A ZonaFlash Off-Center Suns-Spurs Preview.
Immovable Object meets Irresistible Force Immovable Object
In Kung Fu movies and comic books, it's traditional to pit like-skilled and like-powered adversaries against each other. It's just more suspenseful that way. For example, the final battle of X-Men 2 (X2) involves Wolverine facing Deathstrike, because, hey, of all the superpowers in the comic book universe, they happen to have the exact same powers.



The Suns-Spurs Playoffs will be just like that. Sure one's more brutish and the other one's prettier, but of all possible matchups, these two teams are now among the most similar in the playoffs. Unlike years past, this SUNS team is no longer undersized. And despite the early offense the Suns run, the Suns have not appeared particularly speedy, especially defensively, compared to the younger teams of the NBA. Of all possible matchups against the teams with home court (Lakers, Hornets, Spurs and Jazz), the Spurs are the team the Suns could most plausibly beat. And they'll do it not by raining threes (see below), but by pounding the rock.
Both teams feature MVP caliber charity stripe bricklayers anchored to the low post. The difference is that it's now Spurs fans who talk about high PNRs and doubling down low. Both teams feature defensive all-teamers that spread defenses with the 3-ball. Both teams boast of a sixth-man of the year, the difference is that Spurs fans are really proud their best player is getting 6th man recognition. Both teams are old as hell. The Suns starting line-up aged 19 years since last year. The Spurs bench might be the oldest in the league.
And speaking of the two oldest teams in the NBA, check out how I subtly lied to you. You're now thinking this series is going to be like X2 fresh and exciting. Unh-unh. This series between the NBA's two crankiest and whiniest old teams is going to be more like Grumpy Old Men. Expect to see more shenanigans, bitching and moaning than ever.

A Few Key Matchups
Because of cross-matching we look at specific matchups of interest. Brought to you by Match.com.

Duncan vs. Shaq - We got this one. Duncan will be defended by either Shaq or Amare depending on foul situation.
Kurt on Amare - Kurt Thomas is a very smart pro. He has been able to lure Amare into stupid fouls at both ends of the floor. Kurt is also a much better rebounder than Amare, so ol' crazy eyes may hurt the Suns in unexpected ways this series.
Bowen on Nash - Solved. The Spurs have unwisely overused Bowen on Nash in an attempt to wear Nash down. In the last game, Nash was completely unfazed by Bowen's defense.
Nash on Bowen - We hope that Nash doesn't leave the Spurs best 3 point shooter late in games. With Shaq, Nash has even less reason than ever to leave Bowen.
Nash/Hill on Tony Parker - Tony Parker has struggled a bit this year, so it's unclear how much credit to give to Nash and Hill. However, Nash did show plausible capability to stay relatively in front of Parker and to steer Parker into the Big Shaqtus. The caveat is that our bigs took big fouls in both Spurs games, so failures on Nash's D lead to foul trouble for Shaq and Amare. Hill in the 4th quarter continues to provide a nice change up and for a game or two Hill appeared to lock down Parker.
Raja Bell on Manu - This will continue to be a treat. Manu the Masochist and Raja Bell both live for physical games. Raja's D, according to Hollinger, is better than ever. I hope we don't have to see LB on Manu. Manu is just too big. Possibly Hill on Manu a little bit? I can only hope Manu continues to recover slowly from injury.
Bench - Our younger bench should have the advantage, but the Spurs bench is battle-tested if worn out. I like our chances to gain ground with Nash resting.
Bowen the X-Factor - This is a matchup of wills. Bowen still has the ability to hurt someone or take one of our stars out of the game. He could hurt Nash. He will likely hurt Nash. Even more likely, he will piss off Amare enough to get Amare ejected or suspended.
One Final Matchup:
Suns Fans vs. Spurs Fans.


For the Sweet Young Fans of the SUNS, the SUNS should win this series and send the aged Spurs to an overdue grave. We're younger, smarter, sweeter, funnier and better-looking. And yes, you wish we served fries with that!
Remember how I said the two teams were the most similar? They are, but the Spurs will have no answer for Amare!
3 Reasons This Series Will Go 7
This series will not be a walk in the park, for three reasons.
- First, the series will go 7 because the Suns have never shown much of a killer instinct. How many times have the Suns toyed around and gone seven games with a lesser team? That they do not have homecourt is actually funny because most times when they do, they squander it by losing the very first game of the series. The Suns are often caught on their heels by their opponents increased intensity, be it an in-game comeback or the first game of the playoffs.
- Second, the Suns will not be able to count on the three ball.
- Third, despite the ongoing locker room lovefest, evidence suggests that the Suns have not yet fully solved their on-court chemistry issues.
Let's look at these last two points in turn.
What's the Forecast from Downtown? Gridlock!

Don't expect to see a lot of great 3 point shooting in the Suns-Spurs series.
In four games this year, the league's best sharpshooters, the Suns, have shot a paltry 28% from 3 compared to 39% as a team for the season. In the two games since Shaq arrived, the Suns also have 8 fewer attempts per game against the Spurs than they average for the season (13.5 versus 21.5). The Spurs in those four games, led by Bruce Bowen, Ime Udoka and Manu Ginobili, have actually made more threes with a better percentage (20 of 62 or 32%) than the Suns.
Only Nash, Bell and Barbosa can be trusted to hit the outside shot and recenlty only Bell has been sharp. Watching Barbosa badly miss wide open ones has been a jarring and a shockingly regular occurrence. On the bright side, bad misses result in longer rebounds. Nash has seemed hampered by aches and pains, his 11 for 34 shotting in April putting a late damper on his virtual tie with Jason Kapono for best three point shooting percentage in the NBA. Nash has shot 3 times as many threes as Jason Kapono (4.8 compared to 1.5 attempts, respectively) and also has increased difficulty due to having to create his shots rather than catch and shoot. Gordan Giricek's 37.5% shooting from 3 is respectable, but he attempts less than 2.3 tries per game and makes less than 1 per game.
Overall, because of the Suns recent 3 point shooting limitations and the Spurs success at defending the arc, expect the three point shooting to be a wash. Where Bruce Bowen killed the Suns last year late in games from 3, expect him to be covered better now that Duncan no longer requires a double-team down low.
What's the Frequency, Kenneth?

Unlike most teams, the Suns have not had the luxury to work out all of the kinks yet. It's these kinks that result in offensive stinkers like the 4th quarter against Dallas. The offense lurches forward and stalls. On average it's great, but quarter-to-quarter, game-to-game, the consistency is bad. The main offenders are cold shooting and turnovers. Not much can be done about poor shooting, especially when your best shooter has shoulder problems. But turnovers are the direct result of confusion and players attempting to do too much, or things they are not accustomed to doing.
Defensively, those turnovers also rear its evil head as they are cashed in for high percentage shots and fouls. The Suns still struggle with energy and a confusing array of defensive schemes. They have looked slow and sluggish when trying to switch from standing around in the zone to man-to-man and from man-to-man to the double/switch run-around defense of the pre-Shaq era. It's hard to switch speeds and intensity in a game.
Overall, those turnovers are killer on both ends of the court. Further they have persisted and continue to persist. One point of hope, however, is that the Suns assist-to-turnover ratio was higher in the past 10 games than it had been all season.
Some Trends and Stuff
Oh and here's some indicators I cooked up just to look at the current state of the team. I use 7-game moving averages b/c the playoffs are 7-game series. Both shooting AND attempts are both down at the arc AND at the line. That ain't so good. Assist-to-Turnovers are the highest they've been all year. That's good.


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Awesome preview....
by Phoenix Stan on Apr 18, 2008 8:38 AM MDT 0 recs
Suns progress
by DocSportsGuru on Apr 18, 2008 9:42 AM MDT 0 recs
You guys are funny
by bigdog2000 on Apr 18, 2008 9:49 AM MDT 0 recs
Learn. To. Read.
It was a Spurs blogger begging that Shaq be double-teamed every possession. Click to see. You clicked on everything else.
Here's a definition for you.
e·ra (îr, r)
n.
1. A period of time as reckoned from a specific date serving as the basis of its chronological system.
2.
a. A period of time characterized by particular circumstances, events, or personages: the Colonial era of U.S. history; the Reagan era.
b. A point that marks the beginning of such a period of time. See Synonyms at period.
3. The longest division of geologic time, made up of one or more periods.
Hint: I wasn't talking geology.
by ZonaFlash on
Apr 18, 2008 10:22 AM MDT
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Pray
by bigdog2000 on Apr 18, 2008 9:53 AM MDT 0 recs
Is that all you got?
I get you have to support your old, broken down team (Horry won't even play btw) but please. You need to bring something better then that if you are going to come in here and talk smack....
by Phoenix Stan on
Apr 18, 2008 10:08 AM MDT
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No need for prayer..
Looked at sky through smoke heavy with human fat and God was not there. The cold, suffocating dark goes on forever and we are alone. Live our lives, lacking anything better to do. Devise reason later. Born from oblivion; bear children, hell-bound as ourselves, go into oblivion. There is nothing else.
Existence is random. Has no pattern save what we imagine after staring at it for too long. No meaning save what we choose to impose. This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It's us. Only us. Streets stank of fire. The void breathed hard on my heart, turning its illusions to ice, shattering them. Was reborn then, free to scrawl own design on this morally blank world.
Was Rorschach.
Does that answer your Questions, Doctor?" -- Rorschach, Watchmen
by Pliny the Elder on Apr 18, 2008 10:27 AM MDT 0 recs
Coda..
by Pliny the Elder on Apr 18, 2008 10:30 AM MDT 0 recs
Great stuff
by Nobs on Apr 18, 2008 10:57 AM MDT 0 recs
Broken down but who are the Champs?
by bigdog2000 on Apr 18, 2008 11:18 AM MDT 0 recs
The pendulum has swung back the other way at last
The odds of a repeat of those circumstances are slim. The primary advantage the Spurs have had each year (size) has been neutralized. The Suns own experience has grown. The mental shackles that have kept the Suns from realizing their own greatness have been cast off. Robert Horry probably won't even play, let alone bury daggers (or hipchecks). Bowen's reputation has finally caught up to him and cost him a game, you don't think the refs won't be scrutinizing his moves very carefully after last year? The Daddy now patrols the lane, and all who look upon him know fear.
The Spurs are champions, and they will go down fighting. But they will go down.
by SoCalSun on Apr 18, 2008 1:27 PM MDT 0 recs
Great Preview
Should be quite the battle. I'm inclined to agree that this series will go to seven as well. The only way I can see different would be if the Suns finally showed that killer instinct and came out and won one of the first two games.
by Turambar on Apr 18, 2008 2:37 PM MDT 0 recs
Put down the crack pipe!
You can't be serious here?! Duncan went head to head with Shaq when he WAS the most dominant big man in the game and did a damn good job. Your wishful thinking is amusing.
"Bowen on Nash - Solved. The Spurs have unwisely overused Bowen on Nash in an attempt to wear Nash down. In the last game, Nash was completely unfazed by Bowen's defense."
If you haven't noticed we now have another "lock down" defender in Ime Udoka. Don't worry, you'll find out who he is soon enough. He and Bowen are going to tag-team Nash like a shower scene in OZ.
"Remember how I said the two teams were the most similar? They are, but the Spurs will have no answer for Amare!"
When have the Spurs ever had an answer for Amare? He's always gone off for 30pts and then gets dominated on defense. The key is not stopping Amare... it's stopping Nash. And our D, drinks Nash's milkshake. We drink it up.
I do agree with you that this series will go 7. But that will be the last Suns game this year.
by CMoney on Apr 18, 2008 2:56 PM MDT 0 recs
There was a time...
But since last year, Spurs fans have been noticeably more belligerent and vocal.
Why? The only possible explanation is fear, puffing yourselves up like some wild animal about to be eaten by an unmerciful and ravenous predator.
When you know, deep down in your bones, that Stern and Jackson gifted you a title last year, and this year seen your team get beaten like a redheaded stepchild by that very same team swindled by your crime, it's easy to be afraid.
Well, you should be, because we intend to extract full retribution and rub it your faces, like the dogs you are.
by Pliny the Elder on
Apr 18, 2008 3:59 PM MDT
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That was your response?
by CMoney on
Apr 18, 2008 4:24 PM MDT
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Pliny, let's not get nasty
Don't put too much stock in regular season games, especially ones in which the Spurs were missing key players. You sound like Cavs fans who claimed that they would drub the Spurs in the Finals b/c they were 2-0 against them during the regular season. We know how that story ended...
You're not seriously still whining about the so-called "gifted title", are you? If the Suns were the better team last year, then why did they make the trade for Shaq? Steve Kerr certainly knows better...
by Key on
Apr 18, 2008 4:34 PM MDT
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This is the NBA fan equivalent of a Yo Mama fight
This is not Glasgow Rangers vs Glasgow Celtics. No-one is going to get hurt.
Just don't expect me to hold back because I might hurt Spurs fans feelings. I welcome their comebacks, and expect them to hold their ground, if they can do so without being lame or unimaginative.
by Pliny the Elder on
Apr 18, 2008 4:55 PM MDT
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Oh and the reason we traded for Shaq..
This way, there's no possibility we get screwed, in this series. And no argument when we win.
by Pliny the Elder on
Apr 18, 2008 5:01 PM MDT
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Cry, Cry, Cry
-johnny cash
I hope you folks in Arizona (immigrant hating state, and MLK haters) know who he is, sorry had to throw that out there.
by bigdog2000 on
Apr 18, 2008 8:30 PM MDT
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I rest my case...
No one can "solve" Tim Duncan. 40 pts - 15 rebounds.
And I'm pretty sure there was a Manu sighting yesterday. Looks like his groin is feeling just fine. Nice game.
by CMoney on
Apr 19, 2008 5:06 PM MDT
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Lucky bastards... well played..
You guys won this one, fair and square. So we'll take your barbs and such.
by Pliny the Elder on
Apr 19, 2008 5:37 PM MDT
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I will be shocked if this series doesn't go 7
God I love playoffs
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
by CMoney on
Apr 20, 2008 12:12 PM MDT
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Your team may have done the talking..
I'll concede your ownership of the NBA championship, but that what then and this is now. Just what have you guys done lately? We just beat you by 17, a week ago, on your floor, and beat y'all convincingly 5 weeks ago on our floor. You expect me to believe that your team has improved so much in the interim, and is good enough to overcome those losses? Especially since your injury situation just got worse?
And I'm out of touch with reality ?? My goodness, you must get the stuff you're smoking from Austin.
Let me explain something to you, bubba. Reality is a big guy called Vinny NoNose, who's gonna come a'knockin', carrying a big stick and beat you all like you owe him money and fucked his sister. If I were you I'd pay up early, and spare myself.
by Pliny the Elder on Apr 18, 2008 4:47 PM MDT 0 recs
LOL
by CMoney on
Apr 18, 2008 5:06 PM MDT
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Brent Barry ?? are you kidding me ?
Manu might have been hurt, but he played 28 mins that game. He may be off the injured lsit, but I think he's still hurt and not 100%. Groin injuries are notoriously slow healing.
But there are no excuses here. Either we win or we don't. I think we will, and without too much trouble. If we lost to the Spurs, I'd be unhappy, but not as much as if we lost to the Lakers.
by Pliny the Elder on Apr 18, 2008 5:17 PM MDT 0 recs
Wow...
by CMoney on
Apr 18, 2008 6:29 PM MDT
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Trash talk all in good fun
Now I really like the Suns and Nash, etc..., its just that they cannot beat the Spurs this year. You guys were better last year. Shaw is too slow for Timmy and everyone know we can run with the best of them. Phoenix has not proven that they can win under pressure, because of Amare. If your coach was smart, I would pull him off the floor the final minutes, cause you know bowen or Horry is going to bait him into doing something dumb, history has proven. Is it right or wrong, who knows, but I know you guys would love to have Bowen The Enforcer on your team. Defense wins championships, period. So Suns fans get ready to be disapointed again.
by bigdog2000 on Apr 18, 2008 5:30 PM MDT 0 recs
A moment about General Policy on this Board.
We do not encourage corrections to grammer, spelling, diction or syntax. We don't even care that grammar and syntax are probably synonyms.
Anyone that can't figure out Shaw=Shaq and whatever you said=AWARDS is a giant douche.
The one that wants to jump all up and down at your stupid mistakes rather than address the meat of your arguments is a turd sandwich.
We do encourage clever zingers and clean, cruel insults, however.
If I were to bother properly editing my comments, I would never post in between working.
by ZonaFlash on
Apr 18, 2008 6:44 PM MDT
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I hold Tim Duncan in the highest esteem.. really.
I'd point out that the difference in record, this season, between the Suns and the Spurs is but one game, and furthermore, let be also suggest that had the Suns not traded for Shaq, while they led the west, we'd very likely have won the conference, seeing that the difference between ourselves and the Lakers is a slim two games.
However, if you're suggesting that just because he has never exited the playoffs in the first round, he won't this year, then that's just nonsense. He has never faced a team this good, this early.
We beat you guys, badly, just over a week ago, in a game that both teams took seriously. I'd say that carries a lot of weight, even accounting for the fact that y'all are the current NBA champs.
Let me get Biblical on you. Proverbs 16:18: "Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall."
by Pliny the Elder on Apr 18, 2008 5:47 PM MDT 0 recs
Good thing i am an Aethist
by bigdog2000 on
Apr 18, 2008 5:53 PM MDT
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In thinking about what you've posted here
by Key on
Apr 18, 2008 6:03 PM MDT
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I'm not religious, but my second favorite verse is
For to those who have, more will be given; and from those who have nothing, even what they have will be taken away. (MARK 4:25)
As in the Bud commercials - True.
by ZonaFlash on
Apr 18, 2008 6:30 PM MDT
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nice... if a little reboundy
by Pliny the Elder on
Apr 18, 2008 6:48 PM MDT
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My favorite is Eccelesiastes 10:8
by Pliny the Elder on
Apr 18, 2008 6:50 PM MDT
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I thought that was Bob Marley
420
by bigdog2000 on
Apr 18, 2008 8:26 PM MDT
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In what way am I a hypocrite?
The point of this trash talk is to be creative and have fun. Yo Mama fight rules apply.
But if all you're gonna do is the equivalent of "I know I am but what are you" or "Nuh-uh!", then we're all wasting our time here.
by Pliny the Elder on
Apr 18, 2008 6:48 PM MDT
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thanks...
by Pliny the Elder on
Apr 18, 2008 7:06 PM MDT
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OK, since you're asking
Now I don't know how tongue-in-cheek you were being in quoting that verse [and of course it's difficult to determine in this type of communication], but that's the way I saw it.
by Key on
Apr 18, 2008 7:23 PM MDT
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The Spurs have never repeated.
by Pliny the Elder on Apr 18, 2008 5:56 PM MDT 0 recs
The Suns have never beaten the Champs in a series
by bigdog2000 on
Apr 18, 2008 6:00 PM MDT
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LOL
You know, it's hard to get a read about a team that hangs out on the ropes like SA is doing.
They could be done. They could be rope-a-dope.
I don't think anyone knows, even with a crack pipe and running around naked in the dark.
by ZonaFlash on
Apr 18, 2008 6:47 PM MDT
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Actually we have...
We beat the Spurs.
by Pliny the Elder on
Apr 18, 2008 6:58 PM MDT
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Don't leave out the important detail
by Key on
Apr 18, 2008 7:35 PM MDT
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I'm a "nowist"
Only this year matters. The rest is bullshit.
"The essence of nowness runs like fire along the fuse of time." - Santayana.
by ZonaFlash on
Apr 18, 2008 7:38 PM MDT
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99-2000
by bigdog2000 on Apr 18, 2008 8:02 PM MDT 0 recs
I was just correcting a statement of fact you made
Every single judgement call that was made by Stern and Jackson went in the Spurs favor. That's what pisses me off.
But you're right, there are no excuses, and that's why we have Shaq. It's my opinion, and recent events would seem to support my claim, that the Suns are now demonstrably better than the Spurs, head to head.
Starting tomorrow, we'll know for sure.
by Pliny the Elder on
Apr 18, 2008 9:10 PM MDT
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Mistake, Duncan has 10 straight first team all NBA
by bigdog2000 on Apr 18, 2008 8:14 PM MDT 0 recs
okay we know timmy is good
(laker fan out)
by ldeep on Apr 18, 2008 10:57 PM MDT 0 recs
that would be something to worry about
by ldeep on
Apr 18, 2008 11:12 PM MDT
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Sigh
by Turambar on Apr 19, 2008 12:50 AM MDT 0 recs
Ok where did the pics come from
by bigdog2000 on Apr 19, 2008 9:56 AM MDT 0 recs
Even Suns fans
by Phoenix Stan on
Apr 19, 2008 10:45 AM MDT
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t-minus 90 minutes
by bigdog2000 on Apr 19, 2008 12:07 PM MDT 0 recs
YEA WHO IS OLD NOW
by bigdog2000 on Apr 19, 2008 4:46 PM MDT 0 recs








