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Suns 2008 Player review

We must go forward!  Let's see what we have.  A good review of players is here .   I will attempt to put a fan spin on it, with my take from my viewing and reading experience.

Steve Nash

Overall, a nice season, 17 and 11,  with over 50% from the field, 47% from three, and 90% from the line.  His assist average tailed toward the end of the year due to the shift in offensive emphasis that came with the Shaq trade. 

Contract status:

Signed through 2008-2009, with a team option in 2009-2010.  His 2008-2009 salary is $12,250,000.  Unless Steve has a disastrous season next year, I would think the Suns exercising the option would be a no-brainer.  If Steve and the team have another good year,  thought should be given to an extension before exercising the option.

Observations:

The coaching braintrust needs to put their heads together and devise an offense that will take greater advantage of Steve's dazzling shooting numbers.  Part of Nash's great value is that he offers much more on offense than he hurts on defense.  I believe we should devise sets where Steve is the off-guard.  In addition, we must re-establish his value as an improvisational floor general in the 2004-2005 mold.  Specifically, bring the pick and roll out of hiding and re-establish it as a feared bread-and-butter play.  In addition, the alley-oop must come back.  STAT and Shaq can be on the receiving end of these, but I see no reason that Hill and Diaw cannot fill the Matrix role in this crowd-pleasing play.  These plays must be honed to perfection.

Shaquille O'Neal

Mixed results for the Suns.  At times, Shaq appeared to be the missing piece.  Other times he just looked old.  He averaged about  12 and 10 in a Suns uni.  His effect on the play of Amare was positive.

Contract status:

Signed through 2009-2010.  His 2008-2009 salary is $20,000,000.  There's nothing we can do about this unless Shaq offers to renegotiate for another year or retire, or if some team like the Knicks wants him.

Observations:

As stated before, At times he looked like just what we wanted.  We can't help the free throws.  I think Shaq needs to concentrate on getting some more lift and making close-in shopts.  I think he missed two or three of those per game.  The passers often got him the ball too far out.  When Shaq was with the Lakers, he would pass it back out, re-establish position closer in, then get a return pass.  Often I saw Shaq pass it back out, only to see it go somewhere else.

Raja Bell

The stats were down a bit due to a slow start and injuries.  He came on, however, and provided some good offense down the stretch and in the playoffs, as well as his usual solid D.  his 12 ppg and 40% from 3 were about what we have come to expect.

Contract status:

Signed through 2009-2010.  His 2008-2009 salary is $5,000,000.  This is a favorable contract for the Suns.

Observations: 

We know what we are getting with Raja.  I saw him drive a bit more this year.  This is something we should use.  He isn't the best on the dribble, but I was pleased to see it as it puts more pressure on the defense.  There are some who say he has lost a lot on defense, but I haven't seen it.  At his contract, he is a keeper.

Amare Stoudemire

Amare finished witha 25 and 9 season with a 58% shooting percentage.  These numbers are strikingly similar to his breakout season of 2004-2005.  The difference is that he has developed his midrange jump shot, which became very reliable.  That shot deserted him in the Spur series, but there's no reason to believe it won't be back.  His rebounding declined after Shaq came on, but the scoring went up.

Contract status:

Signed through 2009-2010, with a player option for 2010-2011.  His 2008-2009 salary is $15,070,550.  It is reasonable to assume that if the team prospects are not looking up, he will decline the option and test the market at that time, especially if he has not had more knee trouble.

Observations:

Amare has become a franchise player.  He has made defensive strides, which must continue.  Tim Duncan no longer routinely abuses him.  I saw some of the best sequences I have ever seen in the elimination game.  His rebounding has suffered, though.  I think that even with Shaq around, he should still average 10-12 rebounds.  The biggest improvement I want to see is meshing with Boris.  If those two really want to win, they would spend some time over the summer focusing on each others' games.  One other note - the normally surehanded Amare muffed a few passes that I usually see him scoop up like Lester Hayes with his stickum.  I have to think that was an aberration.  Keep the man.

Boris Diaw

Boris completed an up and down season where at times he appeared lifeless, and at times he flashed the form of the 05-06 playoffs.  He finished at about 8 points and 4 assists, his worst statistical season as a Sun.  In the playoffs, he showed more value, having a pair of 20 point games including a near triple double in the lone win.

Contract status:

Signed through 2010-2011, with a player option in 2011-2012.  His 2008-2009 salary is $9,000,000.  One positive thing about this contract is that it never goes up.   right now, I would think he would be difficult to trade, unless some team thinks they can coax a consistent 15-8-8 out of him, which I consider Boris entirely capable of accomplishing.

Observations:  A mixed result this season.  The contract is an albatross unless Boris decides to become more consistent and bring it every night.  As I mentioned in Amare's review, the future of the Suns rests on whether these two can mesh their games or not.  If a GM comes up with an offer for Boris, we would be tempted.  I think if D'Antoni is gone, Boris would be shopped also.  I still say he is unguardable if he puts his mind to it.  I would like to see him and Amare as bookend forwards for the next four years.  Can he visit Amare's trainer?

Leandro Barbosa

Leo is infuriating as he is amazing.  The Brazilian Blur is still as quick as anyone.  His jumper deserted him toward season's end, but he still followed up his Sixth Man of the Year season with solid 15 ppg numbers.  He still misses way too many layups, or his FG % would be well over 50%.

Contract status:

Signed through 2010-2011, with a player option for 2011-2012.  His 2008-2009 salary is $6,100,000.  There are those that say he is trade bait, but this contract is favorable.

Observations.

LB had a nice year except for the aforementioned layups.  He has shown signs of being able to handle end of quarter and late game situations, but still has trouble in that are.  I feel like if ha can avoid stupid fouls, and concentrate on making those flying layups, he could continue to be our instant offense.  I would keep him, but listen to any offers.  If he is the key to getting Kevin Love of Batum, I would be very tempted to deal, especially if Tucker's shot has improved like they say it has.

Grant Hill

What's not to like?  Except for that untimely injury bug, Grant was just what the doctor ordered for the Suns.  He averaged 14 points, and provided a n extra passer.  I think he suffered after the addition of O'Neal, which congested the lane more, but oveall a nice surprise.

Contract status:

Grant holds a player option for 2008-2009.  His 2008-2009 salary would be $1,9760,400. This is a bargain, and the Suns should do everything in their power to get him to exercise the option.  If D'Antoni goes, there is a chance Grant would not re-up, especially if the new coach is a practice monster.

Observations:

I like Grant's game.  He developed a serviceable 3 point shot, and filled in admirably in Marion's defensive role after the trade.  I think he will be coming off tyhe bech with reduced minutes.  It is hard not to conclude that the groin injury was at least partly due to overuse.  GH adds a lot to the team, and it was a big blow to not have him in the playoffs.  Keep him.

Brian Skinner

Skinner was at times just what the Suns wanted, KT lite, if you will.  He didn't have Thomas' nasty streak, and he can't shoot free throws, but the Suns were surprised to see he can shoot, and that he adds some shotblocking.  He somehow ended up on the DNP list for a while, and in the Spur series showed that he is no KT.

Contract status:

He completed his contract at the end of the playoffs.  The Suns should try to keep him if the draft does not yield a frontcourt player.  He may be looking for more than the MDE, and he just does not offer enough for that.

Observations:

He is a nice player to have as the 8th or 9th man, but he should have been used more.  As I said above, the Suns should consider keeping him only if the draft yields a guard or small forward.  If we get Kevin Love, Skinner is gone.

Gordan Giricek

Gordan was a pleasent surprise.  He is versatile enough to be the sixth man and spot starter for Raja.  He had several games in double figures, and his defense was to me a surprise.

Contract status:

He completed his contract at the end of the playoffs.  In my mind, Gordan was a steal, and could even get someone's midlevel exception.  I think we should use part of it on him.  This is a valuable player who can plug a lot of holes.

Observations:

As said, Gordan was a nice surprise, and will be in demand.  I especially liked his defense and the fact that he can handle the ball, and make decisions.  We should concentrate on freeing him on screens .  Try to keep him.

Alando Tucker

AT has been a forgotten man in the Suns' scheme.  In limited minutes ha flashed some scoring ability, but also showed the tendency to think he is still in college and playing against 6-7 centers.

Contract status:

Signed through 2008-2009, with team options for 2009-2010 and 2010-2011.  We can keep hin the year after that with a qualifying offer.  His 2008-2009 salary is $1,101,880.  In effect, this is alando's contract year, since he will not be renewed unbless he shows some value on the court.

We have heard that he has developed a shot.  I saw his gaudy DL numbers, but I seriously doubt the big men are even up to Big Ten status in that league.  However, shooting percentages don't lie, and he did develop a jumper.  But in the games he did play late in the season, he seemed to revert to trying to take it inside, where his size is against him.  Whether we pick up his option after next season is up for debate, but for now, he seems a lock for next year's team.

DJ Strawberry

DJ showed NBA caliber defense that will keep him in the league for a while.  The shot looks ugly, and his decision making is what you would expecy t for a rookie.  But I like him.

Contract status

The Suns have a team option for 2008-2009 for $711,517.  I consider this money well spent.  His deal is not a burden.

Observations:

Keep DJ!  I like the defensive attitude.  He and Leandro need to spend some time together.  His shot clanking is a concern, so I would have him shoot 1000 jumpers a day all summer, then play on the Summer team again.

Eric Piatowski

Eric had a good season as lead towell-waver.  He didn't offer much, but hit an occasional 3 to let us know he was still there.

Contract status:

He has completed his contract, and is a free agent.

Observations:

There is no reason that I can think of why Pike should be on next year's team.  He should retire.

Sean Marks

Sean showed some ability to hit shots, rebound, and even shot-block.  When he played, it was mostly in a blowout game.

Contract status:

He has completed his contract, and is a free agent.

Observations:

I do not think he should be retained, unless the Suns do not add any other third center option.  since they have several forwards (Diaw, STAT) that can play center, I say goodbye to Marks.

Linton Johnson

LJ showed some athleticism in his 10 day contract.

Contract status:

He has completed his contract, and is a free agent.

Observations:

Linton should work hard over the summer, and someone, perhaps the Suns, will extend him a training camp contract or a minumum make good so he could play on the summer league team.

#15 draft choice

I am including this in the review because this Hawk's pick has been around for so long, it almost seems like part of the team.  There are a wide range of bodies available, and it is imperative that the Suns strike gold on this pick.

Contract status:

The #15 pick carried a $1,308,000 salary for the 2007 draft class.  This will go up maybe 5%.

Observation:

I am hoping for Kevin Love or Nicholas Batum, but Donta Green and Darrell Arthur have been bandied about.  Some of you want DJ Augustin, but I am not sure.  He is probably no more than Brevin Knight, but could be Iverson.  Outside of the fire-the-coach talk, this will be the main source of conversation for Suns fans for the next two months.

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Very well done!

Great way to kick off the player/roster discussion that as you said will dominate for the next few months.

by Phoenix Stan on May 1, 2008 11:30 AM MDT   0 recs

Post

Thanks, but I’ve already found four typos. This new format is harder to proofread.

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on May 2, 2008 9:09 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Word

Write it in Word, then spell-check, then cut-and-paste

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on May 2, 2008 10:26 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Fonts

I have tried that and for some reason the fonts get screwed up…

I usually draft online then copy into word and spell check and then go back and fix in the post…

But let’s be clear – grammar/spelling police will NOT be tolerated around these parts….we are sports fans for christ’s sake. This isn’t an english lit blog! If someone can’t take some typos, spelling and grammar mistakes then they should Go Away!

by Phoenix Stan on May 2, 2008 10:35 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

It hurts my eyes a little bit, but I'll live

Minor typos are okay, but I will be running amok on those who:

- don’t know when to use “its” when “it’s” is appropriate
- misuse “their” “there” and “they’re”
—and, most importantly, can’t spell curse words

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on May 2, 2008 10:45 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

When I type fast or multitasking

I get they’re their and there wrong, but I assure you, I know the correct one.

Wondering what the skip-2-my-loo to do next with my empty summer

by ZonaFlash on May 2, 2008 12:14 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL

Funny, I sparked 9 comments by mentioning typos.

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on May 2, 2008 5:49 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't get me started

Don’t get me started on short-hand text-message stuff, either.

LOL, indeed. Will u b my bff? l8r

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on May 2, 2008 5:57 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

RE: Piatkowski and Marks

Going, going, gone, please. I’d rather see the Suns take flyers on young D-League All-Stars than put another couple of 30+ year-old oilcans on the bench. Or something to that effect. We have “veteran presence” galore in our starting line-up.

by Mike Lisboa on May 1, 2008 12:23 PM MDT   0 recs

Great post!

I agree with keeping Giricek and Linton. If they are given more playing time, they can turn into great back ups. Not that Giri has not done a great job already, but I think he can play better.

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on May 1, 2008 12:45 PM MDT   0 recs

Kerr really seems to value

the affect that Pike and Marks have in the lockerroom, so I’m afraid we may be seeing them next year.

I really do think Marks can play, but he hasn’t gotten the chance to prove himself.

by rsavaj on May 1, 2008 12:50 PM MDT   0 recs

What else can you get for a million dollars a head,

basketball wise? We’re still over the luxury tax so, there is no help coming!

Where doubting Thomases believe

by ZonaFlash on May 1, 2008 12:58 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

mythical locker room presence

Has anyone in the media ever attempted to do an exposee of the Pike-Marks ‘locker room’ effect? I keep hearing about it, but it would be nice to get some inside info. Are they mentors for younger players? Do they stop fights? Or maybe they are DJs that control the music so that nobody gets their butt bent out of shape ala Van Gundy-Charlie Ward with the Knicks.

Maybe JSun or Phoenix Stan with their contacts could help. I am very curious that this fabled ‘locker room presence’ is worth two roster spots on one of the better basketball teams on the planet.

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on May 1, 2008 1:05 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

locker room presence

At the end of the bench, what you want are veterans who will not chafe at the lack of playing time, and set a good example for the younger players. If the entire “fitness club” is filled with up-and-comers trying to make their mark, the likelihood of dissension grows.

by SoCalSun on May 1, 2008 4:13 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

My contacts say ...

If they don’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of getting PT, then why not keep a couple of goofy guys in the locker room? Paul Shirley, anyone?

Who else but Pike would actually be warming-up during time-outs of close games when he knew he wasn’t getting in? Last year was hilarious during time-outs. Pike would be jumping up and down, all intense, and Jalen Rose would be watching the jumbotron to see which color car won $5 of Jack-in-the-Box for his section.

I agree with trying to load up the team, but, really, they’ve got to get PT. Do not moan about Rondo. He would never have seen the light of day in Phoenix. You should be happy for the guy that Coach Antoni didn’t squish his hoops dreams into orange goo.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on May 1, 2008 5:36 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree

If that’s the case, Hire me! I swear I’ll make great jokes and stop fights. And I’ll try to cover Shaq on the post in practices without flopping!!

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on May 1, 2008 1:16 PM MDT   0 recs

Shaq's freethrows

Why shouldn’t we expect Shaq to work on his free throws over the summer? If Amare can improve his jumper so significantly, Shaq can improve his free throws. I’m sure he’d rather not have to make the effort. After all, if he were committed to addressing the issue, it wouldn’t be an issue any more.

But why can’t the coach say, “Look, you’re going to be sitting the last four or five minutes of every quarter of every close game unless you can address this problem.”

Does that option hurt the Suns more than it hurts Shaq? Is that why you can’t do it?

by beatcal on May 1, 2008 1:18 PM MDT   0 recs

i agree...but

it hurts us any way you cut it, if the coaces don’t push, he’ll be the same miserable ff shooter, if they do push and say something to the effect of what you suggested (cut playing time), it’d really hurt us to be spending $20,000,000 on a player we don’t play, or play very limited.

I love shaq and love that he’s on our team. But, we would’ve been better served getting 2 very good big men for $10,000,000 each than shaq. But, since he’s on the team, I’m going to enjoy what I can, and cry when some team that knows they’d lose unless they put shaq on the line, abuses the fans and league with off the ball fouling. Unlike last year, besides the normal bad call that were equally spread out, this year we beat ourselves. I have to think as a fan that many of the spur players secretly felt the off the ball hack a shaq was cowardly and bad for the nba and its fans, there’s a 1000 reasons why the suns have more fans and have never won a title vs the spurs having less fans and have won 4 or whatever.

Obviously this is a guess, but D’antoni cares more about the nba than pop, and if the roles were reversed, I doubt we’d see D’antoni pulling the off the ball hack a shaq. Not to the extent the spurs pulled it. Even if we won those games, some of it was pure shit to watch because of the hack a shaq off the ball. I have less respect than ever for the spurs by doing this.

by be-the-ball on May 1, 2008 1:30 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

2 things

1) Shaq’s not going to get any better at the free-throw line. There are endless tales from his teammates and coaches over the course of his career at every stop that he spends hours and hours shooting free throws, and makes a fair amount in practice, but it just doesn’t show up in game.

2) I’m pretty much taking the high road on the loss to the Spurs, and I think the hack-a-Shaq didn’t specifically lose the series for the Suns—put it this way, it was a factor, but the Suns could have overcome that. That said, as if I didn’t have enough reasons to hate the Spurs, now I have one more. It was within the rules, but it was bush league, and it just adds to the fact that Spurs games are boring for everyone involved, including Spurs fans, who are unable to look see their own boredom as they are blinded by the admitted bright gleam of championship hardware.

by SoCalSun on May 1, 2008 4:44 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

youth....?

I think at least one of Marks or Piatowski should go, and that money invested elsewhere. Whether there is any other promising D-League talent or otherwise….But I guess we’ll see what our options are after the D’Antoni scenario plays out….

by dang on May 1, 2008 3:05 PM MDT   0 recs

Rod Benson

This guy is storied to be leaving the D-League and heading over to Europe to earn the “big” bucks. Supposedly, he is tired of waiting to get a call up to the NBA. According to HardwoodParoxysm, he is the only player on the All D-League Teams to not have been called up. I think he was the second team center this year. My thinking of why he hasn’t made it to the NBA is his offense. This guy is not a scorer in the D-League. However, he is and has been the leading rebounder of the D-League for a couple of years, as far as I know. He is a high charisma guy who is very entertaining (his blog, his songs, the BoomTho movement). And he’s busting his butt rebounding to get into the NBA. Now, let’s see, which NBA team might be able to use a big man with a knack for rebounding once their $20M center goes down?? The Phoenix Suns!!! Let’s get him!

by RealTangiblesGuy on May 1, 2008 4:50 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Let me begin now:

I would like to officially begin my “Do Not Draft Kevin Love Under Any Circumstances” campaign. He’s not a bad player, but he isn’t for us.

We’ve already seen the great benefit of having a big man who can’t move his feet. Let’s not extend that “benefit” into the future. Furthermore, he’s a limited upside type of player. So what you see is what you get, and slow, overweight guy who can’t jump isn’t what we should be shooting for no matter how well he passes.

Luckily, I’m pretty sure he won’t make it to 15. Thank you Bobcats (or whomever else takes him)

Tomorrow, I think I’ll begin the “Do Not Draft D.J. Augustin Under Any Circumstances” campaign.

Decision '08: Batum or Alexander

by rosewood on May 1, 2008 3:18 PM MDT   0 recs

Agreed on Love

I am not a big NCAA fan but I am NOT impressed w/ this kid

by Phoenix Stan on May 1, 2008 4:34 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

OK, no love for Love

Who do you like?

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on May 1, 2008 6:19 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

You're askin the wrong guy

I am really going to need to bone up on the top 20 or so players to answer that….

haven’t had time – right now I am working on a plan for the Hornets to beat the Spurs…

by Phoenix Stan on May 1, 2008 6:34 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

What for

Whaddya mean? I thought the season was over. Are they still playing basketball?

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on May 1, 2008 9:52 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Trade LB?

This is intriguing.

At his contract price and his output, he is a steal. LB packaged with #15 might be interesting to someone, and the Suns could move up in the draft. That could be interesting.

Side rant: No one will ever take Boris. Especially with Isaiah out of office. His per-dollar production makes him an even bigger albatross than The Big Role Player’s salary. At the same time, I wouldn’t mind seeing a starting front court of 7’1”, 6’10” and 6’8” (although Boris is the smallest 6’8” 250 lbs man on the planet).

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on May 1, 2008 5:41 PM MDT   0 recs

If the Suns...

Trade the #15 and LB, I will, one by one, pluck out all of Steve Kerr’s eyelashes. That’s one-third of our future assets. Let’s not be short-sighted.

I mean, who are we really going to get to make the difference that might be available and has a similar cap hit? Ron Artest?

Do our best now but let’s not sacrifice anymore of the future.

Decision '08: Batum or Alexander

by rosewood on May 1, 2008 7:35 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't Know Enough

I don’t know enough about the draft class to know if the option exists, but LB has been shown to be erratic.

My point is simply that if LB and the #15 lands a great pick (PG of the future??), then it should be an option. Also, it should be interesting to a team wanting a 15 ppg performer at a good price.

That would give the Suns more future.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on May 1, 2008 11:05 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Bayless

Well, if we could trade up to get say Jerryd Bayless (we have no shot at Rose) then I could live with that. I just don’t know if LB and a #15 is enough to get into the top 4 (where we’d have to be).
Maybe. I guess it will depend on who lands at 3 and 4.

But after Bayless, the PG pickings thin out: there’s Mayo (who’s top 10) but he’s not really much of a distributor; there’s Augustin (who we could get at 15), but I worry about his size and defense-upside; then there’s Ty Lawson and Mario Chalmers, but we could trade down to get either of them. We really got screwed when Darren Collison decided to stay in school, since he would have been the best value at 15.

But right now there’s a ton of value in swingmen and bigs at 15, and, luckily, we need those too.

Decision '08: Batum or Alexander

by rosewood on May 2, 2008 6:34 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

The Great Coach Debate

I think a lot of this depends on the outcome of the debate this week. The team’s most immediate needs are at PG and Center. But at 15 you have to pretty much go with the best available player so that means making other moves like trading LB for one of those pieces, unless you can get Artest for him.

Ok, clearly I havn’t thought this through yet. Plenty of time and we have some plans for big roster move / draft discussions in the works.

by Phoenix Stan on May 2, 2008 8:53 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Rush

The one player that impressed me in the tournament was Brandon Rush. Remember, Augustin could not score against Derrick Rose.

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on May 1, 2008 6:21 PM MDT   0 recs

I like Rush

but he’s kind of a not so huge upside guy as well, and I think we could do better at 15. That said, a guy like Rush really makes me wish we hadn’t traded our other pick to Seattle, b/c Rush would look great at 24.

At 15, I like (in order): Nicolas Batum, Joe Alexander, Chase Budinger, Mareese Speights, Chris Douglas-Roberts, Javale McGee, Kosta Koufas, Darrell Arthur, Donte Greene.

If the Suns take any of these guys I’m more or less happy.

In the second round…Nathan Jawai, Bill Walker, Joey Dorsey, or Antonio Anderson.

Decision '08: Batum or Alexander

by rosewood on May 1, 2008 7:27 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

McGee

nbadraft,com has us taking McGee. I would be happy with that. 7 foot, 240, solid player with a lot of upside.

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on May 1, 2008 9:55 PM MDT   0 recs

Can we get Carl Landry?

Is he in the draft? What about John Maxiel?

Wondering what the skip-2-my-loo to do next with my empty summer

by ZonaFlash on May 2, 2008 12:16 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

tried that

We thought we had him, but he won’t rebound or play defense.

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on May 2, 2008 5:51 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

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