Veteran Free Agents Pass on Suns Measly $1.2m
I guess July isn't the best time of year to recruit people to come to Phoenix. Understandable if you consider a few factors like the 110 degrees, the sun-browned putting "greens" and oh yeah, the lack of any money to offer.
The cash strapped Suns have struck out offering available free agents the veterans minimum of a measly $1.26 million. How can a guy expect to feed his family on that!
Those passing on the insulting Suns offer include backup point guards Anthony Johnson, Chris Duhon and now Tyrone Lue. That perennial object of Sun's affection Brent Barry passed as well.
There doesn't seem to be much fresh meat left in the market. Sam Cassell will certainly want more cash so he can fuel his rocket ship back to Mars (that's a reference to him looking like an Alien in case you missed the joke).
Shawn Livingston has yet to play a game since the horrific destruction of his knee while playing for the hexed Clippers.
Of the two, I would certainly like to hear more about Shawn. If the Sun's miracle working medical staff thinks they can get him rolling again, he might sign a one-year deal just to prove himself and regain his status as young stud PG.
I have said all along that the Suns would need to move LB to make salary space for a backup PG. I still think that sending him to Memphis in return for Lowery, a first round pick and some other filler makes sense. But chances are the Suns will roll into the season with Dragic stuck in Europe and LB and DJ splitting time behind the aging Nash. And while that's not ideal, I am not sure that in the end its any worse then have Tyrone Lue.
Note: I am leaving for Vegas in the morning and will be on-site for the final four Suns summer league games. Just me and my laptop. So look for lots of blogging and maybe some pictures which may or may not include topless table dancing. What happens in Vegas ends up on a blog...
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Stan, you’re clearly bitter that my Bucks won the Tyronn Lue sweepstakes. See you in the finals :)
by Frank Madden on Jul 16, 2008 9:09 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Tyronn Lue?
In the finals? With the Bucks? Against the Suns? Where does one go with that….
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by Phoenix Stan on Jul 16, 2008 9:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Knicks buy out Starbury
What about signing him for the vet min?
by rsavaj on Jul 16, 2008 9:11 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm
how about we pay him the vet min to NOT come to Phx?
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by Phoenix Stan on Jul 16, 2008 9:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could live with it
Granted that all depends on whether or not he wants to be a backup, but overall I wouldnt mind that at all. God knows he’d be worlds apart from Banks off the bench. So if it does happen and he want to come back then why not?
"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness
by Turambar on Jul 16, 2008 10:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
J-Will would be nice
But in defense of Marbury, he’s a pretty good post(not mine) from the ESPN board that sums up my Marbury feelings:
”...Of course Marbury is going to be upset if he’s being benched in favor of Mardy Collins (not that he handled the bencing the right way), but if he’s playing behind a two-time MVP, he’d have no choice but to accept his role. I have to imagine that Shaq would keep Marbury in line, too, and Terry Porter played with Marbury for a couple years in Minnesota. Here were some of those games against the Suns:
http://www.basketballreference.com/teams/boxscore.htm?yr=1996&b=19961213&tm=MIN
http://www.basketballreference.com/teams/boxscore.htm?yr=1996&b=19970216&tm=MIN
http://www.basketballreference.com/teams/boxscore.htm?yr=1996&b=19970408&tm=PHO
http://www.basketballreference.com/teams/boxscore.htm?yr=1997&b=19971118&tm=PHO
And Marbury would understand that the best way to boost his stock would be to play an important reserve role in helping a club compete for a championship, kind of like Tim Thomas in Phoenix in 2006. In the past, we’ve seen former players with reputations for being acidic “straighten up” as hired guns off the bench for a contender late in their careers. Think of Bob McAdoo with the Lakers in the eighties, for instance, and Marbury as an instant-offense, Vinnie Johnson-type off the bench could be intriguing. I know that the Suns feature Barbosa for that role, but Marbury could provide a different variation of it with better pull-up shooting, playmakng, and the ability to break down a set defense. Could you imagine bringing Marbury, Barbosa, and either Hill or Diaw off the bench, and Marbury’s presence giving the Suns the luxury of really being cautious with Nash should he be experiencing any physical difficulties?
The problem with Marbury (in part) is that he’s almost always been “the man,” yet instead of being a consistent leader, he’s been frequently narcissistic with a tendency to alienate teammates. But as a backup in Phoenix, there would be no more illusions or delusions about his place on the team and in the NBA and his ego would have no choice but to diminish. The biggest potential drawback that I’d see is if Barbosa were to become passive in Marbury’s presence, but remember that Barbosa seemed to be one of the few players who really liked Marbury as a teammate. I also think that Barbosa is most dangerous when slashing on the wing or along the baseline, with someone else controlling the center of the floor.
I’m probably just trying to look for an upside, a possibility with Marbury. How about Nick Van Exel, another talented point guard with a reputation for volatility? He went to Dallas late in his career, came off the bench behind Steve Nash, and flourished in the kind of reserve role that I outlined.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200305080DAL.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200305100SAC.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200305150SAC.html
Granted, Van Exel was a different person and he’d played on contending teams with the Lakers, and, yes, Marbury’s tattoo wasn’t exactly an encouraging sign for improved mental stability. But maybe part of Marbury’s problem was that he just wasn’t suited to being this team leader and franchise player that so many organizations hoped that he’d be. Perhaps his psychological capacity demands a narrower niche, in which he might thrive.
And, yes, I may just be stabbing in the dark here. It’s something to think about, though, and we’ve seen situations where a fallen star enjoys partial (or even full) resurrection in the right context with an altered sense of responsibility.
Of course, I may just be playing “mad scientist,” and I freely admit that. ;)
I’m not saying that Phoenix would be Marbury’s first option, just that if given the chance, he could potentially use it to his advantage. Point guards who can score and set-up teammates are generically attractive, but Marbury’s luster has been missing for years. It may be that no team would really want to take the chance on him as a starter, and that only a contender who could limit his minutes would feel comfortable enough with rolling the dice. And when an athlete sees his market dry up, sometimes he ends up being humbled.
Last season, Isiah Thomas (not exactly the Dr. Phil of the NBA) benched Marbury in favor of one Mardy Collins and then Marbury succumbed to injury. The Knicks have constituted a bad situation for years, and although Marbury was one of the foremost problems, he probably needed a change of scenery, or at least a change of coach, to reconfigure himself.
If Marbury causes any trouble in Phoenix or proves uncooperative, the Suns could simply release him. Furthermore, there are people on this team who could potentially keep the guy in check, players of stature such as Shaq, Nash, and Hill. In New York, or any of Marbury’s previous teams, who was going to do that? Marbury was “the man” on most of them, and his status and salary were usually the highest. In Phoenix, that would no longer be the case.
Obviously, anyone listening to his more conservative side would not want to take a potentially needless gamble on Marbury. But sometimes, in a certain environment, a certain gamble can pay off. Look at Detroit with Rasheed Wallace in 2004, or Chicago with Brian Williams (soon to be known as Bison Dele) in 1997.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199705100ATL.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199705280CHI.html
Those teams reckoned that in their winning environments, previously volatile or troubled individuals would comport themselves well enough to allow their talent to pay off during a championship quest. Heck, how about Randy Moss with the Patriots last season?
To me, there are enough such examples to at least pause and think on Marbury, if nothing more.”
by rsavaj on Jul 17, 2008 9:22 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
to finish it off
”...I don’t deny the risk with Marbury and it may well out-weigh the reward. But in terms of taking a chance on someone with something to prove, for every Elliot Perry that emerges, there are, who knows, fifty or one hundred players who don’t prove worthy of significant playing time. Perhaps D.J. Strawberry will buck the trend, but as I’ve indicated, Phoenix management and coaches could be very clear of their expectations for Marbury and warn the guard that they’ll release him at the slightest deviation on his part. Or because of Marbury’s former connection with Jerry Colangelo, perhaps he’d feel comfortable enough to privately request a release (should he be discontent) without creating a ruckus. I do think that what happened in New York will not necessarily go down in Phoenix because of so many radical differences, from the names on the roster, to the success of the team, to the culture of the organization. Again, should Marbury not fit at all or prove incapable of making a positive net impact, he and the Suns could render that judgment very early and amicably part ways.”“
by rsavaj on Jul 17, 2008 9:23 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marbs for backup PG?
Man, what memories! That first box sccore with Hot Rod going for 19/9 was probably the only good game he had with us. Looking over the boxes, it is plain that
1) The Kidd-KJ backcourt should have worked, but didn’t.
2) What would have happened if Danny Manning hadn’t ever blown his knee the second and third times?
3) I can see why we liked Googs. He pretty much torched us in Minny.
4) The Googs/Marbs/Garnett trio was nice, but they didn’t stay together.
As far as whether we should bring starbury in, that all depends on his state of mind. He did some pretty insane things in the last few years.
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by Hawk42 on Jul 17, 2008 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Williams
I always though JWill (the white one) would be a nice back up to nash. Memphis and Miami took away his creativity, but backing up nash, he could find it again. And he is used to playing with Shaq. I know he is looking at Orlando, but its a thought given he is still available. He has the potential to be great, where most of these other guys have the potential to be mediocre
"Hes very cerebral when he plays out there"--Hubie
by Snowbird on Jul 16, 2008 11:27 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Bring on...
WHITE CHOCOLATE! He definitely was fun to watch early in his career with Sacramento. Now that he’s pulled back a little from his streetball style, I think he’d be a good fit to run whatever fastbreak we have left.
by brian13 on Jul 17, 2008 1:43 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great choice
He would be a great back up PG for Nash…but I think he is looking for more money than we can offer him.
"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"
by PanamaSun on Jul 17, 2008 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do we have to offer?
The Suns are no longer a title contender. They are old, past their prime, with a new coach, and not to mention, playing in a very competitive division and conference. I don’t think many guys are pining to play for the Phoenix Suns.
Going back to Marbury is a bad idea, (like getting back together with your ex girlfriend). Too many ifs to the equation, and while he should consider himself lucky if he gets an offer to play in the NBA this year (assuming he is bought out), his ego will prevent him
from being a productive player.
Unless there is a trade made, look for the backup PG by committee this season (god help us).
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by RD74 on Jul 17, 2008 4:36 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
in game blogging today?
"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness
by Turambar on Jul 17, 2008 6:01 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs



















