Congrats to the Lakers
Congratulations Lakers for winning the Western Conference (by a HUGE margin)...you played through adversity (Kobe) and injury (too many to list) and have once again achieved your (NBA) destined place on top of the world conference.
Hope to meet beat you soon in the playoffs. Your arrogance will make your defeat so much tastier.
Oh, and please remember that you have to play some sort of defense against Denver so you don't choke in the first round.
Update [2008-4-16 13:39:31 by Phoenix Stan]:
and as Hawk42 points out in the comments, if you should happen to meet the Mavs instead of the Nugs be sure to not underestimate how motivated that team will be to Beat LA and beware of The Dampier, do whatever vodoo you need to do so Lamar plays well, cover the JET at the 3pt line...oh, who am I Kidding...just have fun and try not to injury any more of your players.
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when you guys got shaq
Besides your getting either jazz or spurs, just make sure you don't choke cause If I had to miss out on this series cause someone in the spurs tricks your players out of the playoffs it just wouldn't be the same kind of WC victory without taking a shot at you guys.
by ldeep on Apr 16, 2008 9:26 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Lakers
by Nobs on Apr 16, 2008 9:57 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Lakers stink
by Hawk42 on Apr 16, 2008 10:00 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Spurs-Mavs-Lakers
by DaPHXisin on Apr 16, 2008 10:08 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
We Own the Lakers in the playoffs
by PanamaSun on Apr 16, 2008 10:17 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
i know
by windowclosed on Apr 16, 2008 10:27 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAHA. What?
by Hawk42 on Apr 16, 2008 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
was that phone number disconnect for a few years?
by Stymo on Apr 16, 2008 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kobe
by RealTangiblesGuy on Apr 16, 2008 10:33 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
RealTangibleGuy
by Pliny the Younger on Apr 16, 2008 10:54 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Shaq
by MichiganSunsFan on Apr 16, 2008 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
niether has shaq
by windowclosed on Apr 16, 2008 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kobe
Would you agree that Kobe is better than D-Wade? I'm assuming yes seeing as to how you are defending Kobe.
You remember the Pistons beating the Lakers with Kobe and a 2004 Shaq?
You remember the Heat beating the Pistons team with the same core with the 2006 Shaq and D-Wade?
Do you remember the Hall of Fame Starting Five on the Lakers?
Do you remember the Hall of Shame starting five on the Heat including such excellent players as Jason Williams and Udonis Haslem?
Would you agree that Wade led a lesser team with a lesser Shaq to the championship?
by RealTangiblesGuy on Apr 16, 2008 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kobe 2
by RealTangiblesGuy on Apr 16, 2008 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
A pox on the Lakers
The Lakers total humilation at the hands of the Suns this postseason will be a moment so full of sweetness and morbid delicity (I know..) for us, it will be hard not to consider that the victory we want.
However, we should not be satisfied until we win the title. Only then, as they choke on their bitter tears, will the Lakers realize that this season of hope for them was nothing but a misty eyed illusion presaging what will be a long off-season of misery, shame and a sense that their so-called best player just isn't good enough, however much help he has.
Then we take a good deep breath, and laugh our asses off.
by Pliny the Elder on Apr 16, 2008 11:15 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
mmmm
Playoff time!
by Phoenix Stan on Apr 16, 2008 11:24 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
This is nothing..
by Pliny the Elder on Apr 16, 2008 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a new
GO SUNS
by warmup on Apr 16, 2008 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
In our defense
I'm pretty sure if you watched your team lose a few years in a row because Smush thought he was a real nba player, or Kwame dropping passes, you'd be pretty happy this year.
by iamsupercool on Apr 16, 2008 2:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question for Lakers Fans
So, if that happens, will you treat Kobe the same way you have treated Dirk this year? Will his MVP award laughed off and will he become the butt of all jokes? Many times in ESPN forums this year, you hear comments like "Dirk won the MVP and he choked the first round!! How can Kobe not get MVP when a choker like Dirk gets it??" If my situation happens, will you go back and post "Kobe won the MVP and he choked the first round!! How can (blank) not get the MVP when a choker like Kobe gets it??"
by RealTangiblesGuy on Apr 16, 2008 11:24 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Phoenix Stan
by Hawk42 on Apr 16, 2008 11:29 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
This is why I was hoping this post
If kobe lost in the first round we wouldn't trash him cause no one would get trashed getting kicked out of the west. Dallas-denver are 50 wins teams. you guys are gonna be sixth do you think your gonna "upset" anyone. no cause your on par or better then the people you face and every west team believes that.
Five posts of just insults so no point on commenting on that. Windowclosed we still haven't done anything either so lets be quiet until we get some playoff series under out belt.
My last point is this. No one actually believes Dirk is an mvp. He was just the best player on the team that had the most wins. Its how the mvp goes now a days. Kobe actually is an mvp caliber player (not taking anything away from nash, he was a mvp caliber player too, so is cp3 for that matter, I still don't see amare but maybe cause I want to see his defense up a little more but hes improved from last year so another improvement like that and maybe I'll turn)
I think I got everything I wanted in that. Laker fan out.
by ldeep on Apr 16, 2008 11:35 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
smart and cautious answer
by warmup on Apr 16, 2008 2:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is why
by ldeep on Apr 16, 2008 2:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
what????
by windowclosed on Apr 16, 2008 11:36 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
If kobe wasn't gonna win the first one
by ldeep on Apr 16, 2008 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
MVP
Also, thanks for not answering my question.
As far as Shaq goes, we must respect his opinion about who should win MVP. This guy is great at evaluating talent. Just last week he revealed a priceless gem of insight: DPOY Favorite KG, according to Shaq, does not play defense.
No, really, the better the player, the better they are at evaluating talent. Wait, what? Isiah Thomas and Larry Bird and MJ have all compiled craptastic teams? I guess skill on the basketball floor isn't as related to skill at evaluating basketball talent as we'd like to think.
by RealTangiblesGuy on Apr 16, 2008 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stan: Spot on, couldn't have said it better myself
But yes, their climb to the top will only make their coming fall taste all the sweeter. I wouldn't consider the Nugs to be contenders, but that doesn't mean they can't pull it together for a few games and give Kobe a taste of Dirk's shame. Much as I'd like to see the Suns end LA's season for a 3rd stright year, that does sound like a more enjoyable option, watching Kobe collect his MVP in a press room deep in the bowels of the Staples center after his team has been eliminated, well, words fail me...
by SoCalSun on Apr 16, 2008 11:41 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess seeing nash
I guess I have to give you props too your coach most of all. I considered him a big joke but if he could fit in shaq of all people and make it work properly maybe he deserves more credit then I (and bunch of other people including suns fans) give him.
by ldeep on Apr 16, 2008 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh?
While I certainly wouldn't favor the Nugs in a series against the lakers, I wouldn't be shocked if they knocked them off, and you'd better believe I and most Suns fans would be ecstatic. There's really not going to be any upsets this year, because nobody is a clear-cut favorite, including the top-seeded Lakers.
As for Kobe, he will likely win the MVP this year, and deservedly so--he's had (another) great year stats-wise, and his team won the West. I've got no problem saying he's the "best player on the planet" or what-have-you--but that doesn't change the fact that I don't like the guy personally (or as personally as he can be known through the media facade), and the fact that his accuser withdrew her charges and took a cash payout from him doesn't mean he greased the wheels of justice. It also doesn't make him not a date-rapist who got over. Face it, Eagle Colorado is something that's never going away. You wander onto a Suns board the day before the playoffs begin and start talking Laker trash and that's what you're going to get.
My advice, Laker fans: point your browsers over to Forum Blue and Gold, and ruminate on your own dreams of glory, free from the hatred of the Suns.
by SoCalSun on Apr 16, 2008 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
the funny thing is...
by windowclosed on Apr 16, 2008 11:51 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh man I just reread everything
by ldeep on Apr 16, 2008 12:02 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Pau Gasol is the reason Kobe shouldn't be MVP
Face it, the Lakers are loaded. Now I know Kobe fans don't want to admit that, but they are. It's easy to put down the rest of the team to prop up your favorite player. But Lamar and Pau are really good, and the others on that team are solid.
If you want to compare Nash's 2nd MVP season with Kobe this year, I'd point out that not only did Steve lose his center for a full season, but he also lost his backup midway through the season.
Basically, without a solid front-line, and with the help of some talented but flawed players, and a boat load of chemistry and solidarity, Steve got the Suns to 55 wins and the WCF.
Had Kurt Thomas managed to stay healthy, along with Raja, I have no doubt we would have won the title.
by Pliny the Elder on Apr 16, 2008 12:02 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
So Nash with three all stars
by ldeep on Apr 16, 2008 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
I can now return to hating the Lakers...that was kind of painful
by Phoenix Stan on Apr 16, 2008 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Que?
If you're talking about 04-05, that argument has more merit, since Amare, Marion were both all-stars, but Johnson was not yet.
So you really mean two all-stars and one soon to be all-star (Johnson).
And I'd say that's fair. Nash was always given too much credit that year.
by rosewood on Apr 16, 2008 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey
I'm no Laker fan, but let's not make things up.
by rosewood on Apr 16, 2008 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is true
by ldeep on Apr 16, 2008 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I know
I was responding to "they were .500 pre-Gasol." So the no Bynum games count.
I know they had a better record with Bynum.
by rosewood on Apr 16, 2008 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
See my other post
by ldeep on Apr 16, 2008 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
read what I wrote, fully..
Not the whole season before Gasol.
by Pliny the Elder on Apr 16, 2008 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I read that
You know, "pre-Gasol they were a .500 team without testicles."
But gotcha. My bad.
by rosewood on Apr 16, 2008 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've given Bynum a nickname
by Pliny the Elder on Apr 16, 2008 1:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with it
by rosewood on Apr 16, 2008 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
so did kolbe
by windowclosed on Apr 16, 2008 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
We started kwame for a quater of the year
by ldeep on Apr 16, 2008 12:27 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll take your pinky, and raise you..
What I'm saying, and the record will bear me out, is that in the time between Bynum getting injured, and the Lakers receiving the gift of Gasol, the Lakers were mediocre, and they were to all intents and purposes dead in the water.
There is no question whatsoever, that Gasol's arrival saved the Lakers season, given that the difference between top seed in the West and missing the playoffs is a scant 9 games.
Consequently, despite what Lakers fans may think, this season from Kobe, doesn't even come close to what Nash did 2 years ago.
To appreciate the difference would take an objective perspective that eschews the elevation of players into comic-book super heroes, and instead focuses on valuing a game where all the pieces of a team miraculously fit together, performing in concert, with metaphysical harmony and precision.
If you ever watched and were a fan of the 80's Lakers, then I am certain you have witnessed this and hence have the capability to embrace such a viewpoint. To do so, would be a decision that would work to your long term advantage.
by Pliny the Elder on Apr 16, 2008 12:29 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah the back thing was something big
Bad part is nash isn't gonna get the same respect. Chris paul is putting up bigger numbers and there gonna say he was better then nash's mvp season.
Just saying you guys are gonna here that for awhile. Let me ask you this Pliny the Elder, do you think kobe is this years mvp. (all honesty, not from the suns view, where kobe wouldn't even be a shoes salesmen).
by ldeep on Apr 16, 2008 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Overstatement
That Suns team without Johnson and Amare was a lot more talented than the 07-08 Lakers without Gasol/Bynum. I mean, if you look at the "other" contributors, you have Marion versus Odom, which isn't really a comparison (Marion had his best year as a pro that season). Diaw versus...Radman? Bell versus...Fisher? Barbosa versus...Farmar?
The 05-06 Suns weren't stacked but they had a lot more talent than the 07-08 Lakers without Gasol/Bynum. So what do you expect? I also the case can be made that Marion was more valuable to the Suns than Nash that year (Using the Wins Produced stat that you seem fond of, Marion produced four more wins than Nash and a better rate per minute).
And as far as games without Bynum/Gasol, I don't really think it's fair to compare the small sample of 17 games ( 9-8, including when Gasol was hurt) to a full 82 games of Nash without Amare and Johnson.
So I think it's arguable that Nash had a better year, but it surely isn't clear.
by rosewood on Apr 16, 2008 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
My MVP choices are
What KG has done in Boston, to spark the greatest single season turnaround (and it's not even close), is close to amazing. What I really like about his game this year is he has taken what Nash and Paul do in running an offense, and has done a similar thing on defense.
Paul is 2nd, just because I really like that kind of point guard game. Statistically, his season has been really good (leading the league in 2 categories), but I think that's a false thing to focus on.
Kobe this year has been really good, where he's even been playing some Nash like ball in spots, and I love to watch him. But I think he's still an inefficient player at times, and the contributions of his teammates has been vastly underrated this year, especially Lamar Odom (who is a much more self contained player than Shawn Marion, before you make the comparison).
LeBron has been the best individual contributor this season, but the Cavs are a 45 game team in the East, so while he gets a nod, he's really a joint 3rd spot.
Other players that would be in a conversation about MVP, to set the landscape but not be seriously considered are Ginobili, Duncan, Nash, Deron Williams, Paul Pierce, Shaq, and Rasheed Wallace.
Amare doesn't make my list because while he's spectacular, and possibly the best exponent of stunt basketball in the league, he has 3 flaws:
i) He pads his stats, a lot.
ii) He benefits massively from Shaq being in the middle.
iii) He often just takes games off, defensively.
by Pliny the Elder on Apr 16, 2008 1:04 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I appreciate your opinion
by ldeep on Apr 16, 2008 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I'd have Kobe 2nd over Paul, but that's definitely a debatable split.
by rosewood on Apr 16, 2008 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't agree with him
by ldeep on Apr 16, 2008 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was agreeing with Pliny
by rosewood on Apr 16, 2008 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pliny for President!
by RealTangiblesGuy on Apr 16, 2008 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
gift of gasol
by windowclosed on Apr 16, 2008 1:11 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Um, What??
by RealTangiblesGuy on Apr 16, 2008 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
ldeep vs. windowclosed
by RealTangiblesGuy on Apr 16, 2008 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
somewhere up there
by ldeep on Apr 16, 2008 1:15 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I think
by ldeep on Apr 16, 2008 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Found it
by RealTangiblesGuy on Apr 16, 2008 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drama Queen MVP
by RealTangiblesGuy on Apr 16, 2008 1:22 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Real Tangibles
In my opinion, Kobe's "antics" are irrelevant especially since they primarily happened long before the season started.
It just seems to get too complicated once you take off the court issues (that the public will never fully understand) into consideration.
by rosewood on Apr 16, 2008 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Intangibles
I have made this point about his summertime drama in other discussion but never has someone made the point to me that they should not count because they occurred the season started. I'm a believer in the idea that the MVP is not a lifetime achievement award and is instead an award for the regular season. Given that belief, I agree with you that this makes his summertime drama somewhat irrelevant. So I'll concede that. :)
As far as off the court issues go, I do think they are important to consider. Value indicates more than just on court peformance. If Kobe's soap opera had taken place during the regular season, I would not disregard it as an off the court issue.
by RealTangiblesGuy on Apr 16, 2008 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's fair
by rosewood on Apr 16, 2008 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think thats gonna help to get votes
Try to remember this summer and your opinion on it. I think history will change it as that was the best move kobe could have done to make them contenders (they needed a shakeup but a different way instead of being caught in a parking lot making fun of bynum ,who has become tied for my favorite player. I'm not sure if he needed it but without that who knows if mitch (laker gm) would have been looking for someone like gasol.)
by ldeep on Apr 16, 2008 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
No credit due to Kobe for the rant
The pre-Gasol Lakers were better because Jordan Farmar and Andrew Bynum spent all summer working on their games, and came back better than when they left. They Lakers also turned Smush Parker into Derek Fisher--a huge upgrade on the court and in the locker room. Odom didn't suddenly get better, it's that he was allowed to retreat into the pressure free zone of being the 3rd option instead of having to carry the load as the 2nd option. The Laker season nearly cratered when Bynum went down, but was rescued when Memphis inexplicably gave away Gasol for Kwame Brown (someone who will very likely be OUT OF THE LEAGUE after tonight).
For anyone needing another reason to dislike Kobe, the fact that he is now taking credit for this ("sometimes you've gotta shake the tree") is just another sign of his enormous ego and utter classlessness.
by SoCalSun on Apr 16, 2008 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
by RealTangiblesGuy on Apr 16, 2008 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats prettymuch what I said
This year was like a soap oprea. everytime something finally settle down, something else happened, internal, external. (ex. kobe summer, bynum goes down, fued with you and your coach, fued with cp3, going for the top of the WC, man you couldn't take a break and through out half the year it was kobe is probably gonna leave) Quite the crazy year course you guys had a crazy year yourself. I'm gonna miss the nba in the next month or so.
by ldeep on Apr 16, 2008 10:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's actually been a remarkable season
Six teams at the top of the west within, what, 3 games of each other? 8 games separating regular season glory and desolate oblivion. 4 seeds not resolved until the final day of the regular season.
An historic team, the Celtics, having an historic 66 win season.
Trade. Anti-trade. Soap Opera.
The Suns seemingly sacrificing regular season dominance for something more powerful. I'm amazed Steve Kerr can walk, with those cohones, and surprised he doesn't just self-combust from the friction.
And it has only just begun. As Phreak says in Hackers.. "This is gonna be good"
by Pliny the Elder on Apr 16, 2008 11:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
real tangiblesguy
by windowclosed on Apr 16, 2008 1:31 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
by RealTangiblesGuy on Apr 16, 2008 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they add humor.
by rosewood on Apr 16, 2008 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I wanted that kind of humor
by RealTangiblesGuy on Apr 16, 2008 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
by iamsupercool on Apr 16, 2008 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you could expand that
by rosewood on Apr 16, 2008 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lovely
That's just fantastic. It should be a T-shirt.
Also:
I don't know that any fan should be arrogant, or at least not because they are a fan. I mean, last time I checked, they don't really contribute to the victories, and it's not that remarkable to cheer for a team.
But if saying I like these guys more than these guys adds to your sense of self-worth then well...we return to the earlier remark:
"my brain might be closed...but at least im not a suns fan.."
Too perfect.
by rosewood on Apr 16, 2008 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean...
If you are going to come here, and give us your side of the story or opinion, at least make it an intelligent one.
by PanamaSun on Apr 16, 2008 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course not
by windowclosed on Apr 16, 2008 1:40 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
"my brain might be closed...
by rosewood on Apr 16, 2008 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
windowclosed
I promise we are not all that retarded, and am more than willing to hear your side of the debate.
by iamsupercool on Apr 16, 2008 1:46 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll try
by RealTangiblesGuy on Apr 16, 2008 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you read up in the post
by ldeep on Apr 16, 2008 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
by RealTangiblesGuy on Apr 16, 2008 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do the same thing
by ldeep on Apr 16, 2008 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big Takeaway
by RealTangiblesGuy on Apr 16, 2008 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
by ldeep on Apr 16, 2008 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
i guess subjects are mandatory.
by iamsupercool on Apr 16, 2008 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least it provides entertainment
by iamsupercool on Apr 16, 2008 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pounding the Rock
by RealTangiblesGuy on Apr 16, 2008 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope so
by iamsupercool on Apr 16, 2008 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
These blogs are gonna get more crazy
by ldeep on Apr 16, 2008 1:52 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope not
by RealTangiblesGuy on Apr 16, 2008 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think individual blogs
by ldeep on Apr 16, 2008 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love it that the Lakers and their fans hate us
Bill Shankly (and you may not know who he is) once said "Football.. It's not a question of life or death. It's far more important than that."
Whatever you may think about the Lakers and their fans (and I'd like nothing better for each of them to be ravaged by a pack of horny, rabid psychotic badgers with a death wish), you have to respect their fandom, at this time.
Of course, half of these people were nowhere to be seen when the pre-Shaq Lakers truly sucked. Even Jack Nicholson stopped watching Lakers games at that time, and could be seen courtside at Nets games.
by Pliny the Elder on Apr 16, 2008 4:58 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
i was there
by iamsupercool on Apr 16, 2008 11:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
where were you
by ldeep on Apr 16, 2008 9:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
why you ask???
by windowclosed on Apr 17, 2008 10:19 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
what?
by ldeep on Apr 17, 2008 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
me too
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