Playing Ball: The Shaq Trade Aftermath
After having a good two days to stew and rant about the Shaq trade, I think I've finally figured out why this news hit me like a ton of bricks dropped on an already-aching head. It isn't that I wanted the Suns to stay small-ball forever, and it isn't that I was adamantly opposed to trading Shawn Marion either, even though he has long been my favorite Sun not named Steve Nash. As I said in the wee hours of Wednesday morning, the Suns have had the look of a team in need of a change for the better part of the season. In fact, when Robert Sarver said a few weeks ago that no major moves were coming, I was even a little disappointed--for the first time in three seasons--because this time I really thought the team needed to make one. Still, I guess I was hoping that move would be for a young, athletic big guy who would allow Amare to move back to the four spot without changing the very nature of who the Suns are. But that was probably an unrealistic expectation to begin with. If that type of player was easy to come by, every team in the league would have one.
The other thing that bugs me about this trade is that for the first time in going on four years now, the Suns have a main rotation player that I truly do not care for in an "I've never met this person in real life, but the image he projects nauseates me" kind of way. Whether or not it's actually true, the media impression of Shaq has generally been of a guy who slacks off during the regular season, doesn't care about his conditioning, and doesn't really try until the playoffs. While the polite way to describe that is "pacing himself", another way to look at is that fans pay to watch regular season games too, and deserve to get their money's worth. The idea of having someone on my team who doesn't try his hardest until the months of May and June has never sat too well with me. But that's just my opinion.
Still, the Suns have Shaq on their team now, and it does little good to keep repeating over and over all the reasons I think it was a bad idea. In the words of TrueHoop's Henry Abbott:
Starting with last night's game, It seemed pretty clear to me from the players' demeanor that they are genuinely psyched about the trade. Either that, or they're extra-motivated by all of us saying it isn't going to work. There were times when I thought I was watching the Suns of two years ago--you know, short-handed, missing a key player, but fighting like tigers to make it work anyway. It didn't work in this case, but it sure was fun to watch. A week from now, I don't think the Suns lose that game. Last night, it appeared a few times they were expecting the Matrix to come out of nowhere to track down a loose ball or a rebound. Like the fans, they have probably become a little spoiled by that. But they'll adjust, and that adjustment should be worth at least the three points they needed to win. In the meantime, I'm looking forward to seeing more of D.J. Strawberry, who has the potential to be a Marion-lite if not more.
On to Shaq's press conference earlier today. I wish I could say I came away from it fully on board with the trade and excited about the team's future, but I'm not quite there yet. Give it time. Besides, according to Shaq himself, all of this skepticism is a good thing:
It's easy to see why fans and the media like this guy. Whether proclaiming himself the "assistant vice chair and general manager", crediting prayer for the chance to win "number five and number six", or launching the "Amare Stoudemire Project", he brought laughter to the room again and again, while managing to seem both a little egotistical and charming at the same time.
Enough whining.
Enough wondering what might have been, or could have been, or should have been.
Let's just play ball.
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Well Said
Pre-Order your purple Shaq jersey now!
by JSun on Feb 7, 2008 8:32 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
LOL
by TexSUN on Feb 7, 2008 8:37 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Shaq jersey on sale here
by Phoenix Stan on Feb 7, 2008 8:50 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
on shaq jersey
or a car cover :-)
by jasonsuns1 on Feb 7, 2008 10:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Shaq
by Nobs on Feb 7, 2008 9:12 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
yep
by jasonsuns1 on Feb 7, 2008 10:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Earlier this season
Also, who's taking that last spot? Alando?
by Nobs on Feb 7, 2008 10:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think so
by jasonsuns1 on Feb 7, 2008 10:21 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
test
by jasonsuns1 on Feb 7, 2008 10:23 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
just for me
by jasonsuns1 on Feb 7, 2008 10:27 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Your Next Assignment
Okay, Shaq is here to "Bring a Ring", right? So, you know, Steve Kerr is kind of like Frodo (short, goofy and going a little bit bonkers) and Shaq is like Gandalf (old but still majestic and inspirational). The music goes with the story. Nash is the Elf and STAT is Aragon. Bell is probably the crusty, mean old dwarf.
How about some sort of video montage with the ring, the fire, Shaq coming to town? The valiant last stand of charging the gates to Mordor. Once they break through, the eye (picture of Stern) collapses/implodes.
I don't know, something like that.
It would be cool, but I have no idea how this internet/computer stuff works.
by JSun on Feb 8, 2008 10:02 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
i could do that
by jasonsuns1 on Feb 8, 2008 1:41 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It'd be cool
But, it would be awesome.
by JSun on Feb 8, 2008 1:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's an interesting bit...
by TexSUN on Feb 7, 2008 10:48 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
you gotta love nash
by jasonsuns1 on Feb 7, 2008 11:04 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
shaq
and when shaq has a goal he will get there. he promised the heat a ring and everybody laughed at him, but he proved the haters wrong.
i am exited what the future holds and for a look at the new suns who will still run and be fun! shaq and stat dunking together now, woah yeah!
by hgk on Feb 8, 2008 1:11 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Thirteenth player
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/0208sunsnb0208.html
Hmmm... We just lost our best defender. Sacramento would love to get rid of Ron Artest. Any takers?
(For the record, this idea gets a big NO from me. But since we're shooting for the two-year window here, and since it usually takes Artest that long to screw up a team, maybe it's worth it from that standpoint?)
by TexSUN on Feb 8, 2008 8:09 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
i'd do it
by jasonsuns1 on Feb 8, 2008 8:51 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Good idea, actually
I'm thinking Artest might just be for one year (this one), though. I don't know about the contract situation, but I'd be willing to bring him in for the stretch run.
It won't happen, though.
I'm thinking we've still got a shot at E.T. (Sam Cassell) as a back-up PG. He wanted to go to Boston but then committed felony assualt on Rajon Rondo when Rondo was showing him up. I don't know if that'll happen now.
by JSun on Feb 8, 2008 10:04 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Artest can opt out this summer
by pookeyguru on Feb 8, 2008 2:20 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
What I think you should know in fairness Tex is
- There isn't any resources to do the deal
- There isnt enough balls to keep Shaq Amare & Ron-Ron involved
- Artest will annoy everyone to say the least
- He will have a repeat performance of the Jazz game.
by pookeyguru on Feb 8, 2008 2:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Which is precisely why I said "the idea gets a big NO from me". But I can also see the flip side of it. Artest seems to implode on himself after about a year or two. That's really all the time the Suns need him to stay sane anyway, since they've basically given themselves a two-year window here. I'm not in favor of the deal though. Just threw it out there, because much like I can hate a movie while understanding why others love it, I can see why some might like this idea since talent-wise Artest could make up for a lot of what Shawn did (on defense, especially).
by TexSUN on Feb 8, 2008 3:03 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Pacing himself
But what can you expect from him? He is the largest player in the history of the sport. There have been taller players. But no one comes even close to his size and carrying that weight, even when he's at his most trim (i.e. 310), puts a lot of stress on those legs, especially when those legs can (or at least could) move as fast as a lot of small forwards. Add to that, almost every team he played against for most of his career would just rotate centers in and out, so they could all foul him as much as possible (which, to be fair, was the only way to guard him for awhile).
That's quite a beating. So I don't think we should be that surprised that Shaq doesn't always suit up for the regular season. He gets hurt.
But when he's on the court, he always gives maximum effort. I mean, look at his production over his career. It's just silly.
by rosewood on Feb 8, 2008 8:27 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
And why does he way 310+ pounds to begin with?
by TexSUN on Feb 8, 2008 8:34 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
this is interesting
I entered 310 and 7'1 abd it said ideal weight for that size was 273, I wonder if he lost 30-40 pounds if that'd be good or bad, probably mostly good. Also, what was his weight in college and his first 2-3 years in the nba?
Personally, I think 285-290 would help him
by jasonsuns1 on Feb 8, 2008 8:57 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea that calculation
by Coolbean04 on Feb 8, 2008 10:05 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Be careful of
by Hawk42 on Feb 8, 2008 11:01 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I weigh 225 and am 6'3
by jasonsuns1 on Feb 8, 2008 1:45 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
He's a naturally big person
Just try to wrap your head around that.
He was 7'1" 286 when he went to LSU (17 years old). 7'1" 300 when he came into the NBA. He had NINE percent body fat and a thirty inch vertical. Like every other player, he's put on muscle that has made him larger, so his ideal playing weight is more than 300 now.
He's just a giant person. When he's weighing 350-360, he's overweight. When he's 310-325, he's in great shape.
You can't judge Shaq by the standards of other players. Asking why does he weigh 310 is like asking why does Yao Ming have to be 7'5". He just does. Shaq would require heroin to get down to 273.
His frame is larger than any one who has ever played basketball. So he's going to weigh more. And it's just strange to accuse him of being out of shape at 310-320 when even when he was a twenty year old rookie, he weighed 300.
I mean, look at guys like Jordan. He came in the league at about 195 and left with the Bulls the second time at about 215. That's a twenty pound gain, but no one would say he was out of shape.
There's no doubt that Shaq can get out of shape. He gets hurt a lot. But to say that he's out of shape because 310 or 320 seems like a lot is just not understanding the player you're talking about.
For Duncan, 310 would mean horribly out of shape. But Duncan is a lot smaller than Shaq, not in height but in frame.
by rosewood on Feb 8, 2008 9:25 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
good points
by jasonsuns1 on Feb 8, 2008 1:56 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Fresh off of Paul Coro's blog
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/0208shaqquotesonline0208.html
...looks like I may have misquoted him on the whole Bill Russell, Michael Jordan, six rings thing. I was having some trouble making out what he was saying on the video. Apparently, it was "breathera pattern" not "breath of a pattern". Guess I learned a new word yesterday (although I'm not finding much in the way of a definition on Google).
by TexSUN on Feb 8, 2008 11:17 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
So the consensus among fans is that
Here's some interesting analysis on tonight's game from http://pregame.com.
Seattle SuperSonics at Phoenix Suns (9 PM ET)
It's unknown when new addition Shaquille O'Neal will make his debut with Phoenix, but it likely won't come tonight or anytime soon since he is still nursing a hip injury. That means the Suns will still be playing a bit short-handed after losing Shawn Marion and Marcus Banks to Miami. SLIGHT EDGE: SONICS
Seattle is 4-1 since losing 14 in a row and coming off an impressive 105-92 victory at Sacramento on Wednesday, which also snapped a 10-game road skid. The Sonics have lost the last 3 meetings with Phoenix but have gone 5-1 ATS in the last 6 games between the teams. EDGE: SONICS
Sonics are 8-2 ATS in the last 10 meetings in Phoenix.
Suns are 6-2 ATS in their last 8 games overall.
The UNDER is 20-8 in the last 28 meetings.
by JW Stringer on Feb 8, 2008 1:52 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Great News!
http://www.thedirty.com/?p=10985
No more side fat!
Collectively, I wonder how much those two guys weigh. 600 pounds?
by JSun on Feb 8, 2008 2:35 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

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