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Breaking down the breakdowns of Game 1

There were a whopping SEVEN key end of game sequences in the instant classic that was Game 1...

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1) End of Regulation. Suns up by 3 with 20 seconds and the Spurs have the ball.

 

San Antonio ran Finely off two screens to get Finely an open look from the trailing Barbosa. Finely hits the three and ties the game with 15 seconds left. On both screens Barbosa was bumped - first by Parker on the baseline and next by Oberto on the sideline. These types of moving screens are almost never called...unless they are.

 

Analysis: A lot has been said about Hill not being on the floor at this point. Clearly, he would have been had he been fully healthy. I haven’t found much on this other then watching him struggle during the game and this locker room observation from Dan Bickley in the AZ Republic:

 

And if you look in the corner, you'll see Grant Hill grimacing as he puts on his socks, not a good sign that his groin injury has healed.

and then there's more on the groin:

D'Antoni talked about Grant Hill needing to be more honest with him about his health. He thought his sore groin was feeling better than he was. The lingering strain limited Hill's impact and had D'Antoni sitting him for all but 34 seconds of overtime. 

You can argue that Giricek might have been a better option then Barbosa and his size and defensive aggression would have helped stay closer to Finely but clearly this one belongs on Amare’s shoulders. Watch Amare in the clip. He is lost and doesn’t switch like he was supposed to.

When Finley came off the second pick by Fabricio Oberto to get to the 3-point line, the Suns' plan was to swtich on the perimeter, but Stoudemire sat back, and Finley sent the game to overtime.When Finley came off the second pick by Fabricio Oberto to get to the 3-point line, the Suns' plan was to swtich on the perimeter, but Stoudemire sat back, and Finley sent the game to overtime.

 

Credit Finely for hitting the shot and Popovich for running the play that early in the clock to prevent the Suns from fouling.

 

2) End of Regulation. Game tied. Suns have the ball with 15 seconds.

 

The Suns run a pick and roll with Nash and Diaw. They move Amare to the corner probably to pull Duncan away from the rim and go with Diaw trying to expose Oberto.

 

Both Spurs guards collapsed leaving Barbora open at the top of the key and Bell open in the far corner. Nash went to Barbosa with the easier pass and Parker recovered quickly to chase him off an open jump shot and that left Barbosa driving into a clogged lane. He should have passed off to Amare who had moved to an open spot but that’s not LB’s game. He took and missed the shot.

 

Analysis: I have to think at this point in the game when you only need one bucket that there were better options. Giving the ball to Amare in isolation and letting him create or running Nash off some screens to get an open look come to mind. I don’t like this call at all.

 

3) 14 Seconds Left in 1st OT. Suns are up by three with the ball.

 

The Spurs trap Nash at the top of the arc and Nash finds Amare wide open at the free throw line. Amare passes up an open jump shot and charges into Kurt Thomas. Here’s what Amare said about the play:

 

"Screen and roll," Stoudemire said of the play. "As soon as I caught the ball, I went to attack and didn't see Kurt at all. By the time I saw him, he was already on the ground. I think it was a great call by the official. It happens like that sometimes.

Analysis: It was a great look for the Suns and a great pass by Nash out of the trap. It was also a fantastic defensive move by Kurt to draw the foul. If KT is a split second slower Amare gets fouled or finishes or both.

  

4) End of 1st OT. Suns up by 3. Spurs have the ball with about 10 seconds left.

 

The Spurs run a high screen with Ginobili and Duncan probably hDuncan_for_3_mediumoping to free Manu for the three. Shaq this time does switch and he and Nash chase Ginobili in the lane leaving Duncan open. 

 

Analysis: On this play there was time for Nash to foul Manu right after the inbound pass or Nash could have stayed on Duncan and let Ginobili get to the rim for two.

 

Clearly the Suns decided that they didn’t want to have to try and win at the free throw line with 10 seconds left so they left a guy who hadn’t taken a 3 point shot all year to play solid defense. I have less of a problem with this decision although in hind sight, clearly they would have been better off letting Ginobili score with only a few seconds left on the clock.

Here's what the Coach had to say on the subject:

"It's tough. Some players might be able to do it. Some teams might be able to do it. There are some situations that are easier. If there is four or three seconds left and they're taking in an inbounds, you foul immediately. OK, I can understand that. But when they've got the ball with 12 seconds, what do you foul right then? Then, they're going to foul you and it becomes free throw shooting and you also open yourself up to losing the game. It's just not in our nature."

 

5) End of 1st OT. Game Timed. Suns have the ball with about 3 seconds left.

 

The Suns choose to use Nash as a decoy and try and exploit Diaw on Udoka in the post. Ginobili leaves the inbound man and comes to double on Diaw and trips him as his spins to take the shot. Clearly it was a foul and clearly these kinds of fouls are never called in situations like this.

 

Analysis: Without Amare on the floor and with Hill’s groin not well enough to trust with a shot the options were to get Steve the ball going towards the rim or the play they ran for Diaw. Remember that Diaw hit this same shot against Dallas a few years back and had been having a great game. I am not thrilled with the decision but don’t feel it was horrible either.

 

Give Manu credit for quickly leaving Hill and doubling the ball and causing Diaw to take an even tougher falling down shot (and for getting away with the trip).   

 

 

6) End of 2nd OT. Suns down by three with 20 seconds and the ball

 

This time the Suns run a play to free Nash and he hits it. The ball went into Diaw and Nash runs towards Diaw and gets the hand off pass and goes to the corner and knocks it down. Udoka and Bowen get tangled a bit and Udoka is slow to recover and switch over on Nash as Bowen switches on to Bell after the inbound pass. 

 

Analysis: Great play. The ball went into Diaw and he likely had the option of either Nash or Bell depending on who got open. Diaw makes the right pass and Nash knocks it down.

 

7) End of 2nd OT. Game tied. Spurs have the ball with 15 seconds.

 

Ginobili dribbles up the floor and isolates on Bell at the top of the Manu_shot_mediumarc. Bells fails to force Manu to drive to his right towards help and instead he’s able to get into the lane and hit the tough layup.

 

Analysis: I can’t top the breakdown of Bell’s defense from X’s and O’s .

The Spurs were smart not to call a time out and so the Suns didn’t have time to set up their defense and perhaps put Shaq in the game. Someone mentioned to me that Hill should have been on Manu at this point but:

 

a) there wasn’t time to set that up since the Spurs took the ball in quickly and Hill’s man went to the corner preventing the defensive switch

b) Hill’s groin left him as the lesser option at that point anyway

c) Bell has always guarded Manu well - you don't go away from at this point even if you have the option (which the Suns didn't)

 

 

Of all these key plays only one went the Suns way. Obviously, there were other big plays like Shaq's block on Manu resulting in a fast break layup by Barbosa or Nash's continued brilliance despite being ill. But these were the ones that will be remembered and six of seven went the Spurs way.  

 

Credit them for stepping up and credit the Suns for making them make six great plays to win a playoff game at home.

 

 

 

 

 

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Thanks, Phoenix Stan

This is a lot better than statistical analysis. It’s what the coaches do.

by ZonaFlash on Apr 20, 2008 7:29 PM MST reply actions  

Lots of good points

I liked your analysis, I had most of these thoughts during or after the game. Either way it was a sick game and I’m hoping for more repeats like these. I can’t remember the last time I was this excited over a spurs game. My thoughts on the game, The attempt by diaw I didn’t like at all, LB I thought was a decent attempt, and I’ll keep wondering if shaq being there would have forced a jumper (and possible miss by manu) cause he was blocked at that same spot very recently in that game.

Shaq:"The kobster, he's an assassin" Answer for who should be mvp.

by ldeep on Apr 20, 2008 9:21 PM MST reply actions  

Suns stupid plays

This game may have been affected by Shaq’s bad free throw shooting. I assume tha is why he wasn’t in at the end. Had he been in, Ginobli’s drive would have been more difficult. But Amare’s butt on the bench was also a killer. At least two of those fouls were questionable. I get tired of people saying, it’s playoff basketball, you’re never going to get that call. Amare gets them called no matter what. I have trouble remembering the last superstar who never got a break from the refs. Say all you want about his reputation, I still say he gets unfair treatment. Duncan had a few bumps with the body that threw some shots off.

If body contact affects the outcome of a play, it should be a foul, playoff or not. Period. I saw phantom calls on both sides, too. These refs suck. all you can hope for is that they suck equally for each team. fat chance against the Spurs.

However, the final sequences did feature a few bonehead plays by the suns. One time Nash should have kept the ball, but passed it. Another time amare plowed through KT instead of stopping for the short jumper. BTW, he is figuring this out, I saw him do it earlier in the game. Also, Shaq wheels around without looking and plows into someone for a foul. I say if he is going to do that, make the defender pay like maybe knocking the wind out of them once or twice. If you’re going to get the fouls, you might as well make them think twice about getting in your way.

'07-'08 Suns: It's clobberin' time!

by Hawk42 on Apr 21, 2008 6:26 AM MST reply actions  

No Shaq on the final drive

The reason that Shaq wasn’t on the floor for that final drive by Ginobili was this:

On the previous play the Suns were down by three and put in Hill, Bell, Diaw, Barbosa and Nash. While Timmy had already hit his big three I don’t think the Suns liked their chances of Shaq hitting one. So, they left him on the bench in favor of shooters. Makes sense.

Then after Nash hits his three the Suns have no timeouts and the Spurs don’t call one. This was a very smart play by the Pokovich to be prepared in case the Suns tied the game. So, Manu took the ball up court quickly and didn’t even really give the Suns D time to adjust or prepare. It was was just Manu e Bellu.

by Seth Pollack on Apr 21, 2008 7:32 AM MST up reply actions  

extra timeout

Remember the Suns’ last time out was called by Hill when he couldn’t get the ball in, even though Nash had broken free. I thought he should have been able to get him the ball. Could they have used that timeout?

'07-'08 Suns: It's clobberin' time!

by Hawk42 on Apr 21, 2008 11:56 AM MST up reply actions  

Phoenix Stan

great comments, I hadn’t mentioned the Diaw trip but it was obvious when watching it, such a shame nothing was called!!

by be-the-ball on Apr 21, 2008 8:53 AM MST reply actions  

Nice work, Stan

These were all big plays, and it’s hard to pick one play out of the whole game, but I think the Amare charge on Kurt was the real dagger, a different outcome on that one and the W goes in the Suns column.

Yes, the odds were good for the And-1, but either the jumper (he was open, and he’s so good at it), or even just holding the ball and running some clock (although the shot clock was running down, and the Spurs were going to get the ball back) probably would have been enough. The fact that Amare fouled out on the play really sealed the deal in the 2nd OT.

by SoCalSun on Apr 21, 2008 2:28 PM MST reply actions  

Amare doesn't switch

See – to me the biggest blown play was Amare not switching of Oberto to cover Finely off that screen. Its not like Finely is going to give the ball to Oberto in that situation.

The charge was big but I give a lot of credit to KT and if Amare says he didn’t see him, I am not going to question that. Its a basketball play and my little white ass isn’t going to second guess. The defensive lapse though…that was not a smart move.

by Seth Pollack on Apr 21, 2008 2:34 PM MST up reply actions  

I agree on amare...on the charge...I don't blame him but...

a smart player would’ve been looking out for that. It’s no secret that the spurs need to get our top 2 big guys in foul trouble to win. But, on the other hand, part of the greatness of Amare’s game is is aggressiveness…so. I’m used to seeing Amare move his body enough in one direction or another to avoid the charge…tough game to have so many chances.

by be-the-ball on Apr 21, 2008 5:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Just play ball

That is so right. If Amare and Shaq are not limited by fouls, the Spurs can’t win. It sounds kind of wimpy to me to base your whole game plan on getting calls from the officials. That is one reason I don’t like the college game. Teams usually have only one star, so they focus on trying to foul him out instead of playing mano a mano and may the best team win. It’s a shame the game has turned into that. That is why the Spurs are probably the most boring champion in memory. Popovich is the Bobby Knight of the NBA. I hate it. Quit trying to fool the refs and just PLAY.

'07-'08 Suns: It's clobberin' time!

by Hawk42 on Apr 22, 2008 6:32 AM MST up reply actions  

Sorry, but I have to say it

Doesn’t Moody look a little…. Metro?

by ZonaFlash on Apr 21, 2008 2:42 PM MST reply actions  

Why you hating

on da ‘Cek? Didn’t see him drain like three in a row to win that stuff pink thing? My man is CLUTCH!

by Seth Pollack on Apr 21, 2008 7:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Which??

Oh. You mean both pink things. =)

by ZonaFlash on Apr 22, 2008 12:18 AM MST up reply actions  

I hate that term

One of the lowlights of the times. We used to call it preppy, you know, with the hair gel and the Princeton sweater. I hate it when they go on an on about metro stuff on ESPN Mike and Mike. I think they are playing it a little, you know, the tough guy, Mike Ditka type vs the wimpy Greenberg that files his nails. I guress we are in the sensitive age of sports. Oh for the days of Frank Kush….

'07-'08 Suns: It's clobberin' time!

by Hawk42 on Apr 22, 2008 6:38 AM MST up reply actions  

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