Suns 08-09 Roster Needs
Looking forward to the next season the Suns have some serious needs to address. We have the benefit of this great player-by-player break down and now we will look at positional needs.
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Point Guard
The back court starts and for the time being ends with Steve Nash. Baring a highly unlikely trade (which isn't nearly as unpopular of an idea as it would have been a year ago) Nash is still the man.
Obviously, it is finally(!) time to get him a legit backup and to do that you have to trade the $5/yr Leandro Barbosa. LB is a great scorer but if by this point he isn't going to be a point guard then he never will. You miss his speed and three point shooting but his lack of defense and inability to create for others makes him expendable. Perhaps a new coach could get more out of him and use his speed and length to make him a solid defensive PG but its hard to see that happening.
Some names to consider:
Carlos Aroyo - solid defensive PG that can handle the ball. LB would be a great fit in Orlando.
Kyle Lowry - a younger more flashy PG with upside. His salary is attractive.
Mike Conley - an even better version of Lowry.
Beno Udrih - this guy would be the best option but the Kings would be foolish to let him go
Sergio Rodriquez - another young player with upside. Might be the best pupil for Nash.
For most of those guys you get some cap space as well which we need for the other big need which is a back up to The Big Knee (or Hip)
When it comes to point guards, I am much more inclined to get a guy that's got at least a year in the league to scout from. The jump to the NBA is huge for PG's and except for the rare exceptions like Paul, Williams and Rose it takes some time to develop the skills. The Suns don't have that kind of time. They need a PG that can handle 15-20 min per game now.
You could make the case that we can get by with LB as the PG in a different system that isn't so dependent on plays being created by from the backcourt. That all depends on what direction Coach TBD is going with the team.
Shooting Guard
Its possible that DJ will develop into a PG but I doubt it. I see him more sharing time with his buddy Tucker playing behind Bell.
I would like to see Bell's minutes average closer to 30 ppg and see what the DJ/Tucker combo can do with consistent minutes behind him. You can also use Hill at the 2 guard for certain matchups.
Some people see this position as a big hole for the Suns but I don't think so. Its certainly not an all-star slot but you can't have all-starts at every position. I am ok with the Bell, DJ, Tucker platoon at this position.
Small Forward
The big decision here is whether to play Diaw full time at the small foward. I think its clear that without D'Antoni around that he will not be playing much center. You can in theory play him behind Amare, but its clear that this guy has the talent to start and I think that with him on the floor with Amare he can help with the ball handling and with some more work on this outside shot can contribute at the 3.
Clearly, he is at his best defensively as a wing player. He does a solid job in the post against bigger guys but he just gives up too much size.
Grant Hill will come back and should be the team's sixth man. Coming off the bench, Hill can lead the second unit and provide an offensive spark as well as his passing and defense. Who knows what his health will be like next year. I don't think we can hope for more than we got last year and we saw what happened when we depended on him to start.
Gordan Giricek might be back. I think he wants to come back and be a #7 or #8 guy off the bench and I am all for that. He's a versitile player with a well rounded offensive and defensive game. I doubt though that will be able to afford him. He's too good not to land a decent contract for a team where he will start or at least get solid minutes. I don't see him coming back.
Tucker is another guy that can provide depth at the small forward. He's a bit small but is highly athletic and his outside shooting has improved to the point that with confidence he should be a solid rotation guy.
Power Forward
Amare with a full season at this natural position could dominate the league. I hope he works on his defense and passing this off season and with some different coaching should come back next year even better. I would look for a lot of the offense to go through Amare next year. He can clearly handle the scoring load and should average at least 25 ppg and 8 or 9 rebounds. He and Diaw are also young enough to handle 35 - 40 mpg.
Behind Amare we have a hole to fill. I would let Skinner go and shoot for a 7ft center and then perhaps consider Marks as Amare's backup. I don't think this guy has ever really gotten the opportunity to showcase what is in fact a solid set of basketball skills.
Center
This is the other major roster hole. We cannot expect Shaq to play more then 60 games in the regular season and his minutes when he does play should be limited to 25ppg. Amare will slide over at times, but it is time to finally go out and get a legit backup center who's role is defense and rebounding. There are a few available if the Suns can make it work.
Diop is my top choice. This guy is a proven Western Conference center who can bang and still move his feet and play D.
Petro is still the object of my man-crush. I don't know if the Suns can get this guy from the Sonic.
I am sure there are others as well that you armchair GM's can point out. Skinner is solid but just too small to fill this role.
Draft Pick
We will certainly have more detailed draft pick discussions in the weeks to come. For my money at 15 you take the best available player whoever that it.
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Wishful thinking
What makes you think Sarver won’t sell the draft pick just like he has sold five in the last three years? He will only pay 1 mil for anyone so he is kind of limited as to who the Suns can get for a center.
by TheTruthSquad on May 9, 2008 8:11 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Strawberry
I think in a “dump it into the post” offense, he can be serviceable at PG this year. He’s not a long-term solution, though.
Picking up a PG is always tough. Lowry might be an option, but they wouldn’t take LB in a trade. With the fire-sale going on over there, though, Kerr may be able to do a sign-and-trade with Marks or Pike, though.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on May 9, 2008 10:33 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Diop
Some big goof at center wouldn’t be a bad thing.
Remember the Stockton-Malone Jazz? Who played center? Yeah, Mark Eaton and Greg Ostertag and then some other offensive lineman reject.
I once put a rambling post up somewhere about this, but why was Amare playing the 5? Because D’Antoni wanted the 5 “most athletic” guys on the floor? Yeah, right. Forget about Shaq making Amare look good—think about what Amare could have done for Diop or some other slightly-athletic big guy (Nazr Muhammad, maybe).
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on May 9, 2008 10:36 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
are you guys familiar with basketballvalue.com
It’s not my site, so I’m not pimping it for any other reason than that I like it:
http://basketballvalue.com/index.php
Anyway, I’m pimping it in this particular thread because it offers a stat I haven’t seen anywhere else: adjusted plus/minus. That’s each player’s season-long plus/minus, adjusted for the plus/minuses of the other guys he’s on the floor with. The idea is that you could be a crap player but have a stellar unadjusted plus/minus just because you play with a bunch of All-Stars. Or you could be a great player and have a crap unadjusted plus/minus because you play with crap around you. The adjusted plus/minus filters out the effect of the other guys on the floor with you and distills the results that are purely “yours.”
Anyway, I think it’s a useful tool for evaluating players. (Go ahead, look up Amare. I dare ya.)
by beatcal on May 9, 2008 11:05 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure if the other blazers fans will like this
If Portland can’t make a deal for a good PG ( or move up on the draft to get him) , I’d propose this.
How does Sergio + Outlaw+ 33th pick for LB sound for you?
I think it’s pretty good value, isn’t it?
by Falcao on May 9, 2008 12:12 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
where's courage?
amare needs a brain and boris needs a heart but courage is missing!
It’s up for grabs!
Who wants it?
Who needs it?
Get it while it’s hot!
Get it while it’s still available!
First come, first serve!
by noonoo on May 9, 2008 12:45 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Boris has my heart
Didn’t you read the captions?
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on May 9, 2008 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure about trading LB
Conceding the point that LB is not a PG, starting or otherwise, I think he is still one of the top producers per $ in the league, and the fact is that he is under contract for well below market value. I do concur that it really should be the main thrust of the Suns to get a backup for Nash. I seem to recall that Memphis has 3 or 4 young points on the roster, and while they’re all out of Pau, their GM has a proven track record of being a complete and utter idiot ripe for the picking. As an aside, say what you want about Kerr, he’s no Chris Wallace.
I’m not so sure that Diaw couldn’t be traded, even with that contract. It wouldn’t surprise me a bit if whatever team D’Antoni lands on acquired Boris—how about a sign and trade for Deng or Gordon?
by SoCalSun on May 9, 2008 1:08 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Um
Carlos Aroyo – solid defensive PG that can handle the ball.
Carlos is a nice ballhandler, but a horrible defender. We’ll gladly take Barbosa, though. I’m still reeling from the 39 points he dropped on us in November.
If you want Arroyo, just make him an offer in free agency. He’s unrestricted and we’re not desperate to have him back.
by Ben Q Rock on May 9, 2008 3:38 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree.
Arroyo is a nice offensive player (I’d actually take him) but he is of the Nash school of D.
It’s funny. DraftExpress had a post on this exact topic today.
Sven to Benfica! Please, please, please!
by rosewood on May 9, 2008 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh for a competent front office...
Hate to state the obvious, but Rodriguez would solve the backup point guard, we had him but traded him. The SG position would have been solid for a long time until BC lowballed JJ. The SF position would have been locked down with Deng, but we foolishly passed him up. This brings us to the backup center position, which we foolishly neglected to pry away from Seattle (Petro) in the KT giveaway. And since Atlanta didn’t know what to do with Diaw, we should have gotten him anyway in a minor deal.
Some stellar GM-ing would have left us with this:
PG: Nash, Rodriguez
SG – JJ, Bell
SF: – Deng, Hill
PF: – Amare, Diaw
C: – Shaq, Petro
I think that is what is called championship material. But of course our famously inept FO has left us considering what Stan is proposing. Oh well. There’s still baseball.
April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?
by Hawk42 on May 9, 2008 4:31 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Well,
That’s also about 93-97M in salary (depending on Deng’s upcoming contract), so I don’t think it’s a likely lineup either.
Sven to Benfica! Please, please, please!
by rosewood on May 9, 2008 8:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
just a little hyperbole
I know that, I only did that to highlight the irony of wanting what we had in our hands.
April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?
by Hawk42 on May 9, 2008 11:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a few scenarios of what the team could have looked like....
had the cheapo Sarver and the front office kept their draft picks instead of selling out, made smart moves, and with or w/out JJ, Shaq, Matrix:
PG: Nash, Rajon Rondo, Sergio Rodriguez, Barbosa
SG: Joe Johnson and/or Raja Bell, James Jones (SG/SF)
SF: Matrix (SF/PF), Luol Deng, Grant Hill, Tucker
PF: Amare (PF/C)
C: Kurt Thomas, Brian Skinner
Here’s a realistic look at what the line up would have looked like this past year w/ Matrix:
PG: Nash, Rondo, Sergio, LB
SG: Bell, Giricek, James Jones
SF: Matrix, Hill, Deng
PF: Amare, Doris Meow
C: KT, Skinner
Just imagine the possible 2nd unit, and the matchup nightmares they could have brought. And all of the draft picks would have been under their rookie contracts, with this offseason having the Matrix depart to make way for Deng? This squad would have had solid defenders in the Matrix, Rondo, Bell, Giricek, KT, Jones, Hill, and it would rub off on Amare and Doris, and secure Nash. And if they got Shaq, then you take away Matrix and either Rondo, Bell, or Sergio, or KT.
Also worth noting, in 2003 after the Suns picked the great Zarko Cabarkapa at #17, the next pick was David West to New Orleans. Imagine if the Suns got him. Well in that case, imagine the starting 5 for the 2004-2005 team:
PG: Nash
SG: JJ
SF: Matrix
PF: West
C: Amare
by Aluminum Foyle on May 9, 2008 10:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs



















