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Hornets Sweep Suns 120-103 (Look Out Below)

OK. I've been trying to stay positive about this. Even though I hated the Shaq trade to high heaven when it happened, and can still only bring myself to say "I'm resigned to it", I've tried to keep my mouth shut as much as possible lately and just see how it plays out. After all, it's only been a week. The Suns were bound to struggle a little trying to work such an enormous new piece into their system. It's going to take time. I know it, they know it. But this just caught me on the wrong day, so here goes...

Let's look at the teams the Suns would probably like to avoid in the playoffs, based on how their recent matchups with them have gone:

  • Spurs
  • Lakers
  • Warriors
  • Hornets
On some days, you can probably even add the Jazz and the Mavericks to that list. So I guess if we can just play the Yao-less Rockets for three rounds, we might actually make it to the Finals. Yippee!

I hope what we're seeing is just a temporary thing that will right itself as we get closer to playoffs. I hope I'm feasting on a Shaq-sized plate of crow while the Suns are strolling downtown in a parade some 1000 miles to the west of me in June. I hope in a week, someone points to this post and laughs at how little faith I showed in our guys tonight. But right now, the Suns just look spent to me. Absolutely drained and void of any and all passion. There is nothing about the game tonight nor the one on Sunday, or even the win last night that says "future champions" to me. Two outright "ownings" in a four-day span is bad no matter how you look at it.

So what happened tonight? Well, the Suns played better than they did on Sunday. I'll start there. At least it looked like there were two teams in the building. To some degree, they just got outplayed this time. Way too much David West. Way too much Janerro Pargo. Way too much Tyson Chandler. Way too much Chris Paul. Part of the problem is that CP3 absolutely owns the matchup with Steve Nash. Maybe it will look altogether different if these two teams meet up in the playoffs, but right now, I'd say four out of four makes that a fair assumption at this point. And since such a huge part of what the Suns do is made possible by having one of the best point guards in the league, losing that matchup puts them at a disadvantage from the start. But I'm not going to lay all of this on Nash. It takes five guys to play defense, and the Suns once again gave up a 50%+ shooting night to their opponent. Where I used to get frustrated at the Suns for getting the initial stop but failing to get the rebound, now I'm screaming at the TV because we don't get the stop in the first place. Oh the joys of being a Suns fan...

I realize I'm probably jumping the gun here. The Suns aren't as bad as they looked tonight, and they're not as bad as they looked on Sunday either. It's not the end of the world, and the sky is not falling. I get it. But as I said earlier, this just caught me on the wrong night and that rant I've been holding back for four days finally spilled out. Thanks for listening.

Player of the Game: West, Pargo, Paul, or Chandler. Take your pick.

Runner-Up: Me, for taking the recap duties on what was supposed to be my night "off", only to be subjected to this ugh-fest.

One Final Note: I'm not sure Nash's terrible shooting night (1-6) can be entirely credited to Chris Paul's defense. Nash even struggled at the free throw line, and by "struggled", I mean it looked like it took tremendous effort for him just to get it to the rim on a couple of those. In fact, two of them actually clanked off the front iron. That just doesn't happen. Nothing was said on the broadcast (Hornets announcers for us League Pass folks), but I'll certainly be watching the news closely for any mention of an injury. But that just lets Nash off the hook, if that's the case. The rest of my rant still stands.

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on suns - trade- shaq - etc
I'm sure a;; that know me know I' excited about the suns and shaq, etc. But these last 2 big loses even make me wonder if the trade was the right move. I think Marion did need to be traded, but now after starting to see some things, I'm beginning to wonder if we couldn't gone with a much younger player. I hope I'm wrong, but right now, the suns fell like they're in a free fall, and we'll be lucky to stay in the playoffs. Granted this team might be much better in 4-5 weeks, but the standings are so close,
we can't afford to lose like this. The last 2 years where, even though we didn't win a title, I always felt we had a good chance against any team, now, not so sure....pretty scary really. What's the saying...I picked a bad time to quit smoking, well, I picked a bad time to buy nba league pass. I just was too excited after the laker/celtic games so I put in the order to switch from fios to direct tv and get nba league pass, and now, not feeling as confident, ...

by jasonsuns1 on Feb 27, 2008 9:51 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

For some reason
this team looks like it's completely lost its SWAG.

by rsavaj on Feb 27, 2008 9:56 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

The Big Sucktus
I hate to say it, but I think the Suns are fucked. I think they really miss having Iavaroni on the bench, and I think this might be D'Antoni's last year.

Shaq (dubbed "an unmoveable player" due to his declining skills and contract) never presented much of a problem for us when we played the Heat (they've beaten us since we got Nash like what, once?) and now we think he's our missing piece?

D'Antoni says that Shaq needs to adjust to us, which takes him to the high post. He can't do anything from that area. He's not Amare. He missed countless shots in these past few games from 5 feet and under. He's certainly not going to be doing any spin moves around people. About the only thing he can do is set a screen for Nash and then have Nash move the ball to Amare when Amare's guy leaves to cover Shaq. But Nash's assists are down with Shaq on the floor, because that's not our game. Typically, Nash probes the defense by driving in the lane and not picking up his dribble, and then passes off to a shooter or to Amare on a pick-and-roll. But now Nash has nowhere to go with the ball, which leads to turnovers or contested shots.

Nash hasn't looked his usual self, but could that be because he has had to work so much harder on the defensive end to rotate out and cover people?

I just don't see how we're going to incorporate slow, lumbering Shaq in to our game without negating all of our strengths. Shaq by no means at this stage in his career demands a doubleteam. And it's not like he and Amare completely shut down West and Chandler tonight. Hell, the last game made Darko look amazing, and he dunked on Shaq.

Of course it's going to take some more time to get everything worked out, but the venom here should be reserved for D'Antoni, Kerr, and Sarver.

Phil Jackson said we will have squandered an opportunity if our window closes and we don't have anything to show for it. I think he's right.

I'm hoping all of this is wrong, and Shaq will finally back up his ridiculous rhetoric with his broken body and we'll overcome the Spurs, Lakers, Pistons and Mavs on the way to our first title. Hey, at least Kenny Smith picked us!

by zooropa on Feb 27, 2008 10:09 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I really don't think Shaq is the problem.
Someone sent me this writeup on Shaq and it really illuminated a couple of things for me

"Shaq is averaging about a FTA per FGA (28 FGA, 30 FTA, .933, about what Dwight Howard is managing), which is spectacular and is still putting loads of pressure on the opposition. Remember, Shaq's taking 7 FGA/g and averaging 7.5 FTA/g for the Suns.

Do you know what that means? It means he's behind only AMARE (8.0 FTA/g, 14.8 FGA/g) in FTA/g.

I just thought I'd share that with you, because Marion's career-best in FTA/g is 3.7 (05-06).

Yes, Shaq's shooting just under 37% from the line but he's also scoring about as many points per game from the line as Marion did LAST year (and about twice as many as he was averaging this year). Shaq is presently scoring 2.8 ppg from the line, which is only 0.4 under Marion's CAREER AVERAGE.

And he's doing it in 28 mpg (Marion's a career 37.8 mpg player) and on the aforementioned 7 FGA/g (Marion's a career 15.4 FGA/g guy).

And this is Shaq shooting 36.7% from the line instead of what you might reasonably expect to be 42-46% from the line (or even as "high" as 49%).

Think about that.

He's already a better rebounder than was Marion, now he's drawing about twice as many FTA/g as Marion and scoring as much from the line even though he's hitting barely more than a third of his attempts.

THAT is an impact player; this is BAD Shaq, and he's still basically a double-double guy who's blocking some shots, passing really nicely and putting pressure on the opposition frontcourt. And think about it; 4 games in, he's shooting 50% from the floor and we think this is a BAD thing, almost 10% below his career average.

Yeah, I think the Suns will do alright with Shaq. I can see him getting up to around 11, 12 ppg as a Sun this season, maybe even a little higher. And let's not forget that Marion is "only" a career 18.4 ppg scorer.

I'll take a 5- to 7-point drop off in the scoring average for the things that Shaq DOES do. Besides, maybe Diaw will quit being a wussy if he gets more minutes; he certainly looked solid against Memphis (of course, Memphis, but still).

Mind that at 11.3 rpg, Shaq is matching what Marion achieved in 04-05, the second-best rebounding performance of Marion's career (his career-high is 11.8 from the following year).

It took Marion 38.8 mpg to do that.

Shaq's playing almost 11 fewer minutes per game.

You do the math. "

Also, he's shooting 62% in the last two games.

What's really hurting us is A)the fact that we lost Shawn Marion, our best perimeter defender and B)our second best defender, Raj a Bell, has forgotten how to play defense.

So again, I don't think Shaq is the problem....losing Matrix, however, was huge, and I don't know how we'll be able to rebound from that.

by rsavaj on Feb 27, 2008 10:31 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

it looks pretty bleak
but, I'm giving the suns 3 weeks and then it'll be clear how its going, and if we'll make the playoffs.

by jasonsuns1 on Feb 27, 2008 11:53 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't blame Shaq
He's playing just fine every night, and is also getting better. Also, he helped Amare a lot, just look at the numbers. Blame on everyone else. Raja is playing like crap lately, Nash is not going too well (despite a solid night against Memphis), Hill is missing some easy shots... Shaq is being a good member of this team, while everyone else is not doing so well (except Amare, who's playing like a monster right now).

You can say that losing Marion was huge, and it was. But that would happen anyway, because Shawn is an asshole. But if Raja and Steve can play solid again, this team will take off. Also, I just don't know yet why we didn't trade Le Fatso...

Walk on, walk on With hope in your heart And you'll never walk alone You'll never walk alone

by Nobs on Feb 27, 2008 10:42 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Hm.
The way to beat the Suns is to let Amare score 30 (or even 40) and shut down everyone else. Don't leave Raja, Grant, or LB when the ball comes through the middle.

Our unhappy bunch had the best record in the West, and now that we're happy since that horrible Marion locker room cancer guy is gone, we've given up 120 points 4 times in the last 10 games.

Nash is having to work extra hard, and Raja too, as well as not having the open looks.

We can't trade Diaw because of his ridiculous contract. Think of all the guys in the league that make under 9 million a year. Marcus Camby, for one.

by zooropa on Feb 27, 2008 11:01 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Amare is on fire
And Shaq is putting up decent numbers - I think the fault has to clearly lie with our guards.  I have yet to drink the D.J. Kool-Aid that seems to be so popular here, but after watching Nash and Bell pretend to play defense (and shoot like crap), the kid needs more playing time.  Pronto

by UASun on Feb 28, 2008 12:56 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Careless
One of the other problems is that we're too careless with the ball. The Hornets had 12 steals to our 2, and 10 turnovers to our 18. Is this because we don't have the spacing on the floor that we used to, or because teams have figured out how to play against us?

by zooropa on Feb 28, 2008 3:27 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Raja Bell
From Yahoo!:

2007-2008 Stats
FG% 40.6, 3P% 37.2, PPG 11.9, RPG 3.9

2006-2007
FG% 43.2, 3P% 41.3, PPG 14.7, RPG 3.2

So yes, Raja is certainly having a worse shooting year.

Turnovers:
I've heard (I think on Bickley's show this morning) that turnovers have been a problem with the team this year. I'm not so sure, but perhaps if you look at only a recent snapshot of time?
The team as a whole is actually commiting .5 less turnovers a game for the season THIS YEAR. Nash's assist/turnover ratio (3.05 vs 2.95) is close as is his 3P% (45.5 vs 46.1%)

Diaw: His shooting is atrocious! Last year FG% 53.8, this year 45.9, also .8 assist/game and 1.6 PPG less this year.

by KJ7 on Feb 28, 2008 12:55 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

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