Another Trade Scenario
Since there's been some talk about trade ideas, here is this idea, which serves both the present and the future. Here we trade with the Nets.
The Suns trade:
- Leandro Barbosa 4 yr/27.4M
- Alando Tucker 1 yr/1M
- their 2009 1st Round Pick
- their 2009 2nd Round Pick
The Suns receive
- Trenton Hassell 2 yr/8.7M
- Josh Boone 1 yr/1.5M (team option in 2009-2010)
- Marcus Williams 1 yr/1.2M (team option in 2009-2010)
- the Nets 2010 1st Round Pick
Benefit for the Nets:
The Nets are now in a full rebuilding mode, aiming at signing Lebron in the off-season after 2009-2010. To sign him, they will need 1) cap space and 2) an attractive enough team. Barbosa does not hurt their future cap space very much, and in 2010 is a much more attractive asset in terms of age/contract/ego than their current SG, Vince Carter (who will be 33 at that point). Furthermore, Barbosa allows them to move Carter if they want (and can), giving them potentially the fastest backcourt in the league when you team him with Devin Harris. Unlike Harris, however, Barbosa can shoot. Additionally, the Nets get our 2009 1st pick so they can double up for the second straight year and accelerate their rebuilding process to be prepared for 2010. Tucker is just a final throw-in that adds SF depth and might be nice, but can also be released after one year.
In terms of sacrifice, the Nets lose a fine prospect Boone, who is an impressive rebounder but has offensive limitations. With their new glut at the 4 and 5, however, (S. Williams, B. Lopez, R. Anderson, Y. Jianlian, S. Swift, and possibly N. Krstic), they should not be overly opposed to moving one of their young bigs. Also, Marcus Williams is a nice backup PG, but considering the floor time Devin Harris is like to see and the fact that Barbosa can play PG in a pinch, I think the Nets would be willing to sacrifice him as well. Not to mention that whatever hit their team quality takes as a result of a lack of PG depth doesn't really hurt their draft position. Last, they also lose their 2010 pick, but since they have Dallas' pick as well, I believe they can tolerate this loss.
Benefit for the Suns:
The Suns get depth and back into the 2010 draft. Josh Boone is a relatively similar player to R. Lopez, but if what we're trying to do is find a) front court depth and b) a future defensive counterpart for Amare then I see no reason not to double down and make signing Skinner unnecessary. Plus, I have much more faith in Boone than in Lopez. Marcus Williams gives us a solid backup PG with 3pt range who, should Dragic be available next year, can be released after this season. Trenton Hassell is likely primed for the 11th or 12th spot on the bench, but his contract runs out after 2009-2010 i.e. at the same time as Shaq's and Nash's. Also, it is not a bad thing to have a good perimeter defender at the end of the bench. Last, we receive the 2010 pick, which gets us back into the 2010 draft at a likely decent spot.
The Suns sacrifice, primarily, Barbosa. We will miss his scoring and shooting, but with backup PG and front court depth settled, we can focus our attention on Giricek who can replace some of LB's contributions. Hassell can also give us minutes in a pinch. We also lose our picks next year, which is tough (it was so exciting to draft this year), but we do gain a better pick (the Nets in 2010) in a hopefully a better draft (2009 is no 2008). Plus, not having any picks after next season will leave us with that much more cap room after 09-10. Last, I see the loss of Tucker as minimal.
Conclusion:
It's a trade for a possible future starter (Boone) and present depth. I do worry that the Nets might be hesitant to lose Boone, in which case S.Williams seems a fine option as well. The key is the switching of picks. Without that, I don't know if I see enough motivation to make this deal.
Anyone else think this is a good idea or am I talking stupid? Either is possible.
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Backcourt Size
I don’t think NJ would pull the trigger because this would leave them with a midget sized back court with two 6-3 starters. The speed would be a great incentive but I would think that this advantage would be negated by the length mismatch potentially caused by taller 2’s.
From the Suns perspective, I like this deal. I think NJ would try to weasel their way out of giving up a 2010 1st round pick, though.
by RealTangiblesGuy on Jul 7, 2008 4:39 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Size
Well, their starting backcourt isn’t initially undersized as Carter would still likely start at the 2. But if they moved him then, yes, they could be undersized if you don’t acquire another large 2 in return. I was thinking for the Nets, however, Barbosa/Harris could be a Ellis/Davis Warriors-type combo if they did move Carter and Ellis/Davis was sufficient to win 49 games (along with other pieces, of course).
That is one of the sticking points with Barbosa though. He’s a tweener and somewhat one dimensional, even if it’s a very deep dimension.
Purchasing my Dragic jersey
by rosewood on Jul 7, 2008 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fastbreak
A Harris-Barbosa-Lebron fastbreak would be ridiculously devastating especially since there are very few 1-2-3 lineups that could keep up with that crew on the break.
by RealTangiblesGuy on Jul 7, 2008 5:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but
Not much defense in that trio
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by Hawk42 on Jul 9, 2008 10:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about that, Hawk
Devin Harris is one of the best defensive PGs in the league and Lebron is becoming an increasingly effective defender. Barbosa’s weak, but I would say this is still a pretty solid D trio.
Purchasing my Dragic jersey
by rosewood on Jul 9, 2008 11:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harris solid on D?
Part of the privilege of living in big D (if you could call it that) was that I saw the Mavs a lot. One of the problems they had is that they were consistently torched by opposing point guards. I don’t know what the impression was around the league, but my ears would burn listening to talk radio in Dallas complain about Mr Potential, and how long they were going to wait on him. The big reason they made the traade is that they basically gave up on Harris becoming the elite PG they thought he was.
As far as LeBron goes, yeah, I have seen improvement from time to time. But for now he is still in Amare’s league, a fantastic offensive player with incredible athletic ability that looks god-awful on defense on a regular basis. Both of them can clamp down if they want to, like with Amare’s play on KG in Phoenix, and LeBron’s battles with Kobe.
We all know of LB’s defensive problems. His problems are similar to Harris’s. While having incredible natural ability, both seem to lose their men with regularity. They both get picked easily, and moving laterally is an adventure. Iverson or Baron Davis would light up either one.
Not to mention the defensive problems with starting both in the same backcourt.
Offensively, if LB learns not to be the end all black hole, then yes, they would be very difficult to stop. Especially when paired with a center and PF that rebounded well and didn’t need the ball to be effective.
April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?
by Hawk42 on Jul 11, 2008 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fascinating.
I love all the trade machine action going on. While, I’m not wild about parting with Barbosa or the 2009 pick, I think the trade merits some thought as part of the whole “Win Now, Win Later” process that Kerr seems to be undertaking.
by Mike Lisboa on Jul 7, 2008 6:04 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I’m not sure we should trade Barbosa, but I thought that since people were throwing out trades, I should throw out one of my own. It seemed like the trendy thing to do.
Also, in fifty years, when the American economy has collapsed because of worker inefficiency, I think experts will determine it was the trade machine that led us to our demise.
Purchasing my Dragic jersey
by rosewood on Jul 8, 2008 6:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
50 years?
You’re an optomist
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by Phoenix Stan on Jul 9, 2008 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was Rush Limbaugh
April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?
by Hawk42 on Jul 9, 2008 10:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worker inefficiency
Hasn’t hurt Europe much. See Spain and France. They still making buck just fine even though workers have the god-given right to smoke cigarettes in the semiconductor factory clean rooms…
Wondering what the skip-2-my-loo to do next with my empty summer
by ZonaFlash on Jul 23, 2008 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't trade picks in consecutive years
Which means that we can’t trade the 09, thank God.
by rsavaj on Jul 8, 2008 4:59 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
This is an exception
You can trade both your 2009 and 2010 picks so long as you have another team’s first round pick in one of those two drafts. In this case, we have New Jersey’s in 2010. The rule only requires that you have a first round pick, not necessarily yours.
If we were just trying to trade the 2009 pick for a player then that would not be legal under NBA trading rules.
Purchasing my Dragic jersey
by rosewood on Jul 8, 2008 6:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tucker
I’ve been saying since last season’s training camp that Tucker was going to be used in a trade just to make salary cap issues work out.
For that reason alone, I like the trade—vindication. Also, and it kind of makes sense. I guess I don’t see how its a great upgrade, though. Probably because I think most of the Nets are losers.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on Jul 9, 2008 11:45 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Why do I feel like
Tucker is a glorified second round pick who just happens to have a guaranteed contract?
Wondering what the skip-2-my-loo to do next with my empty summer
by ZonaFlash on Jul 23, 2008 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

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