D’Antoni + Marbury + Knicks = 24 second violation?
Let’s not forget that Coach D was here before the fun started. To be specific, his record was 21-40 after he took over in the 2003-04 season. We all know what happened afterwards, Nash came and we were witnesses of a great style of basketball, fun, entertaining, successful.
How much of this can be credited to Coach D?
I’ve always thought that good coaches win games like this:
1. Good defensive strategy
2. Good offensive strategy
3. Bench rotation
4. Timing using timeouts and good use of fouls.
Non-existent, wait... not so fast. We always heard on the broadcasts that the Suns defense was better than advertised, underrated and if you think about it, they were right. Most of the fast breaks were fueled by good defense, we would see
The run n gun encourages good defense because by playing it, you score faster on the other end. The only problem with Mike’s run n gun was that he relied too much on his player’s athleticism on the defensive end. He didn’t take enough time in practices to teach players how to rotate on defense, how to come off screens, how to double team better, how to be a better one on one defender. There was never a strategy per se.
You can tell by just looking at other teams and comparing them to the Suns. Celtics and Spurs are disciplined, they rotate, and they communicate well on the floor. It’s a collective effort only achievable with hours of practice. Enough said.
Good Offensive Strategy:
Coach Mike is a genius, he would draw plays and the Suns would execute perfectly. Pick and roll, high screens, player positioning. He was blessed to have players capable of performing at a high offensive level, able to make big shots, able to run plays at a high speed. He created the number one offense in a very difficult league, players no known for their scoring abilities became three point threats and dunking machines.
The run n gun is a very difficult system, not all players can perform well in it. Good conditioning and athleticism are very important, great shooting and passing skills are required. If one of the players does not fit the profile, the system will fail. Developing a bench is not part of the philosophy. That’s why you would see coaches like Mike and Don Nelson stick to their short rotation. This is one of the biggest flaws of the system, players lucky or unlucky enough to play, end up tired after the regular season and bench players are out of rhythm whenever they are asked to perform not to mention unhappy.
Coach is not good doing these. He was reluctant to call timeouts because it affected the team’s rhythm. He used to hate fouling also, using the same excuse. Timeouts are used wisely by coaches to stop the other team’s rhythm and smart fouling can buy you some points.
So, can D’Antoni make it work in NY with their current roster?
The coach or the players? A combination of the two?
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good article
I think it was a mix of his offensive genius and having 3-5 players that really fit. What ever I think of Amare, there’s no denying he fit this system better than almost anyone his size could. Like the cheetah is born for speed, the Matrix was born for the suns.
Take that system away into a half court game and we quickly see Nash needs a season to get good at that, and likely will not shine like he did on the fast break.
I read an article that said the downfall of the suns style came before shaq, it came with grant hill. And I love Hill, but the thoughts made sense. The article basically said our system needs great three point shooters to spread the floor, and runners. Hill is neither, which is funny, because he is a great defender, a great teammate, drives to the hole very, very well, but I agree with the article’s points. Shaq only magnified this, but, we did need that center who could do what Amare and Marion never could. The only 2 missed thoughts, for $20 million, I’d think we could’ve gotten someone better or 2 players than 1 bad free throw shooting shaq. And I love shaq, but if the rule stays in place about allowing hack-a-shaq (which it likely will), we’re in trouble. As are the fans….what a horrible game to watch (the hack a shaq) from either side as a fan.
by be-the-ball on May 12, 2008 11:56 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great post
Well said. I agree with your thoughts, especially on the defensive end – the Suns were better than people said, but at the same time, if you don’t take the time to work on your defense, how do you get better at it, as an individual, and as a team?
Good point about the lack of development of the bench in the Run N Gun system – physically it sure does take its toll.
by dang on May 12, 2008 2:57 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
About the D
Sure, coaching on defense makes a difference, but if the players won’t buy in, it ain’t gonna happen. In this case, thr biggest disappointment has to be Amare at this point, with his athleticism, and obvious hunger to improve offensively, he should be able to improve at the other end of the court. Look at Boston, the league’s best D: same crappy coach as last year, but with Garnett and posey on the squad, with rondo and perk, they’re awesome, last year, not so much. Switch KG with Amare, at least defensively, Phoenix woulda been solid.
Also, like you said, the rotation was too tight, but you also mentioned the system he ran needed skilled, athletic players, which the front office could have provided him with in abundance, but chose not to. The decisions made by the FO left him with a shortened bench.
by tkired on May 12, 2008 8:42 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
But remember
That Amare was drafted right out of highschool. He wasn’t taught defense there and when he came to the NBA he was drafted by a team that didn’t practice defense. So I guess it’s not his fault. Maybe…
Good point about the Celtics and Garnett, I believe that the addition of elite players can energize a whole team and that’s the case with the Celtics. KG is a leader, everybody follows his lead.
I agree with you about the FO screwing up, but lets not forget that coach D had players, in his bench, that were able to play in his system. Banks was one of them, and he chose not to play him. If it was an attitude problem…. maybe he should have benched Marion also.
I remember several games were Banks played good, shot the ball well, made hustle plays and that’s tough to do when you have been sitting on the bench for a long time. Mike knew that Marcus was able to fit in the Run n Gun, otherwise he wouldn’t have paid him a bunch of money.
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by PanamaSun on May 13, 2008 8:11 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can see your point.
Its a bit difficult to tell which was more to blame, coaches or players, but the next few years will tell us a lot about that. With Marcus Banks, i don’t know if D’antoni could have done much better with him, he has not shown much since heading to Miami.
Also, D takes time, like you all have said, and this year there was a lot of roster changes, would have been easier to evaluate with most of the roster back for next season.
by tkired on May 13, 2008 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
D'antoni in NY
He says he will win with the current roster, but i don’t see how. Supposedly, he can and will adjust his system to fit his players, which he did do successfully in Italy, but hasn’t had a chance to prove much in the NBA. I think it all depends on the PG situation in NY, as I doubt he is very excited about being reunited with marbury, and nate rob has yet to show consistency.
by tkired on May 13, 2008 12:34 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Clearly NY
is short at PG but they do have a low draft pick and a LOT of other talent.
I think the biggest adjustment is just not playing Zebo and Curry at the same time. They have plenty of guys that can score and if he can get them to shoot faster and share the ball just a little more they will be decent offensively even w/o a solid PG. Too much talent not to.
Of course they will suck on D but at least they will be more entertaining for the NY fans and that should buy a year to clear out the roster. They HAVE to move either Curry or Zebo and you have to think someone will take one of those guys. They both can play – they just can’t play together.
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by Phoenix Stan on May 14, 2008 9:03 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
makes sense
I think he could make a decent offense out there, and i agree Randolph can play, however he does NOT share the ball at all, he’s a solid near 20-10 PF, but his Defense, lack of speed, and the fact he will stifle ball movement doesn’t bode well for a good flow on offense, or good rotations on D. Curry is much more inconsistent, will be interesting to see if any coach can get through to him. Looking forward to see if David Lee will start though, and if crawford can be more efficient with d’antoni.
by tkired on May 15, 2008 8:29 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs


















