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Suns, League, Media get rope-a-doped by the Spurs, 102-96

 

The Bad News First

 This just in. The Spurs are officially the best rope-a-dope team in the NBA ever. They do it during the season. They've done it in the past two games with the Suns. There was Amare on fire in the first half. Almost nothing in the second half. He got rope-a-doped.

 BallHype: hype it up!

Star-divide

 

You can complain all you want about the Suns folding, players disappearing, real or imaginary coaching mistakes, but a lot of comes down to that the Spurs are always a lot tougher than they look. Even in the first round, these are not your average NBA piss-boys, they are the defending champs and have the home court advantage. Even their fans are fooled. They came up with the "Mike Finished" nickname for Finley.  It was his one-man run to start the second half and his all-NBA post defense (LOL) on Doris Meow that was the difference.

 

My Knox ball-playing friend, K, is an econometrician that I went/still go to grad school with. He studies psychological biases in sports-betting. We were booked on stats and spent many late nights drinking while running regressions in a computer lab together. Anyway, he knows what he's talking about when he says:

 

I love how people deal with "random" outcomes. If Tim Duncan misses a three at the end of the game, which he surely does 75% of the time, then Steve Kerr is a genius for getting Shaq, Mike D'Antoni is a brilliant coach, and Steve Nash is MVP. But instead he makes it, and all those guys are worthless.

 

However, I wasn't so good at the stats. I say instead that TD's three was just par for the course, part of a larger picture of the Spurs dominance over the Suns. If it wasn't that three, it would have just been some other great play and the Spurs still winning that we would be talking about instead.

 

In fact, if you look back to the past series, I don't ever think the Suns were that close to beating them. Ever. Have we ever even taken them to 7? Even last year, maybe we win another game with Amare and Boris. Maybe we take them game 7 at home. Or maybe we still lose game 5 or a game 7. That's still not beating them. For this reason, I was a big Shaq booster. Better to blow up the team than to live in denial, on hope and ultimately with disappointment and despair.

 

 


The Good News

In the words of The Dude: "Nothing is f***ed here, man."

 

The Spurs held serve and we take it back to Phoenix for two more games. I never thought these first two games were "must win," but I will concede that the next two certainly are. We can look to steal game 5 or 7, provided we keep it together over the next two, which means - The Suns are not a team to take losses hard, just like they are not a team to take leads seriously either. They know what it means to be down 0-2, but they know they still have a real shot. They are NOT playing for pride, so you should not be watching that games just looking for hope in next year's roster.

 

We talk about next year when the Suns season is over, and not one moment before, please.

 

Other News that shows my forecasting supremacy (just kidding, I don't believe in forecasts).

[1] Three point shooting continues to ill. The best 3 point shooting team in the league shot 31% with only 4 makes. The Spurs also had 4 makes in 2 fewer tries for a better percentage.

[2] Unless the Suns sweep, this series is going 7 or to Spurs. I was right on my end-of-season prediction of 8 or 9 wins with 14 games to go, so I can only hope to be right again. Suns in 7.  Amen.

3] Expect the Suns to come out hot, read P. Stan's championship guide, make the right adjustments and get a win on Friday! These long breaks are the best hope for Grant to heal up a little more.

 

 


The Championship Piggyback Win-Just-One-Playoff-Series-Please! Piggyback

Ironically, the guy who piggybacked with the Suns for a championship, Grant Hill, may not even be able to piggyback his way to his very first playoff series victory - for the same reasons his Magic teams have always come up short - his mercurial inability to stay healthy. Had Hill been a bit less healthy earlier in the season, the Suns might have thought twice about trading Marion or doing so cheaply. Had Hill been a little less healthy latier in the regular season, the Suns might have developed Linton Johnson more. Instead, Hill's playoff unhealthiness could have Mailman-Laker type effects on this team's playoff hopes.

 


Question for you guys:

Who are the greatest players of all-time to never when a playoff series? Of the current three, Grant Hill, Tracy MacGrady and Paul Gasol, only the latter and the youngest looks probable to do it this year.

 

 

 

Poll
Who's second half disappearing act was the biggest?
Amare - 11 of 13 in the first half, 2 of 11 in the second
52 votes
Beep Beep never even made it to the Arena - 0-7, 0 points in 24 minutes
29 votes
Grant Hill - 5 minutes to start the half, 2 rebs & 1 steal
5 votes
Doris Meow - 0-4 on low post isos against (gasp!) Mike Finley
16 votes
Coach D's brain
28 votes
Suns' fans post-season hopes
47 votes

177 votes | Poll has closed

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Sorry warmup!

The original story, your post and my reply got moved and SBN can’t find it. I was able to back up the story but not the posts. Very sorry, man.

My response was something like:

Yeah, interesting that our bench didn’t show up.

Our Suns starters (positive +/) outplayed the Spurs starters (negative +/), but the Spurs bench, despite scoring only 3 points in the first half, were approximately +15, +/- cleaned our bench out who were approximately 15 +/.

One positive is that Pop showed some desperation in attempting Hack-a-Shaq. He also ran a TON of high PNRs… Suns’ll figure out how to deal with that.

I say sit Grant out the first half of the next game. Use him for defense in the second half. Start Diaw or LB so those guys can have great games. I think those guys need to have a great start when the defense is not as tight so that they have enough confidence later in the game.

by ZonaFlash on Apr 23, 2008 6:42 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Warmup's first post

new word of the day

"rope-a-doped"… It’s always interesting to learn new words. However, I’m sure there are a lot of new words which could have been used with the Suns this postseason which could have been more optimistic, provided they (the Suns) played really well for this last 2 games. By re-reading the live blog, it seems that the 3rd quarter must have been very painful to watch. Here we are again with damned offensive droughts (and 9 or 11 points quarters).

Your friend is right about "random outcomes", and you’re right about Spurs domination. That’s why it will be hard not to adopt a low profile attitude until the Suns show us they are able to at least win a game or two right now. Please, no more Spurs fans here for a few days… I don’t want to hear them anymore.

By the way, what happened with Hill, Diaw and Barbosa??? Hill is injured, ok. So why start him? Diaw: 2 rebds??? And Barbosa, 0 points??? Are they not interested to win a game? I’ll go on holliday for a week, and therefore, I won’t be able to watch the game or follow it here at BSotS… I just hope that when I come back, I’ll see you again, and not only to talk about next year!

Please, GO SUNS NOW

where full french Diaw has been absolutely owned by the other damned French (what’s is name?)

by warmup on Apr 23, 2008 8:09 AM EDT reply reply

by ZonaFlash on Apr 23, 2008 8:45 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

no matter for the post

I’m too lazy (and too busy) to rewrite it… You’re probably right about the bench/hill management, but I still don’t understand why the coach didn’t do exactly that yesterday!

And you’re right about popovitch using hack a Shaq strategy. like I say during the first game, I don’t understand how people can be suns fan when we see how they can play with no pride about how they win… last year game 4, these first two games… If the Suns wanted to plays à la Spurs, they could have brought Skinner or Sean Marks (hum, no… Skinner!), and Skinner could have brutaly put Manu on the floor when he was rolling coast to coast at the end of the second OT. Kind of statement that we could play ugly à la Horry and injure key player à la Bowen! I however prefer to play with pride, provided we are able to overcome these offensive droughts, which means that the bench has to step up, but starting 5 has too! it was not only a “bad bench” problem.

Anyway, I’m too sad to write more comments about my feeling, I want a win, that’s all. Not exactly all… a lot aof win. At leat, I don’t want any more defeat like those one! and no more defeat in this series!

where full french Diaw has been absolutely owned by the other damned French (what's is name?)

by warmup on Apr 23, 2008 7:17 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

We did wipe the floor with Tony Parker

I kind of am learning to respect the French. Of all the international players in the NBA, I think Turiaf, Diaw and Parker flop the least.

Can I get a witness on that?

by ZonaFlash on Apr 23, 2008 7:32 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen brother

Its the Argentenians that rule that category…Maradona was their idol instead of MJ

by Phoenix Stan on Apr 23, 2008 7:40 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ticked off - spent 30 mins posting replies

I hope this is not a trend – I lost two posts this morning. I’m not going to do them again.

'07-'08 Suns: It's clobberin' time!

by Hawk42 on Apr 23, 2008 7:36 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry about that but

check your email – I was able to cut and paste them so you can re-post here.

by Phoenix Stan on Apr 23, 2008 7:43 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

i noticed the software was being updated last night for a bit

sounds like a few things for the programmers to work on and we can expect some posts to be lost…? or something else?

by be-the-ball on Apr 23, 2008 9:08 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

No - there was just a glitch

in a feature that meant I couldn’t find this story. I hit “HIDE” rather than “EDIT” and then the link to the hidden version couldn’t be found in the system for a short while.

It eventually came back after a delay, but I had already reposted.

Sorry! That’s a long way to say, my mistake + a slow SBN system response caused the problem.

In the end, nothing was lost or should expect to be lost in the future, so post away.

by ZonaFlash on Apr 23, 2008 9:38 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amare missed some jumpshots (long)

but I thought his poor second half was due to the defense keying on him without worry about the other disappearing guys.

If those other guys don’t disappear, then Amare doesn’t have to play 1 on 5…

by ZonaFlash on Apr 23, 2008 8:02 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

For the first time in a long time

I am worried about this team. They have the talent, but I think they lack the heart. It pains me to type this, but last night’s 3rd quarter confirmed it for me. When the chips are down you hardly ever see this team “get up” in the middle of a game. There were several times you could just see the body language was almost scared. I don’t know if they lack an emotional leader or what, but it is killing me. Last night’s game took a lot out of me. I don’t want to talk to anyone. And yet I can’t help reading about it online. To clarify, I don’t agree that they need to physically impose their will. I want to see our bench players bounding over to the team at a time out, encouraging the players on the court. I want to see Amare and Nash get in their own teammates face and tell them that, “WE ARE NOT LOSING THIS GAME!” Instead, I see LB and Hill sitting on the bench with a look on their face that seems to say, “Don’t put me in coach.” I don’t know, maybe its the post-game hangover. I just miss the fire. Hopefully, they can rekindle it at home.

On the bright side: It was great seeing Diaw take control for a while (I think it was the 2nd quarter). Keep it up, Boris! Nobody on their second batch can hold you. Keep being aggressive!

by davidvangorp on Apr 23, 2008 8:05 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Last 3 years -> in the trash

For the first time in the Steve Nash era, I feel we conceded a playoff game. Popovich outran us in the 3rd quarter. I remember thinking, why is Nash walking the ball up? even with Shaq, we can outrun these guys. 7 seconds or less is oficially dead. It has been dying, but it is now gone. Finis. RIP.

I did not see us try anything different that whole quarter. We made it very easy on the Spurs. Nash comes down, gets a screen, the PNR is not there, he dribbles around and passes it to a confused teammate who takes an off-balance shot. I have seen this before. It was in the first round last year, Dallas-GS. The Mavs were just as nonplussed. D’Antoni says, “Nash will figure it out”. Well, Steve can’t figure it out if the players don’t move without the ball! I saw Steve, over and over getting mobbed by Spurs, and where are the other Suns? Camped at their designated spots, not moving a muscle. Is it D’A that told them not to move? Sheesh.

Amare was in a funk. He must have fumbled four or five passes. The expression on his face said it all. He was confused and perplexed. D’A would have been better off playing DJ then Barbosa. Then he might have gotten some defense.

We probably will win the two in Phoenix, but what a blown opportunity! How many times can we not show up for 48 minutes against the Spurs?

'07-'08 Suns: It's clobberin' time!

by Hawk42 on Apr 23, 2008 8:19 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

...to be utterly fair, the Spurs outran and outgunned Phoenix back in 2005 Western finals. 7 seconds or less has been living on borrowed time for over 3 years now.

chaos... panic... pandemonium... my work here is done.

by rick.2g on Apr 23, 2008 9:33 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Popovich suckered us again

Do you think it is possible that Pop had the Spurs lay low in the last two regular season games so he could surprise us in the playoffs? It seems to have worked. The Suns are so easy to psyche out. I bet Pop has fun with it:

Pop and Duncan at a bar in March

Pop: I’ve got a plan for those pesky Suns. We’ve got two regular season games left with them, so I think we can pull it off. They are better than we are, but I think I have come up with a way to catch them with their pants down.
Duncan: Let me have it coach. I need help. I don’t think I can keep up anymore.
Pop: Leave that to me. You just play. Miss a few free throws and easy layups here and there, and argue every call. give the refs the perplexed deer-in-the-headlights look. Throw the ball to Bowen instead of Manu.
Duncan: Man, coach, that’t brilliant. They will start to think they are stopping us, that’ll give them a big head.
Pop: for good measure, if anyone gets hot, I’ll yank them. I’ll have the floppers flop more than usual, and when Tony gets hit, I’ll have him stay down so they think he is injured.
Duncan: I can’t wait. And I’ll let Stoudemire blow past me a few times so he starts to think we can’t stop him.
Pop: That scouting report on the fragile psyche of the Suns players we got from KT will come in handy in the playoffs. but for now, lets make believe we can’t figure them out.
Duncan: Great. Hey coach, how does Horry wear that 5th championship ring? can it be sized for the thumb?

'07-'08 Suns: It's clobberin' time!

by Hawk42 on Apr 23, 2008 8:21 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

funny...

but that last Duncan line about Horry’s thumb ring kinda hurt… :(

by KJ7 on Apr 23, 2008 8:40 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

i suggested it after seeing the suns win that game a few weeks ago

the spurs were playing too well and then disappeared in the 4th, I really think they might have lost on purpose.of course…in these last 2 games, we beat ourselves as much as they beat us

by be-the-ball on Apr 23, 2008 9:12 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

We didn't lose on purpose. You beat us in those games.

But you have to remember that the playoffs are a different animal than the regular season. You give us a team to prepare for and 7 games to beat them 4 times and I love our chances. But guys, it’s only 2 games… we did what we were supposed to do and win on our home court. We blew a 2-0 lead against the Pistons in 05 so this is far from over. I will be the first to admit that I really don’t see us wining on Friday. Mark my words, Sunday will be the defining moment of this series.

Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.

by CMoney on Apr 23, 2008 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Knew it wouldn't be long before a spurs fan chimed in

So you don’t buy Pop’s psych job? He’s known for that. He did it in 05 in that last regular season game by holding out Duncan and Ginobli.

'07-'08 Suns: It's clobberin' time!

by Hawk42 on Apr 23, 2008 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe in

Pop’s ability to out coach anyone on the hardwood. Watching Pop vs D’Antoni is like watching Bob Stoops vs Mack Brown. And that wasn’t a psych job in 05, he was simply resting Duncan and Ginobili before the playoffs. Pop has always preached that being healthy and rested is more important than a seeding/ record.

Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.

by CMoney on Apr 23, 2008 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pop vs D'Antoni

You’ll get no argument with me on that. If we swiched coaches, Pop would easily win the ‘chip with this roster.

'07-'08 Suns: It's clobberin' time!

by Hawk42 on Apr 23, 2008 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

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