The Suns haven’t won because of:

bad luck,
bad officiating/Stern (KG grabbed a ref and didn’t get suspended),
bad defense (going back to — at least — Barkley trying to make a steal from Pippen at the top of the key, allowing Pippen to drive and forcing Grant’s man over, thus leaving Grant open and forcing Ainge to defend the low post leaving Paxson open),
untimely and stupid fouls,
big egoes,
no bench,
hard-headed coaches,
lacksadaisical coaches (D’Antoni was Westphal 2.0 in this regard),
victims of Bowen’s ninja-like moves and inconsistent regular season vs. playoff officiating,
lack of a defensive stopper, and
the absence of a truly great player that can carry a team

Every fan whines, though, for these reasons and many more. Over at PtR, some fans posted that Manu got no calls and was the victim of racism of the likes not seen since Jackie Robinson. All fans do it, but Suns fans are perceived as doing it more often. I don’t know why. Oftentimes, a logical critique of Stern’s problems and inconsistencies is often discarded as “whining” by un-intelligent fans of other teams, but some criticisms of whining are, in fact, very fair.

Your friend (and you), however, cannot compare fans’ whining to Kobe’s whining. That’s an un-related argument.

And they did get a steal in the Gasol trade. Chicago was offering more. I bet Memphis wouldn’t have even taken Matrix b/c the owner is just trying to dump expenses to sell the team. Kupchak’s brilliance (if you can call it that) was recognizing that Memphis DIDN’T ACTUALLY WANT ANYTHING IN RETURN for Gasol. Chew on that

You are right, Kobes whining was the best I could come up with! I was getting bombed!

but if we are whiners for pointing to injuries, the refs, and Stern, then I think at least half the writers for ESPN are whiners as well since a lot of them feel the same way we do about our playoff exits.

Laker fans…God know’s I’ve had to deal with them for a while. Dont those fools forget just how much they were whining when their team was failing at life and Kobe was screaming for a trade? Every fan base has “whined” about their team for some period of time over the course of history. The only difference with Suns fans is that unlike most other NBA teams we have yet to ascend to the glory of winning a championship. With that in mind we’ve had alot of “what if” moments to think about, forty years worth to be exact. Hell if a few things have gone differently for the Lakers in the past perhaps they would be the ones known as “whiners”. Yet the fact is that not too much has gone against the Lakers throughout their history while quite a few things have gone against the Suns.

Overall though I feel that the only reason that we have been labeled as whiners by so many is only due to the fact that the Suns have received so much coverage in the past few years and were expected to do so much. Thus when things did not go as planned (injuries, questionable calls, etc) then that spotlight was still there to cover us being mad as hell over the apparent and/or real injustice done against us.

Well that’s my take for now.

All sports fans become whiners at one point. I think the reason why we haven’t won in the past is because we just haven’t been the best. Our time will come though. Of that I am sure.

Isn’t this kind of fan rivarly just another lesser form of racism?

Can’t we all just get along??

Why are Lakers fans so dumb anyway???

they are THE biggest bandwagoneers on the planet. and most of them have the funniest arguments like: ‘Kobe is the best. he is. no denying. come on, MJ can suck his balls.’ I just love listening to 80 % of them (OK, f**k it, the one mentioned in the article was more or less right, but that doesn’t make up for the huge number of bandwagoneers)

Lakers or Suns? Because of Run n Gun…I’ll have to say the Suns…
Just like Turumbar said…we haven been labeled “Whiners” because a lot of people has been rooting for the Suns in the last 4-5 years. It’s always cool to support the underdog…