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A Battle of Evil vs. The Mamba

It's your worst nightmare Suns fans:  Evil vs. The Black Mamba.

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From a pure basketball standpoint there are some interesting match-ups.

  • Can Odom or Gasol hope to stop Timmy? (nope)
  • Can Derek Fisher keep Parker out of the lane? (nope)
  • Can Manu attack Kobe off the dribble? (nope)
  • Do Suns fan actually root for Bowen when he's locked tight on Kobe's jock? (nope)
  • Can Pop out- coach Jax and get his team to the finals again? (nope)

But for Sun's fans it's a lose-lose series. Go Pistons.

For those who don't understand why this pairing is so painful for Suns faithful let me provide a little history. The Suns franchise has been to the playoffs 28 times in 40 seasons (and if  you eliminate the first  few years then its 27 playoff appearances out of the last 33 years).

Needless to say, each of those playoff runs have ended in defeat. 8 times it was the Lakers, our hated neighbors to the west, and 6 times it was the evil empire from Texas that ended our season.

That's a total of 14 playoff defeats at the hands of either the Spurs or Lakers. 

For many like me that grew up with the 80's Suns teams, it was the Lakers 6 out of 8 times between 1979 and 1990 that started the hot summer early. For more recent Suns fans its been the Spurs responsible for 4 out the last 5 playoff defeats.

Hate my friends is born from defeat and Suns fans have plenty of reasons to hate both of these teams.

[Note by Phoenix Stan, 05/20/08 9:21 AM PDT ]

After a coffee cup's worth of careful consideration I have decided that I am pulling for the Lakers to win this one. It's a decision based purely on basketball style and the potential for a Lakers / Piston's or Celtics match-up.

For all of their machine-like efficiency and preternaturally precise rotations, I just can't bring myself  to watch another year of Spurs finals basketball. At least I hope not to.

While my Lakers hate remains pure, I am pulling for ball movement and passing. I am pulling for role players named Farmar and Vujacic over Horry and Finley. I want more dagger three's from Fisher and none from Bowen. And mostly, I want to see Lamar Odom continue his great playoff run and dominate Oberto in the block or KT on the wing. Odom is the key to this series for LA and I think he's up to the task.

Mostly though, it's 2008 and I am voting for change even if that means backing a flawed team with some unique baggage that's the target of my long-time (undeserved) bias.

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My instant response is...

...that I’m backing the Lakers. I can’t bring myself to back the Spurs. But, then, I will throw up all over my TV if I have to endure a Lakers-Celtics glory days revival for 2 weeks in the Finals. And I will simply punch it if I have to endure Spurs-Pistons again (Note: not true. I love my TV’s cold blue embrace).

It’s an agonizing situation. 4 teams, none of who I can really get behind. Go Mercury, anyone?

by Mike Lisboa on May 20, 2008 9:18 AM MDT   0 recs

Go D-backs

It is time to start paying attention to the best team in baseball…..

by Phoenix Stan on May 20, 2008 9:23 AM MDT to parent up   1 recs

True that.

I can finally turn my full attention to baseball.

by Mike Lisboa on May 20, 2008 9:35 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Amen

"Troops in desperate straights know no fear. Where there is no escape, they stand firm; When they have entered deep, they persist; When they see no hope, they fight." Sun Tzu The Art of War

by Turambar on May 20, 2008 4:04 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

i literally screamed

when i saw the score when i came home from my meeting… and i wasn’t even through the door yet

by noonoo on May 20, 2008 9:29 AM MDT   0 recs

Sigh..

What can I say…I’m not going to take sides on this one. It will be interesting to watch from a basketball stand point. I really don’t know who will win…but if I have to pick one, I think the Spurs will be in the Finals again, they beat my Suns, and the Hornets. Both of these teams had everything needed to beat the Spurs…and came up short.
As for the Lakers, they beat a soft Denver team, and a Jazz team who can’t win on the road.

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on May 20, 2008 9:31 AM MDT   0 recs

Hate is a strong word

But I pretty much hate the Lakers.

by tkired on May 20, 2008 10:05 AM MDT   0 recs

Laker glory days

I long for the clory days when the Lakers were awful (1974-1979, 1993-1996)

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on May 20, 2008 10:17 AM MDT   0 recs

glory

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on May 20, 2008 10:17 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

couple years ago

When Phil left and they traded shaq, it looked like they would be done for the foreseeable future. Damn them for getting Jackson back, and Kobe happy.

by tkired on May 20, 2008 10:51 AM MDT   0 recs

1 big unfair to the league trade and the emergence of bynum

what a difference, now if we could make a trade like that! Of course, most of the suns trades in the last few years after nash haven’t been good ones (that I recall). I was even behind the shaq trade, but clearly that was a mistake now, as long as he can’t shoot free throws and teams (Spurs) and others are willing to foul off the ball 10-20 times to win, we’re in trouble. How do you play against that? You can’t….you hope shaq makes them…please….I wish I had seen that coming, it was common knowledge he can’t shoot ff, what a mistake. I was wrong.

Lakers are looking really good for a few years all of a sudden, so are the hornets, and portland. Spurs and Celtics are 1-3 yr teams at best in my view…maybe I’m wrong

Suns need to think of the next 5 yrs, not next yr. “We’re not here to develop players…we’re here to win titles”...D’Antoni….I’m glad he’s gone, now I can only hope Kerr doesn’t think the same way as D’Antoni does. Sounds like he doesn’t

by be-the-ball on May 20, 2008 11:00 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Championships

At the time, D’antoni was right. The suns were on the cusp of a title. Thats what their focus was, and should have been. developing players is for the offseason, and if you have the confidence of the Spurs, the regular season to an extent. If you arent focused on a championship, you might as well make the team exciting to watch. Phoenix almost had it both ways. It is sad Sarver did not realize how special this team was, and shelled out some bucks for JJ or kept some draft picks and Kurt Thomas, etc around.

by tkired on May 20, 2008 11:16 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

so close

to winning 2-3 titles from 2005….heart breaking to not even reach the finals…

by be-the-ball on May 20, 2008 11:05 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm pulling for the lakers

something about the spur games being boring, plus they beat us, I want them out. As for the lakers, after Kobe, I actually like some of their players, it’s clearly a different team than the lakers teams from years ago that always beat us. This team has Gasol, Fischer, Odom, I like those players, its a shame Bynum is hurt, otherwise this series would be clearly over.

Maybe I’d feel worse about the Lakers this year with them beating us so badly during the season, but to me, this suns team needs changes, they need discipline, they need consistency, they need a leader. Nash was that leader but shouldn’t be anymore (sadly…but accurately). Amare is quick to turn on people, his pr staff (s), his coach, likely his other teammates….that’s not even close to a leader. Amare’s biggest weakness (skipping over lack of smart defense) has been his mental side, and I know his drive is great and all, not talking about that, when I say mental side…I mean his chemistry and relations with others. You can’t build a successful team around a selfish, dumb player…I don’t care how great he is offensively…..which disappeared there during big end games with the spurs. I say we rebuild. I say we try and trade multiple different players….I can’t even think of anyone that’d be off limits. Of course, Shaq will be too hard to trade, but all the others, Nash and Amare in particular, I think we could get that young franchise type player and start over while we still have pieces to trade with. But, with the way this suns management has sold,traded away so many draft picks, they clearly aren’t the thinkers that b.colangelo was for the suns.

Who’s out there that we could get for amare or nash….? If we’d kept marion and traded amare, i wonder how the team would’ve gotten along?

by be-the-ball on May 20, 2008 10:51 AM MDT   0 recs

I'm with you

Until the trade Nash part.

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on May 20, 2008 11:07 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

well...there is another thought...

the suns get more into the fast break style, Nash seemed to thrive the most in that style…I clearly state Nash is the biggest part of me following this team the last 3 years. If I had all the games on dvd, I would gladly watch them a few times. It is with the future in mind and how high nashs trade value is that I think
this..

by be-the-ball on May 20, 2008 11:15 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

HMM

I have the same opinion of Amare. He can still mature, but it may take awhile. Nash certainly won’t be around by the time it happens. I also hope Nash retires a Sun, for the franchises sake. Do not be so quick to show a GREAT PG the door.

Amare could be traded for some pretty awesome players, but the organization is probably going to sink or swim with him as the centerpiece as Nash ages.

Marion- who knows what would have made the guy happy. Chance at a championship and a shot at 60 wins year in and year out, nope not enough for the Matrix. He needed to go, it just didnt have to be for Shaq.

by tkired on May 20, 2008 11:21 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

What a train wreck.

I’m still trying to figure out who I want to lose more in this series, since rooting for either team is out of the question. If you had me at gunpoint right now, which would be a silly thing to do over something so trivial, I’d probably want the Lakers to advance a little bit more, mostly because I can’t stand to see Horry and Bowen raise another title above their shoulders.

by Azreous on May 20, 2008 11:42 AM MDT   0 recs

Lakers or Spurs?

How about the referees? sigh…My son has been asking me this for a week as we’ve watched the Vampires Cockroaches Spurs stave off elimination. Over the weekend I came to the same conclusion Stan has posted—On pure basketball aesthetic I’ll take the Lakers, and then pull for whichever team from the East makes it. My hatred of the Lakers is second to none, but I can’t stomach the thought of another finals full of defensive highlights and 70-point games, and those 2 teams in the East don’t inspire me with hope that they’ll be lighting up the scoreboard against the Spurs. Plus, the less I hear of that whiny nasal announcer from San Antonio, the better.

by SoCalSun on May 20, 2008 12:01 PM MDT   0 recs

i'd agree

since you put it that way, i would agree. The lakers, despite my dislike of them, play prettier ball, with a few individual exceptions(despite the flopping, Manu is exciting to watch, Parker’s game is interesting, and TD does all the little things)

by tkired on May 20, 2008 12:40 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm just amused that Phil Jackson..

has embraced the D’Antoni/Nellieball offense within the confines of the triangle, i.e emphasizing speed and passing over deliberate positioning.

He has a two guard who finally got his pubes this year, and alternates between channeling Michael Jordan and Steve Nash. Furthermore, he surrounded Kobe with a set of sympatico players even better suited to this system than the 2005 & 2006 Suns.

The reason Phil is being successful this year: more bigs than the Suns, better passing from all spots except the primary guard (Kobe is a decent passer, but Nash is top 5 all time in passing ability), clear alpha-dog type leadership and adult sidekicks, decent outside shooting, moderate team defense, better mobility in the middle, and the “if all else fails” ability to attack the basket from the best stunt basketball player in the world.

I hate to say it, but this is a good team.

If they had a different name, like Golden State, I’d root for them. But they’re the Lakers, and short of Steve Nash being in a Lakers uniform, I just can’t do it.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on May 20, 2008 1:15 PM MDT   0 recs

Yep, I feel the same way..

But their real test starts tomorrow…The Spurs are experts slowing down the pace of the game, their defense will slow down Kobe, making him have human-like stats….
Interesting series..

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on May 20, 2008 1:56 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I respect Jax more than Pop

I thought he handled the down years with relative grace and aplomb. He developed players. He held the ship together.

However, I respect SA’s big three more than all the Fakers players combined. They are humble, hardworking, and with the exception of Timmy, they play at a discount.

But I hate the Spurs role players. Dirty.

I lean towards Lakers for the same reason PStan raised – better for viewing.

Wondering what the skip-2-my-loo to do next with my empty summer

by ZonaFlash on May 20, 2008 1:26 PM MDT   0 recs

Do you remember Zona..

The first two games of the Utah-Lakers series? It was like watching the Suns, Run and Gun at it’s best. I actually felt guilty when I got excited about a Kobe fast break dunk. The reason they have been succesful this season is because they can play at a really fast pace, their passing has improved a lot, and their outside shooting has been deadly, and there is the Kobe Factor.
Phil Jackson said that Coach D’s system worked. That he respected and recognized Mike as a great coach. I guess he really ment it since he is incorporating aspects of the Run N Gun to his offense. After all, if you think about it, the only coach that Phil has not been able to beat in the playoffs is D’Antoni…

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on May 20, 2008 1:51 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah - I can't fault Jax

He developed players. He rode through the bad times. His team plays good ball.

Wondering what the skip-2-my-loo to do next with my empty summer

by ZonaFlash on May 20, 2008 3:57 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

The way I see it

The newer fans (the ones who joined the suns in the nash era) should vote for the lakers and the older fans should vote for the spurs. Thats how I think it will work out for you guys.
Also I love how they revised the triangle to make it a fast break triangle now. I thought that was a smart move to adapt to the way the league is now. (I was all for it when we outscored you guys instead of trying to slow it down). Anyways enjoy the draft (even if neither of our teams are in it).

Shaq:"The kobster, he's an assassin" Answer for who should be mvp.

by ldeep on May 20, 2008 2:58 PM MDT   0 recs

Don't expect to run

on the Spurs….those fast break opportunities just dry right up when the Spurs are on the other end. The Lakers are going to have to execute in the half court and as always look to exploit the match up created when they move Bowen to cover your guard. That should leave Finley or Manu covering either Rado or Walton. Let’s see if Walton can channel a little Boris and play in the post to try and open things up for Kobe.

Also, those nifty interior passes between Kobe and Gasol are going to be much more difficult. Kobe’s really doing to have to abuse Bowen early to open up the passing lanes.

by Phoenix Stan on May 20, 2008 3:05 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't understand why

People think Walton is good. He is our Diaw. Every so often hes good but most of the time he just pisses you off. I don’t think the lakers are going to run that much if at all but thats what the triangle is there for, the slow half court sets. I said I loved how the lakers have become more pass oriented and quicker but after seeing you guys fall to them I know thats now how you beat them. I’m sure Phil Jackson will figure it out in a game or two to give the team there best shot.

Shaq:"The kobster, he's an assassin" Answer for who should be mvp.

by ldeep on May 20, 2008 3:15 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Why Walton is good.

At his best he’s a poor man’s Bird, and overall he does a lot of the little things that most people just watching the game for dunks just miss, like setting picks, moving without the ball, making the intermediate pass, etc.. We call these guys “glue guys”, and their contribution isn’t reflected properly in the box score.

Moreover, his passing is underrated, and the Lakers are so much better when his passing is on.

But, yeah, he is inconsistent at times. Luke was fantastic in the 1st round against the Nuggets, and not quite as good vs the Jazz. He’ll be good vs. the Spurs.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on May 20, 2008 3:26 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I always liked the Boris vs. Walton matchup.

two cranial players. I think plenty times Walton got the better of Boris.

Wondering what the skip-2-my-loo to do next with my empty summer

by ZonaFlash on May 20, 2008 3:58 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Ideep

great comparison on diaw and walton! He has moments, but theyre not often

by be-the-ball on May 20, 2008 11:22 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Not your Diaw

Doris make about $9M. Isn’t Walton about half that. I wouldn’t be so down on Doris if he was making less money.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on May 20, 2008 11:35 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

i agree with your new fans..old fans comments, but for me, a suns fan since 1978,

I pick the lakers because I think they are a better team, plus I do not hate the lakers like many other suns fans, i really like gasol and odom, I just pretend kobe isnt on the team :-) plus, they are more fun to watch

by be-the-ball on May 20, 2008 11:20 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

the thing is this...

If the Lakers have Kobe, Fisher, Walton, Lamar and Pau Gasol on the floor at the same time, they have 5 decent passers on the floor at the same time, which is unique in the NBA.

Walton, in particular passes like a poor man’s Bird from the 3, even if he can’t shoot or rebound like Bird. Gasol passes like Walton’s dad from the post.

The Spurs are going to have their hands full, but the Lakers have no good answer for Parker and Manu (or Timmy for that matter).

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on May 20, 2008 3:17 PM MDT   0 recs

we have no answer for manu?

The shooting guard position?. Kobe is a great defender that can check manu pretty well (and sasha is an underrated defender, doing that European getting under the skin flopping that isn’t up to manu but is pretty good). I actually think Gasol can do an okay job on duncan but yeah parker is a problem for the lakers. They can’t handle quick point guards easily. Thats one of our biggest weaknesses.

Shaq:"The kobster, he's an assassin" Answer for who should be mvp.

by ldeep on May 20, 2008 3:22 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

The Lakers will not shut Manu down consistently.

Kobe can defend Manu, and would do a good job, if that was his sole responsibility, and they were playing 1 on 1 in Rucker Park. But Kobe is now running the Lakers offense, so he has to choose his moments to defend, to avoid getting too tired. Remember, he’s probably going to be defended by Bowen, who will at least make him work.

Also, in this series, team defense will actually matter. The Lakers team defense this year is merely acceptable, rather than good.

Bear in mind that Manu is probably the 2nd best improviser in the NBA, after Nash, and he has trustworthy teammates who can pass well, which means he can play off them. There are times when Manu’s just transcendently good.

The key for the Lakers is not to stop Manu or Parker, but just to make them less efficient.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on May 20, 2008 3:41 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Thats the idea

Making them less efficient means they did a good job. I have something to say for the improvisation thing. The last hornets game whenever manu tried to “improvise” in the lane he airballed a layup or just plain miss after a whole lot of spinning. With the lakers length in the middle I’d prefer that over firing threes (thats where I’m most worried about him).

Shaq:"The kobster, he's an assassin" Answer for who should be mvp.

by ldeep on May 20, 2008 5:57 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

As with any magician..

you sometimes see the rabbit ears popping over the brim of the hat..

The idea is the same one we used vs. Kobe in years past. Convince him to take as many shots as possible, but at a lower percentage. And make sure not to cover him too tightly both to encourage him to continue taking the shots and to prevent giving the rest of his team easy shots. It’s a classic Bill Russell tactic.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on May 20, 2008 7:36 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

That kobe is mostly gone

I can see him trying that once but kobe doesn’t do that anymore (or at least nearly as often as he used too). People who depend on that strategy end up losing to the Lakers this year.

Shaq:"The kobster, he's an assassin" Answer for who should be mvp.

by ldeep on May 20, 2008 9:42 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

That's why I said he'd grown up

despite playing for the Lakers, I kind of like Kobe, and I don’t think there’s ever been a player in the modern era more prepared to be an NBA player than Kobe.

I think he came into the league with the best combination of athleticism and knowledge I’ve ever seen, a monster work ethic and a veterans ability to dissect his own game. But his fundamental flaw, imho, was his own immature inviolate self belief, an stark inability to trust his teammates on an ongoing basis, and a pathological need to dominate the opposition, play the hero and be Michael Jordan

What changed was a bunch of things. First, Fisher came back, and calmed everything down, especially for Kobe. Secondly, Stones Bynum showed that with the right support around him he could be good. And thirdly, I’m convinced Kobe spent a large chunk of the summer watching Nash and Kidd on tape, and finally figured out that he could be just as effective controlling game flow with a pass than with a shot, and choosing his moments.

Kobe is definitely a more complete player this year, than in previous years, and convinced me this year that he was ready to lead a team, rather than being the best ever second banana.

I still think Nash is a better passer, shooter and improviser, with better court vision and on-court empathy for his teammates, but I’ll concede Kobe might be a more effective overall player because of his ability to attack the rim, and his 1-on-1 defense when he’s on.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on May 20, 2008 11:23 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I kind of think

that the team usa thing changed him a bit too. I saw some games where he just passed an entire game almost. I wonder if hanging out with jason kidd, and all the other all stars changed his perspective along with all the other things that happened this year.

Shaq:"The kobster, he's an assassin" Answer for who should be mvp.

by ldeep on May 20, 2008 11:26 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

also

didn’t kobe lose 15+ lbs over the last summer break, I mean the guy was fast already, but even faster now! Also, because of his size and strength, and hard work, Kobe is a great defender (correct?)

I don’t watch them as much, I wish I had caught more of their games this year, hard though while being so emotionally attached to this team. Next yr I’m following one other team closely at the same time, likely portland, I really like Oden.

by be-the-ball on May 20, 2008 11:32 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I was gonna say team usa..

had a lot to do with it. But you can tell Kobe also spent a lot of time watching tape, and incorporating people other than Mike into his game. To do that, this late into his career is pretty impressive.

I’m amazed how the Lakers have gelled this year. The cool thing about them is that only one guy wants to be “the man”, and he happens to be that teams unequivocal best player. The other guys are perfectly happy to be second in line. We’ve had 4 or 5 people on this team, over the last 4 years who wanted to be “the man”, or in Trix’s case wanted all the glory of being “the man”, with none of the responsibility.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on May 20, 2008 11:54 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

good comments

Kobe really has improved. Nash is so untruly selfish and competitive, amazing to have watched him play and improve his team the last few years.

I think a healthy Odom has helped also, now with more focus on Gasol, Odom can come slashing in for a dunk or rebound.

I really think this Laker team will beat the spurs

by be-the-ball on May 20, 2008 11:29 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I just want to say

great post Pliny. That pretty much sums Kobe up. Wow.

by RealTangiblesGuy on May 21, 2008 3:17 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Stopping Timmy and Parker

As always, the key to stopping the Spurs is how you play Timmy. The Hornets threw a lot of doubles at him and that really didn’t work. To pull that off you have to work your ASS off to rotate and recover and that’s difficult to sustain for a full game if you are not used to playing that way.

One thing Mike D always did defensively that I liked was refusing to give in and double Timmy. I still think you have to play him 1:1 and just accept that he’s going to score a lot of points but if you can keep the Finley’s, Horry’s and Bowen’s from getting wide open three’s you can limit what the Spurs do. If you need to get a stop late in the game you can double the ball out of Timmy’s hands and hope that those other guys are cold.

Its really a shame Ariza can’t play. He would be perfect on Parker. As it is, like ldeep says, I don’t know how they are going to hope to stay with him. You have to either go under screens and hope his shot is off and/or collapse from the wings and stop the penetration early and try and force bad passes that give you time to recover.

by Phoenix Stan on May 20, 2008 3:48 PM MDT   0 recs

Ariza is back

He was cleared last week and will be back in the active roster.

Shaq:"The kobster, he's an assassin" Answer for who should be mvp.

by ldeep on May 20, 2008 5:57 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

i heard that today also!!

one more reason the lakers will win in 5-6 games.

by be-the-ball on May 20, 2008 11:33 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

That's not quite true...

It’s mostly true, though: Timmy can have bad games, and the Spurs will still win, if the other two get going.

But Charlie Rosen has the key to dealing with Duncan, which is to double team him, but not until he puts the ball on the floor. Difficult, because it depends on timing and not force, but the Lakers might be able to do it with the guys they have. You probably want Turiaf to bang with Duncan a little, too.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on May 20, 2008 7:44 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm interested in seeing how the Spurs rise to the occasion in this one.

Going in it looks like the fakers, but the Spurs are so deceptive.

Wondering what the skip-2-my-loo to do next with my empty summer

by ZonaFlash on May 20, 2008 4:00 PM MDT   0 recs

yep

even though I clearly think the Lakers will win, it won’t surprise me to see the spurs pull it out, it’s what they do,

by be-the-ball on May 20, 2008 11:36 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

WHY GOD, WHY!!!?!?!?!?!!

Well it sure as hell is true that this match up is absolutely and totally a lose lose for Suns fans. Yet I have to agree that I’m going for the Lakers on this one. Yes I feel dirty even thinking of supporting the Lakers, but at least I will not have sullied my very soul by supporting the Spurs. For to support the dark evil that is the Spurs would be tantamount to high treason or the darkest sort of heresy.

In truth though all we have to truly hope for now is the East coming through for us and beating either the Spurs or Lakers.

"Troops in desperate straights know no fear. Where there is no escape, they stand firm; When they have entered deep, they persist; When they see no hope, they fight." Sun Tzu The Art of War

by Turambar on May 20, 2008 4:11 PM MDT   0 recs

Winner of West will win it all

I have a lot of respect for the SAS and this is going to be the series that tops all this year. Whoever comes out on top this one will win it all – no disrespect for the East but this is plain truth.

Analysis:
1. Hype of Bowen being able to stop Kobe will be proven untrue – again? Kobe will lay the hearsay to rest.
2. Key match up will be Fisher’s defense vs. Parker’s penetration. Fisher’s done a great job on D Williams and I envision him being more effective on Parker than Bowen on Bryant.
3. TD will over power Pau and Phil will have to resort to trap defense against TD. Don’t expect TD to lead SAS to victory. This is the battle between the coaching staffs from both teams. Look for a lot of adjustments. Edge will go to SAS’s.
4. LAL will win the supporting cast battle. With Fisher, Walton, Farmar, and (YES) Arizaaaaaaaa. Most sports writer I read miss this factor: Ariza will be the X-Factor in this series.

Prediction: Lakers in 6.

by majesticblue on May 20, 2008 4:19 PM MDT   0 recs

Ariza?

Is Ariza cleared to play in this series? If so and he’s healthy I think he can be a huge factor with his length and athletic D on Parker.

by Phoenix Stan on May 20, 2008 5:00 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I know I said this already

but yeah hes cleared and hes back. (and impressive in practices from the reports I’m reading).

Shaq:"The kobster, he's an assassin" Answer for who should be mvp.

by ldeep on May 20, 2008 5:59 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

That's a big boost

for the Lakers…Ariza is perfect for this series starting or playing a lot of minutes at the 3 b/c Manu and especially Finely shouldn’t be able to cover him and like I said – he is a GREAT option to put on Parker instead of Fisher, Famar or Sasha.

by Phoenix Stan on May 20, 2008 6:10 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

What can the Suns do?

Hey I’m a long-time Lakers fan and I love the Suns basketball until Shaq checked in. My first reaction to the trade was ‘what the **&^x%x they are doing?’ No disrespect to Shaq but he’s a great guy with funny lines for media reporters but not a CLUTCH player – like you all know now and he was plain LAZY. I love Nash and Amare. Surely I thought Suns will be a favorite had they kept Marion. Last year’s loss was due to the suspension ONLY.

O well, I believe Kerr could make some trades to restart Suns. Oh, don’t even think we in L.A. want Diesel—no no, we drive Gasoline. Unlikely will O’Neal go anywhere (he should have been left rotten in Miami). Amare and Hill will be a good trade prospect for some picks and maybe a steal. It’s really tough… Hey, good luck, I love to watch the Suns playing the Lakers again next year.

by majesticblue on May 20, 2008 4:32 PM MDT   0 recs

majestic...

good luck against the spurs, I’ll be pulling for you! Great line on Gasoline…lol

by be-the-ball on May 20, 2008 11:52 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't compare coaches unless teams are near equal in matchups

May I second Panamasun’s “the only coach that Phil has not been able to beat in the playoffs is D’Antoni..”

You shouldn’t compare a coach’s success based on just matchups between their respective teams. The last couple years, D’Antoni’s Suns had been a complete team when the Lakers were mere Kobe’s team. I wouldn’t imagine Kobe trusting and passing shots to his teammates when the receiving ends were Smush or Kwame. NBA is still the players’ teams to the degree that matchups against opponents are the keys.

by majesticblue on May 20, 2008 5:01 PM MDT   0 recs

Remember

That the Suns were down 3-1 to the Lakers…and remember your coach’s statements:

“I think they are not as explosive as they were last year, is just a matter of controlling the tempo and trapping Steve Nash”

Based on those comments..I’d say Phil Jackson was confident that his team would beat the Suns…don’t you think?

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on May 20, 2008 6:30 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

He was

and his statements were right. You guys came back harder (and we went slower), and eventually we fell. Its not like your coach (or former coach, by the way did you see his face when he got his pick) has ever said something because they were confident and then get shot in the face sarcasm

Shaq:"The kobster, he's an assassin" Answer for who should be mvp.

by ldeep on May 20, 2008 6:45 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Sure it happened this year

Because all of us (including him) thought that we had the talent to defeat the Spurs. The fact that we lost the series 4-1 does not reflect how close these two teams were from one another.
I feel the same way about that series where we were down 3-1, That Lakers team had enough to beat us, otherwise they wouldn’t have had us a the brink of elimination.
Majesticblue is suggesting that the 2006 Lakers were inferior than the Suns, I don’t think that’s the case. Phil Jackson just couldn’t find a way to stop Nash and his compadres from doing their thing…IMHO

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on May 20, 2008 10:22 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

The fact we were that close

Even though the suns had much better players and better chemistry it was close. The suns were better at the time (and last year too I suppose) but I wished the suns had lasted long enough to get to the WCF. Now who knows whats gonna happen to you guys. No offense to you guys but I don’t think the lakers in the kobe era will get another shot at the suns in the nash era. Not in the playoffs anyways.

Shaq:"The kobster, he's an assassin" Answer for who should be mvp.

by ldeep on May 20, 2008 10:42 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I've changed my mind

After listening to Laker talk all day here (Prediction: Lakers in 5), and seeing Laker car-flags flying during my lunch hour, I’m now rooting for the evil empire. Or not. feh.

by SoCalSun on May 20, 2008 5:26 PM MDT   0 recs

ah yes...

those damn laker flags are in full swing… i think i vomited a little in my mouth (last night’s dinner perhaps?) when i saw that they were out in droves…

i support no one. NO ONE! there is just no way, NO WAY i can support either of these two teams. I hope they kill each other on the court in seven games and the pistons pummel whoever comes out of the west

by noonoo on May 20, 2008 10:56 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

stalemate..that'd be cool

Just goes along with my thinking that it’s hard to become a fan of many of the teams in the league today…it’s not hard to become a fan of lebron, kg, etc etc, but it is hard to become a fan of that team. That’s the beauty of the suns, so many people from outside of Az have become bigtime suns fans, it’s sad to think that’s slipping away (possibly)