D'Antoni is a rat!
Shaw Marion was mad that management didn't seem to like him enough. Shawn Marion welcomed leaving a (marginal) title contender to go to a lottery team in a nicer city (hoping for more money). He got a ton of media shit for that.
Mike D'Antoni was mad that management didn't seem to like him enough. Mike D'Antoni welcomed leaving a (marginal) title contender to go to a lottery team in a nicer city (getting more money). Why did he get a free pass from the media?
I found it very hard to write this post, mainly because I started it in the "anger" phase of loss, tweaked it in the "bargaining" stage, left it for dead in the "depression" stage, and now, like you, feel a certain amount of diffidence in the "acceptance" stage. Who cares, what's done is done. I'm fine with the new regime and the downward revised expectations.
The Phoenix Suns are now the coneheads of the NBA.
Still, a crime was committed and it's our duty on this blog to shed the light of day on it.
It's hard to begrudge someone for wanting to live in a nice city, get a bigger contract and be liked by their bosses. We all want that. However, what's fine for the average joe is not fine for an NBA coach. A social contract has been broken. Taxpayers buy the arenas and fans suffer never ending commercials and wear their fan hearts on their sleeves all to pay their coaches the big bucks, just as they do the players. The same social contract that subjects Marion to ridicule for preferring money and area codes to winning also applies to coaches as well. Players, coaches and management have a public duty to the city. That duty was not upheld.
The underlying premise here is that D'Antoni, despite all the difficulties, was the best available coach for this team next year. Evidence includes that the coaching selection process was a joke. Of all the interviewees, only one had the head coaching experience necessary to take on a veteran team with waning title aspirations. Porter got the job by simply having 2 years head coaching experience to none!
The circumstances of the crime are a lot like Clue the Movie. Unlike the board game where there is just a single criminal, the genius of the movie was to be so (poorly) written such that anyone could have committed the crime and in the end, they all did. Had the producers thought the American public would have gone the theater 8 times for eight different endings, they would not have stopped at 3. That they got some people to sit through that crappy movie three times was pretty genius.
So, how did D'Antoni get away so easily with murdering the Suns hopes in 2009? Let's address the easiest first.
The New York media is enamored with anyone not named Isaiah Thomas. For a team with no offense or defense, getting an experienced offensive genius is half the battle. They could care less how they got him, or if he's a champion, at least he's not Isaiah Thomas. "Slow and boring" is not a winning combination in the entertainment capital of Madison Square Garden. The Honeymoon is on, so who from the New York Media would question the coach for putting on women's knickers like Daniel Buckley and escaping the Suns titanic?
The dog that didn't bark: Suns management. Did you ever see a management team behave with such understanding? Did you ever see such a management team not the least bit upset by D'Antoni's departure? Pop quiz: your hot girlfriend asks you: "Do you want me?" you don't say, "I want what's best for you..." If you really want her to stay then you'd better say so. Time to put on a little razzle dazzle, because she's asking to be pitched.
The Suns management style on the other hand is so nice. So considerate. "Bryan, you should do what's best for you." "JJ, you should consider your market value." "Mike, wow, living in New York or Chicago, what great cities!" This management team has never fired a soul. Hey, that would cost money.
And then there's the mastermind of the crime himself, Mike Daniel Buckley D'Antoni. This next year was D'antoni's shot to fix the team in training camp and make it work. Instead, he flinched. He chickened out. He chose a lottery team over the shot to make it work one last time. Blame the pressure. Blame your mean bosses. Say it was the lure of Madison Square Garden. Say it was the contract. But frankly, I think it was because you didn't think you could win. Coward.
In all, I have never heard such a white-washing coaching change as this one. Shame on you if you bought the song and dance the media, the Suns and Coach D'Antoni were performing.
And a message to mainstream media:
Dear mainstream pro media, you oh so greater journalists than my momma's basement fanblog wankery, heap the criticism onto the coach or lay off the players. Don't promote a double-standard that vilifies players for making the same choices we all do and gives coaches a free pass for flouting the sacred public trust, with all the honor and millions that go with it, for leading a city's sports team.
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A tale of two men:
One of the wealthiest multimillionaire bankers on the ship, Benjamin Guggenheim, worked tirelessly to help the ladies onto the lifeboats, then sent a last message to his wife: “Tell my wife I’ve done my best in doing my duty.” He then went back to his cabin, dressed up in his evening clothes, with top hat, and declared that he was “prepared to go down like a gentleman!”
One third class passenger, Daniel Buckley, disguised himself as a woman and succeeded in getting into a boat.
Do they still make men like Benjamin Guggenheim?
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by ZonaFlash on Jun 11, 2008 3:50 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
nice...
ALSO, I agree fully on D’Antoni, he’s given way too much credit due to Nash’s 2 great years.
I’m excited about Porter, he seems like he could help us.
by be-the-ball on Jun 11, 2008 6:39 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel you man
But listen, I don’t buy Kerr’s smile. He seems like he is always calmed, like everything is under control. That kind of creeps me out for some odd reason.
I understand your feelings towards Mike, I felt the same way. I felt he gave up on the team and on his players and fans. But let us try to put ourselves in this guy’s shoes:
For starters, his boss doesn’t like him. If he stays, the media and management will question every single move. If you thought the team had some sort of (last year’s) Playoffs hangover…you haven’t seen anything. Everyone would have felt uptight, nervous.
On the other hand, Let’s try to understand why Kerr did not make a move to keep D’Antoni: For starters, he doesn’t like the man. He doesn’t believe he can win a championship the way he coaches. Defense wins championships until proven wrong. All Kerr saw was a coach who couldn’t make his team execute after a timeout, all he saw was a coach who couldn’t change or adapt his game plan as the game went, all he saw was a coach who didn’t sit players when they were playing badly, all Kerr saw was that he was outcoached by Gregg Popovich…yet again.
I was mad, just like you, when he left. But maybe the team needed a change, maybe they needed to relax and enjoy playing basketball, after all.. its just a game.
"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"
by PanamaSun on Jun 11, 2008 8:40 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
My main point is the double standard
We expect players to not only play, but perform under conditions where their boss doesn’t like them. They are under contract.
Well, so was Mike D. and I expect the same from the coach.
If you don’t then don’t complain about Marion. =)
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by ZonaFlash on Jun 11, 2008 5:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marion
I’m done complaining about him.
Now I just laugh at him. No extension in Miami will be forthcoming. He could’ve been on a team with Ray Allen and Paul Pierce.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. If he picks up his option, Miami will trade him.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on Jun 11, 2008 5:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never did..
He wanted out and I understood that.
"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"
by PanamaSun on Jun 11, 2008 9:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey PanamaSun
How you been, my friend? =)
That was a rhetorical question – not directed at you or even any specific pro media person. It was directed at the media as a who didn’t follow through with proper criticism of this coaching change.
Cheers!
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by ZonaFlash on Jun 12, 2008 12:35 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
No problema! =)
Maybe its because the Media didn’t feel Mike was the bad guy. Remember that Kerr is a new member of the organization, pulled of a stunt with the Shaq trade and D’Antoni has always been known to be a great guy. People will always remember Coach D as the guy who changed the way the game is played along with his compadre Steve Nash. I know i will certainly remember him for that.
"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"
by PanamaSun on Jun 12, 2008 8:43 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure where you are going on this...
What’s your angle on this, ZF? Are you saying the media should be fair? where does it say the media have to be fair?
April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?
by Hawk42 on Jun 12, 2008 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
the media claims to be objective,don't they?
They don’t have to be, but then I call them on false advertising.
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by ZonaFlash on Jun 12, 2008 10:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sarver got what he wanted.
The Sarver/Kerr combo got exactly what they wanted. Kerr wanted to get rid of D’Antone and Sarver, who doesn’t have a clue, didn’t want to pay him for taking a vacation, like Avery Johnson has decided to do. So, they forced out D’Antone and didn’t have to pay him a dime. Now, they are managing to turn the public against him. It is Kerr’s team now, any blame or glory can be placed squarely at his feet. Lets all say a prayer for him, he is going to need all the help he can get.
How many old men will Kerr hire this year for the veteran’s minimum? D’Antone was criticized for not using his bench and his response to Kerr was hire me a bench. What did Kerr do? He gave Sean Marks a new contract and said he was a very good player and would get a lot of minutes. Yea right, did you see him play?
As for Porter, the poor smuck will be maneuvered by Kerr into taking all the blame for the coming disaster.
by TheTruthSquad on Jun 11, 2008 9:07 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
at least he came cheaply
Why pay a lot for a scapegoat? =)
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by ZonaFlash on Jun 12, 2008 12:40 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The underlying premise here is that D’Antoni, despite all the difficulties, was the best available coach for this team next year.
Was he, though. Really? I’m not sure. I didn’t want to see him go, but I’m not sure. What’s striking is that he was not so stubborn so as to keep Shaq in the high post for more than a few games (i.e., he changed the offense), but he was too stubborn to realize a few more stops or another bench player might be the difference.
Didn’t it all really end after the 2005 playoffs? Everyone was just “happy to be there” and the loss was largely caused by JJ’s broken face (not saying the Suns would’ve won, just saying he sure would’ve helped). Then, Q is traded for KT so KT can guard Duncan. Bell is acquired to guard Manu and then JJ “leaves” (or whatever happened). While everyone was thrilled with Boris, the Hawks did get the better player (and kept their picks).
Going back to the summer of 2005, that’s when D’Antoni should’ve started thinking about a bench and a little (just a little) defense. STAT’s failure to switch to Finley in Game 1 wasn’t because no one told him and it wasn’t because he didn’t listen. It’s because he never practiced and, like Maverick says, “You don’t have time to think. If you think, you’re dead.”
Did you ever see a management team behave with such understanding?
I can’t agree with that. I saw a lot of passive-agressive stuff with all three of those—especially with D’Antoni.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on Jun 11, 2008 9:51 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
my point exactly
Once D’Antoni was gone that acted so understanding, but it was all fake.
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by ZonaFlash on Jun 11, 2008 5:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
All three situations
I meant Sarver, then Sarver/Kerr, acted in a passive-agressive manner in all three situations. I wasn’t talking about the Sarver/Kerr/D’Antoni tripartite in that last sentence.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on Jun 11, 2008 5:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree 100%
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by ZonaFlash on Jun 11, 2008 5:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
D'A not the man, Suns better off without him
”’The underlying premise here is that D’Antoni, despite all the difficulties, was the best available coach for this team next year. Evidence includes that the coaching selection process was a joke. Of all the interviewees, only one had the head coaching experience necessary to take on a veteran team with waning title aspirations. Porter got the job by simply having 2 years head coaching experience to none!”
This is getting ridiculous, ZF. Maybe we should cue up Mel Gibson’s Conspiracy Theory and heat up the popcorn.
As I stated in http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/tags/fluxball, and echoed by JSun above, I think 7SOL was DOA after the inaugural season. D’A and the fans held on to it for three more years. It is time to cut loose. He Is NOT the better coach for us now. He would not adjust. Obviously you don’t like Kerr and Sarver. I’m not sure I do, either. The simple fact remains that the team before the Shaq trade had serious problems, and I do not think they would have gotten any farther that the team did with Shaq.
Actually, the case could be made that we could have beaten SA had MikeD not worn down Hill with his insistence on playing him heavy minutes during the season. Tthat certainly cannot be laid on Sarver/Kerr. Is the play of Amare, Boris, and LB Sarver/Kerr’s fauld? Is the handling of Raja’s early season injury? I could go on and on.
I defended Coach D many times. But the GM and coach have to be on the same page, and if you are not, and the GM loses out, that is not a good thing. (see Atlanta with Billy Knight and Mike Woodson). So I guess you are wishing Jerry or Bryan Colangelo are back, or that Jerry never sold.
But don’t come out with this nonsense that D’A is the perfect coach for us. He wasn’t. Who would you want to coach? I don’t think the selection process was a joke. It’s easy to make those claims. I suppose you want AJ, Flip, or Paul Silas. But maybe those guys didn’t jive with Kerr’s philosophy. Do you actually believe that is a good coach came in that merited 4-5 million per year and dovetailed with Kerr/Sarver’s philosophy would have been rejected simply because of the dollars?
D’A went to New York because they are going to give him a few years to do whetever he wants. Why does that say he is a rat? His problem is that he doesn’t want to change. That is a fatal flaw when you are trying to convince a superstar power forward to rebound or a multi talented player like Boris to develop a hard nosed streak, or a hotshot guard to become more consistent (LB). those three are the future of the team, and Mike failed them all miserably. And I’m not even talking about his refusal to emphasize defense.
Come on, ZF, this is a red herring.
April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?
by Hawk42 on Jun 11, 2008 10:18 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't get too excited, Hawk
It’s not a “red herring” because I don’t think it’s meant to be a dispositive piece on the issue. It’s one side of the story, and it has merit. There are counter-points, but don’t treat this as ZF’s final thoughts on the issue.
He makes good points (I just didn’t mention those because I was in an argumentative mood) about refusing to go down with the ship. Really. We do pay D’Antoni’s salary and the players’ salaries by subsidizing the arena. Giving tax breaks for Wal-Mart to move into town is substantatively different than subsidizing the overpaid lifestyle of guys who don’t go shopping for themselves. This is mainly because of the monopoly of the league as opposed to the attempted “free market” movement of businesses.
So, yeah … they do owe us more. I’ve got tickets and it cost me about a $100 bucks to go to a game, and I’m still in the upper level. I’ve got the money to pay it, but it still is quite a bit of my disposable income. There is a public trust issue here.
If D’A had a said, “Yeah, we’ll practice D for 30 minutes a week and I’ll try to develop DJ” the Suns would be in much better shape. However, Terry Porter is probably a better choice than D’A and his “hell, no!” attitude. At that level, I agree with ZF’s point.
the case could be made that we could have beaten SA had MikeD not worn down Hill with his insistence on playing him heavy minutes during the season
I’m not so sure about that. Hill sprained his ankle (or pulled his groin? what was his injury this time?). That can happen to the best of athletes. I think that goes more to his age and his history than the regular season regimen.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on Jun 11, 2008 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just b/c I can't get tired of hearing me say it...
The issue w/ Hill was that the team wasn’t prepared to play without him and D’Antoni wasn’t able to adjust and overcome when he went down to the point of insisting on starting him in the first three games only to dump that for games 4 and 5 with much better results.
Even still – Amare wasn’t prepared to play with Boris on the floor in the post b/c they never played that way all season long. Amare said as much. I can’t really blame that on Amare who we know isn’t way up their on the b-ball IQ level b/c of his age and experience.
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by Phoenix Stan on Jun 11, 2008 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I'm fine with Kerr. I think he's a good GM
I don’t like that 3 grown men couldn’t disagree and commit and do what’s best for the Suns. I don’t like that D’Antoni lost faith and used some ridiculous excuses to make his way out of his contract.
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by ZonaFlash on Jun 11, 2008 5:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
not too much to expect
Why not 100 grown men and women in the US Senate for that matter. Don’t we have the same right to expect they can get along and produce a winner?
April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?
by Hawk42 on Jun 12, 2008 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe sports is different
But I don’t really get why Sarver and Kerr didn’t just leave it at “I’m your boss, this is what I want, and I’m going to be paying you $4.5 million next season, so figure out how to work under those conditions.” Same with JJ 3 years ago—”I understand your feelings are hurt, but here’s $70 million as an apology. We think you’re too good to let go. How’s that for respect?”
In any case, ZF is right that D’A was probably the best coach for the Suns next year, but what we have now is a series of moves by Kerr and Sarver that, in theory, address those chemistry issues that seemed to plague the team last year. Given what has happened with the Lakers and Gasol, and the emergence of CP3, it may be a moot point, as the Suns decline was likely sealed with the JJ trade and the selling of the draft picks more than Marion and D’Antoni’s departures. We shall see.
by SoCalSun on Jun 11, 2008 5:07 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
D'A not the man, Suns better off without him
The selling of draft picks was like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. 7SOL could not survive after JJ and Q left, and it died when Matrix left. The other stuff was minor.
April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?
by Hawk42 on Jun 12, 2008 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know that losing Q was such a bad thing
No question that 04-05 team Q was amazing, fun to watch, and revolutionary, but by late in the season I could see that Q was probably the weak link in the starting 5. If there was one guy who you could legitimately say took bad shots in that shoot-as-fast-as-possible offense, it was Q. Not to mention it turns out he was playing through a pretty bad back problem, which has plagued him in New York. Had the Suns been able to work it out with JJ, trading Q for KT and then adding Raja to come off the bench would have made for a pretty deep team. Don’t get me wrong, Raja has been a fantastic starter, but that was initially looking really good for the Suns.
As for the draft picks, I’m thinking Luol Deng or Andre Iguadola would be looking pretty good in a Suns uni right about now (and the last couple of years), that #7 pick should not have been sold.
by SoCalSun on Jun 12, 2008 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Inevitable
As much as I would like to have seen D’Antoni stay, one could see the writing on the wall when we lost the series, hell when the season started, it was hard to imagine D’Antoni here next year without a title.
Defense was only improved on a minimum scale, the bench was non-existant, the rotation was still at eight men, yada yada yada…
With all the same problems cropping up, did anyone think he was going to stay?
Remember the bench he’s had in pervious years was his choosing. He was GM when he picked up Marks, Banks, and some of the other bums and traded all of our other picks. Granted, I argue that Banks (and a few others , uh Boris?) let him down, but he was the one who got them…
Really if there’s anything I’m pissed at the front office for, its not handling the JJ situation properly, and letting go of Bryan, who’s presence would have helped D’Antoni, allowing him to focus on coaching, and supplying him with the talent for SSOL. Good Coaches do not always make good GMs.
Oh also, reiterating my point back in Febuary, because of this year’s playoff failure, I now rate the trade as a failure as well. As much as we needed a big man, I don’t think the Shaq is a good fit.
"Act well your part: there all the honor lies"-Alexander Pope
by PurplePinoy on Jun 11, 2008 8:45 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Duh ....
That trade never was a good fit. It was one of those transition trades, where we had to get rid of Shawn. I wonder what other offers were available. The bonehead move was not getting Miami’s pick.
April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?
by Hawk42 on Jun 12, 2008 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

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