lord knows our president, he of the mighty 1206 SAT score (way to be, Yale admissions!), could not speak about anything, except maybe himself.

So thank goodness one does not have to be an expert to speak about politics (or basketball, for that matter) and thank even more goodness for people like Charles Barkley. For while it is likely true he does not grasp the finer points (or even many of the coarser points) of political science or any other relevant subject, he is, at least, and always has been honest, which is far more than you can say about most (all?) politicians.

Finally, let's not forget that Charles Barkley, being a US citizen and all, does have a vote and, therefore, his political opinions, like yours or mine, are always relevant.

G

by rosewood on Feb 18, 2008 11:18 AM MST to parent up   0 recs

We have created a monster
No, you don't have to have those things to 'Know what you are talking about'.  Of course not.  That would be absurd.   There are just as many idiots in colleges as in the general population.  Look at the guy who shot up Virginia Tech.  But when someone constantly contradicts themselves, breaks every rule of logic, ignores facts on the ground, and injects foolish blanket judgements into his interviews, that person does not qualify as someone to be listened to.

What makes you think that Charles is 'honest'?  do you know him?  This society has a strange idea of the definition of 'Honesty'.  they seem to think if a person is outspoken and goes against the grain, he is 'honest'.  the last time I checked the dictionary, I saw that honesty is a loyalty to the truth, and not obfuscation.

I find it laughable and hypocritical that folks require a level of honesty and openness with public officials that they could never achieve themselves.  I am not defending politicians, but they are people subject to pressures, and how is that any different than any of us?  The media is amazingly dishonest.  My wife teaches high school, and the level of cheating is at an all time high.  Kids don't even bother to hide it anymore.  If you work at a large corporation, you see how little value is placed on honesty vs. the corporate line.  Cops in Berkley look the other way when marine families are attacked.  Yet people have somehow determined that one demographic is less honest than another.  And youu somehow have determined that a voice on the TV is honest simply because of what?

You miss the point about freedom of speech, as well as most of America.  Sure, everyone is guaranteed freedom of speech.  But not everyone is guaranteed the right to be listened to.  That is a privelege that is earned by reputation and character.  Charles has been accorded that privelege due to his status as a celebrity.  What hass he done with it?  Used it as a platform to spread his inane and unsupportable opinions, when a little kid says, daddy, why did Charles say the word Viagra?

Of course the media does all of this, and most of them have some measure of postsecondary schooling, but I'm not takling about them.  Just Charles.

And hang it up about the Bush bashing.  As if test scores were everything.  Clinton was a Rhodes scholar, and he did nothing except set up 9-11.  Character makes a leader, not test scores.  Charles says, I am not a role model, then proceeds to demonstrate the truth of his statement.  Most of these athletes struggle to get 800 on the SAT.  They don't need a test score.  They play basketball for gosh sakes.  Then when they stop playing, we put a microphone in front of them.  Whose fault is that?

'07-'08 Suns: It's clobberin' time!

by Hawk42 on Feb 18, 2008 12:07 PM MST to parent up   0 recs

Geez you sound pissed off...
maybe watchin the Chuckster at his finest will make you feel better.  Enjoy Charles the Cobra

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by Aluminum Foyle on Feb 18, 2008 6:34 PM MST to parent up   0 recs

That was so eff'n hilarious...
"I am not a role model. A million guys can dunk a basketball in jail, should they be role models?" - Charles Barkley

by kcbrett5 on Feb 19, 2008 10:01 AM MST to parent up   0 recs

Hypocrisy
As Hawk points out, Chuck has to be one of the most absolute hypocritical people in the media.  This is coming from someone who has read both of his books: I'm actually fairly suprised he even dresses himself.  A few examples
His TV Claim- Conservatives are "fake christians" because they "judge people".
  1. I consider it Ironic that he has a problems with christians judging people, and yet he is acting as judge and jury on conservatives
  2.  In "Whose afraid of a big black man" Charles lauds Clarence Thomas (more or less the most conservative man in America) as a role model and example for all americans, white or black
  3.  I also consider it hypocritical for a man who spit, hit and constantly flipped off fans to be talking about ethics.
If you've read 7 Seconds or Less, you've read when D'Antoni and the rest of the Suns are so sick of Barkely that they progressively tear down all of the posters and pictures of him in AWA and shove them in a closet. I suggest all suns fans follow D'Antoni's example

by UASun on Feb 19, 2008 12:17 PM MST to parent up   0 recs

So Why Can't I Get on CNN?
It's agreed that Charles is permitted to say what he thinks no matter how uneducated he is on a subject, but the issue is why the hell is he on a political show?

Rosewood, I'd be willing to bet you're better educated on more of the important subjects than is the Chuckster.  So, why shouldn't you be on a national political show?  Why shouldn't I?

This stuff should be reserved for persons who actually know what they're talking about.  No, I'm not for censoring who can appear on certain shows, and it's certainly CNN's call (or whatever program wants to put whoever on).  The point is that it's all just stupid.  All the way around.

My main problem with him talking (or George Clooney or Ted Nugent) politics is that there are so many stupid person out there who listen simply because he's a celebrity.

The Letterman stuff is good, though.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Feb 19, 2008 11:07 AM MST to parent up   0 recs

Ironically...
Sir Charles has publicly stated -- on numerous occasions -- that he thought that OJ killed both Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman.

"Hell yeah, he did it.  OJ's guilty as sin!"

                                - Charles Barkley

"I am not a role model. A million guys can dunk a basketball in jail, should they be role models?" - Charles Barkley

by kcbrett5 on Feb 16, 2008 6:35 PM MST to parent up   0 recs

Not the point
That wasn't the point.  The point was the error in giving credibility to someone simply because of their race and some fictitious symbolism. That this emotionalism should outshine the facts of guilt or whether someone is a qualified candidate that is good for our country is a travesty.
'07-'08 Suns: It's clobberin' time!

by Hawk42 on Feb 18, 2008 5:45 AM MST to parent up   0 recs

I understood your point the first time
Just communicating the irony of the situation.

That's all.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go soak in my hot tub and relax.

"I am not a role model. A million guys can dunk a basketball in jail, should they be role models?" - Charles Barkley

by kcbrett5 on Feb 18, 2008 8:14 PM MST to parent up   0 recs

Chuckster
He cracks me up.

by brian13 on Feb 16, 2008 5:51 PM MST   0 recs

The second part of the interview
The second part of the interview proved his point as to the first part.

He said that he wants to see more black role models who are not athletes.  He wants to promote education, etc.  Then ... he says he's going to vote Democrat "no matter what" even though he claims to "really like" John McCain (for some, un-expressed reason) and fails to tell anyone why (he could have, for example, said he likes Obama's position on the military operations around the world).  He then rambles on and on, and I'm not really sure what he was saying.  He is a great basketball player and analyst.  If he wants to run for office, he should take some classes on making speeches.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Feb 17, 2008 8:26 AM MST   0 recs

Hugely Entertaining
This is much more entertaining.  Why can't he stick to this stuff?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBzo-PdFT0g

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Feb 17, 2008 8:34 AM MST   0 recs

pt 2
Ok, as you know I'm not a barkley fan, but this youtube - letterman interview was good, I liked him on it, he was much nicer, funnier also. and on the ads with wade, mostly I don't like those ads, but I did like the part where barkley says "and thats why I don't eat shrimp"... The part where he says clinton is a great candidate, couldn't disagree more, but Obama, I like him.

by jasonsuns1 on Feb 17, 2008 9:42 PM MST to parent up   0 recs

Loved this quote from that clip...
"I never bet that much money on a sporting event unless I was in it."
"I am not a role model. A million guys can dunk a basketball in jail, should they be role models?" - Charles Barkley

by kcbrett5 on Feb 19, 2008 10:04 AM MST to parent up   0 recs

More Barkley talk
As much as I hate adding fuel to this fire, it looks like AZCentral has gone Barkley on us as well:

Barkley vs. the Suns:
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/0218barkleyside.html

Barkley vs. Shaq:
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/0218sunsshaq.html

[cringing in the corner...]

by TexSUN on Feb 18, 2008 10:30 PM MST   0 recs

the first article
Barkley vs suns

I really liked it, some great points, the one about marion and amare and the jealousy of the attention nash gets, it really makes some sense. It's quite funny though, that amare and marion care so much about their rep when it's Nash, the person who doesn't care how he is viewed, that has one of the only good reps in the nba, funny.

Some really good points, for me though, with amare, jury is out until he plays 2 weeks in his natural position. In hindsight, for amare's suspension, he should've gone over to horry and kicked his ass.
And diaw...he could've served pastries...f-ing french. Why couldn't we get the mean head butting soccer player french guy instead of the soft, sleep with all the idiot teenagers of phx guy?

If I see one more picture of diaw half naked with 5-10 young phx girls, he looks like an idiot,

by jasonsuns1 on Feb 19, 2008 9:56 AM MST to parent up   0 recs

I smell envy....
Phoenix - where bitter happens

by Phoenix Stan on Feb 19, 2008 10:32 AM MST to parent up   0 recs

Envy?
Are you sure that's what you smell?  I smell fish.

Charles is right-on about Amare's rebounding.  Really, he is.  The dude's huge.  Maybe not freakishly Shaq, Yao or Howard huge, but he's a big guy.  There's no reason that he shouldn't be averaging ten rebounds a game.  

Some of the other stuff ... I don't know.  I do like, though, that Charles says what he thinks and usually admits when he's been wrong (like with GSW last year).  Maybe he's not always right, but (in basketball) he's right more often than he's wrong, and at least he gives his opinions rather than fence-riding babbling.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Feb 19, 2008 11:12 AM MST to parent up   0 recs

criticism of STAT
There's only so many rebounds to go around.  I have documented in another diary that the Suns rebounding problems stem from getting nothing from the 1-3 positions, and that Shawns were hustle rebounds, not camp out-in-the lane-and block-out rebounds.  For what its worth, no two man combo has averaged more rebounds than Shawn and STAT the last two years.  If Shawn wasn't on the Suns the last 5 years, STAT would have been averaging 10 or more easy.  Charles' criticism is misplaced.  When he was with the Suns, he averaged 11 or 12, and Chambers or West were second at 5 or 6 per game.  Shut up Charles.
'07-'08 Suns: It's clobberin' time!

by Hawk42 on Feb 21, 2008 8:01 AM MST to parent up   0 recs

no
simple comparison, Nash, Bell, etc are consisitently
hard workers, you don't see them partying all the time

diaw, (do you have an argument against this? I doubt it) is very inconsistent, it could be said that his disappearing act caused us a chance at the title last yr.

I'm just saying, he's not serious about basketball, he's too busy thinking of himself, envy...no...

It's a mistake to think every man thinks with his di.. first.., just most men maybe..

by jasonsuns1 on Feb 19, 2008 12:35 PM MST to parent up   0 recs

The moose is loose
I feel for you, Tex.  I didn't mean to get into it this deep, but that Wolf Blitzer interview had me steamed, and combine that with the teenage girls at a Beatles concert-like swooning over Obama, and I keep thinking I wish we didn't just put our brains in neutral.

Charles certainly gives us something to talk about.

'07-'08 Suns: It's clobberin' time!

by Hawk42 on Feb 20, 2008 5:20 AM MST to parent up   0 recs

only for 12 more hours
then its GAME ON!!
Phoenix - where bitter happens

by Phoenix Stan on Feb 20, 2008 6:45 AM MST to parent up   0 recs

Charles is an idiot
There are somethings in life which I feel are too obvious to detail with empirical evidence, and this is one of them.  

by UASun on Feb 19, 2008 12:09 PM MST   0 recs

I swear...
it seems like a few of you think of the Chuckster as the devil or something. No doubt he's an idiot, he's a goofball, but he's never one to shy away from speaking his mind, whether he is right or wrong. He is not afraid to be wrong, and if he is, he will admit it. Not too many people have the balls to admit they're wrong. He is anything but status quo, which is what I think some of you haters don't like about him. He's different, just like Shaq, aka "The Big Cactus." I thought every Suns fan would hold Sir Charles with high regard, since he was the first MVP of the Suns franchise. He was the guy who led the Suns to the last NBA Finals this franchise has been to. And if you think of who is the greatest player in Suns history, I think Charles Barkley is at or the near the top of everyone's list.

by Aluminum Foyle on Feb 19, 2008 8:28 PM MST   0 recs

on charles
my thoughts to your comments... i agree with barely anyone ever admits they're wrong, and that is a rare and great quality, one i will always try to achieve (and that barkley has some of this in him, but I haven't followed him closely enough to say in more detail, just in what I've seen from him) I disagree with barkley being at the top of everyone's list, he's in the top 5-10, without question, but the team he joined (the suns in the early 90's) was already very good, chambers, kj, etc. I'd put KJ, Alvin Adams, Walter Davis, DJ, Marjlee, Nash, Marion, Heard, at the top. Barkley might easily have been the best player we've ever had, but he didn't bring us a championship, and he only played with us briefly, but...I do put him in the group above. Also Connie Hawkins, and Paul Westphal, ...my bet is Hawkins was a better player than Barkley, just didn't play in the nba for a few years sadly. I think there is an important thing about barkley, it's this. Even if I don't like him, I know enough to know when I agree with him, and when I don't..I don't hate everything he does. Barkley's comments from the recent az republic article about the suns weaknesses, etc were right on the money. And personally, to hear about the jealously thing, with amare - marion - nash, that was very interesting to hear about, and it makes a lot of sense, the attention and recognition nash got over those 2 years as mvp beat out anything any suns player has ever done (my guess). And both Marion and Amare, as many players in the nba are stronger, faster, etc than nash, but that's the beauty of nash, he doesn't have the general basketball players advantages, but he's able to play unselfishly, and smart, and it's quite simply something many nba players won't do. I don't think Nash is the best player in the nba, never have, I think his unselfishness was a perfect fit for the 2005 team, plus that team's chemisty was great, should be a fun couple of weeks to watch,

by jasonsuns1 on Feb 19, 2008 10:34 PM MST to parent up   0 recs

Just because he's a Suns MVP, I don't have to like
I like Nash's character, though.  I don't agree with all of his positions, though. I am a lifelong Suns fan, and I never liked Charles.  I cringed when he came to the Suns.  I admit it, I am a character guy.  A man thaat spits on a crowd of people is not very high on my list of people held in high regard.  I don't hate the guy.  But this tendency we have in this country to put sports heroes on a larger than life pedestal bothers me to no end.  Sure I was glad when they went to the Finals.  But I enjoyed the Finals experience more when it was all about Team in 1976.

"Speaking your mind" is not a virtue if there's nothing in it.  Better be thought a fool, than to open your mouth, and remove all doubt.

'07-'08 Suns: It's clobberin' time!

by Hawk42 on Feb 20, 2008 5:30 AM MST to parent up   0 recs

well said

by jasonsuns1 on Feb 20, 2008 12:28 PM MST to parent up   0 recs

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