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Surprise Surprise, Shaq steps in it again

Look, there were a lot of reasons that I never liked this trade and most of them had to do with what the Big Breather brought (or no longer brought) on the court.

But I never liked the big guy's act either and here's just another example.

According to court docs Shaq wrote her one email that reads, "I dnt no who the fuk u think u dealin wit u will neva be heard from one phone call is all I gotta make no try me. Sho me."

The docs also allege Shaq sent her "an unsolicited vulgar and offensive illustration of a man physically restraining a woman while forcing her to engage in sexual intercourse with him."

I still contend that we shouldn't judge NBA players based on their personal lives and I agree with Sir Charles that if you let your kids look up to professional athletes as role models then that's on you.

But Shaq is a $20m / year salary cap busting exception to all the rules. So let's hear it all you Shaq Lovers about how he's just misunderstood and boys will be boys. Maybe Shaq was just breathing heavy because he finished a workout so he would be in peak physical condition for the up-coming season.

And while we're at it, let's see how all those self-righteous Phoenix fans react to this one.

Can't stand AI and Melo because they're "thugs"? Never would trade for Kobe in a million years? Ron Artest and Stephen Jackson should be in prison?

How are you all feeling about Superman right about now?

And yes Mr. Kerr, if you are tasting a big helping of my own self-righteous I told you so this morning then just mix it with your coffee and drink it right down. Its time we call this one answered.  

"If it works, I'm a genius," Kerr said. "If it doesn't, I'm a moron, I guess."

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But.....but....

we needed a TRUE CENTER, SEE?! We weren’t GOING TO WIN without SHAQ! He was the ANSWER! And he’s just…..MISUNDERSTOOD!

LEAVE SHAQ ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sigh. This trade has negatively impacted my happiness.

by rsavaj on Aug 23, 2008 10:20 AM MDT   0 recs

EPIC FAIL

I’ve been on-board with the Shaq deal since day one (ok, maybe day 2), but there’s really only side of the fence on this. Profanity-laced raps about your former teammate are one thing, childish perhaps, but ultimately really neither here nor there. Profanity-laced (and grammatically horrifying) email threats, on the other hand are a complete non-starter.

I’m not sure quite what you’re getting at with the “self-righteous fan” angle, but assuming that the “alleged” incidents really happened, there’s no excusing it. I couldn’t care less about how many co-eds Boris gets freaky with in downtown Tempe, or if Josh Howard spends his summer inhaling Jamaica’s number one home-grown export, but I’ll draw the line at behavior that’s abusive towards fellow humans—whether it’s threatening a hit squad or throwing french fries (and fists). If that makes me self-righteous, I’m guilty as charged.

by SoCalSun on Aug 23, 2008 11:21 AM MDT   0 recs

Stan

You don’t like, Shaq. Fine. But really this is too much. There’s no exceptions to the ignoring the personal lives of athletes rule. You can’t watch sports without it.

Shaq is harassing an ex-girlfriend. That’s not cool. Shaq gets paid 20M dollars to play basketball whie 30M households in this country live in poverty. That’s egregious.

If you want to take the moral high ground, stop cheering on the brats we call athletes as any of them, if they had any kind of decency, would donate 3/4 of their salaries to the poor. I don’t look at any human as decent who can make a million dollars and keep it all.

So is Shaq an ass? Probably, but what else do you expect? The whole idea of professional sports in morally indulgent. You can’t get around that. Picking out specific acts by the athletes is like dusting off dirt on a pile of crap.

Purchasing my Dragic jersey

by rosewood on Aug 23, 2008 12:17 PM MDT   0 recs

Not sure I am following you

but I think I agree with what you are saying….or maybe not. Depends.

Here’s what I am saying:

a) I don’t care to judge athletes on their personal lives. They are entertainers and “exist” for my pleasure.
b) I never have liked Shaq’s “act” and big mouth but wouldn’t really care about that if he was still worth the $40m in salary cap. Or $10m in salary cap for that matter.
c) I am calling out those Suns fans that love to hate on guys like Melo and Jackson for their “thugness” to see if they will be consistent and hold Shaq to the same standard just as SoCalSun did above.

Is that what you are saying?

by Phoenix Stan on Aug 23, 2008 6:37 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Degrees of "thugness"

Shooting a gun into the air at a crowded place should result in a long prison sentence …

Running into the stands and attacking fans should result in being banned from the game …

Driving drunk should result in punishment, probably a short jail sentence …

Cheating on your spouse and/or harassing an ex-girlfriend is wrong but not necessarily criminal …

How any of these things affect your team is what goes on in the locker room, so we cannot speak to that unless it negatively impacts the team.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Aug 25, 2008 10:51 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

making her feal unconfortable about her prospects for life is not nessassaeraly criminal?

are you married, have a girlfriend, daughter, anyone? If any of the women in my life showed me an email like that………(you fill in the blank)

"Next up, an event we will be following this through Celtic training camp: the Trail Blazers’ fan base competes in sychronized sweating."
--- LaoTzu on Aug 22, 2008 11:51 AM PDT

by ptwnblzr on Aug 25, 2008 7:12 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

That's exactly right

Not criminal.

What if every time you called someone a name or made a threat, you were charged with a crime? What about name calling? Should that be a crime?

The legal situation is different than how you may respond to it morally/ethically/emotionally.

A civil restraining order just says that you two need to stay apart. Violation of the restraining order is what gets you in trouble.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Aug 26, 2008 11:22 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

there's a difference between calling someone a name

and threatening their life. I wonder if its a crime to threaghten to kill the president? i mean, shes hardly the president, but i wonder, to the other point, if imposing fear into another person to invoke certain behaviors could be construed, “thuggish behavior”?

"Next up, an event we will be following this through Celtic training camp: the Trail Blazers’ fan base competes in sychronized sweating."
--- LaoTzu on Aug 22, 2008 11:51 AM PDT

by ptwnblzr on Aug 26, 2008 12:20 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Imposing fear?

Not sure what that means, and it depends on the speaker and the audience. Try to criminalize that.

The only quote we’ve got appears to be in reference to Shaq putting an end to her rapping career. Not a crime. Maybe there’s a civil lawsuit, but then the guys running Starbucks should also be called thugs.

The description of the other things are disturbing but there’s yet to be a direct quote that is attributed to the source (the Big Intimidator).

Womanizing philanderer? Yes.
Testosterone-filled bully? Yes.
Bad move? Yes.

Thug? Maybe, but his acts (if true) do not yet rise to the level of discharging a firearm or driving drunk. Maybe they will one day, but right now he’s just a foul-mouthed jerk. Back to Stan’s original point — no, he’s not on the same level of thugness as Artest or Jackson.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Aug 26, 2008 1:56 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

your taking the wind out of my sails. im almost there with ya.
…got a restraining order against Shaquille O’Neal, alleging he threatened to hurt her…

implies phisical harm, maybe taken out of context.

…sent her “an unsolicited vulgar and offensive illustration of a man physically restraining a woman while forcing her to engage in sexual intercourse with him.”

forced intercourse = rape, at the least, a concerning intimation. But again, possably taken out of context, they might have enjoyed that type of thing during their time together.

admittedly, a good lawyer could very well make short work of what iv’e seen so far, but althou I conseed to the criminal, he has not after all, shot or set fire to anyone, i’ll still contest your protestations to shaq being labled a thug. to me, even though he hasn’t swong on any fans, hes in the same vain as kidd,, collord with bruce bowen +100lbs.

"Next up, an event we will be following this through Celtic training camp: the Trail Blazers’ fan base competes in sychronized sweating."
--- LaoTzu on Aug 22, 2008 11:51 AM PDT

by ptwnblzr on Aug 26, 2008 2:28 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

When you need a lawyer

to parse your actions – that’s you JSun – then you’ve already entered a Clintonian realm of rationalization…

by Phoenix Stan on Aug 26, 2008 3:12 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Parsing actions or words?

No one’s arguing about the definition of the word “is”

Actually, I’m saying lawyers should file less lawsuits. You can’t be charged with a crime or sued simply for exercising your God-given right to be an a-hole.

As disturbing as all this is, in my book he’s not yet a “thug” — so it does kind of depend on the definition, I suppose.

Is training camp here yet?

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Aug 26, 2008 3:57 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I wasn't coming back

Till the beginning of the new season, but now I’m curious as to how you guys will react to this. I am surprised by this espically after I read this awhile ago.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hn8D1S6ga8VEDsuvy9o8_sqIG5FwD92I8UG00

Shaq:"The kobster, he's an assassin" Answer for who should be mvp.

by ldeep on Aug 23, 2008 2:53 PM MDT   0 recs

I thought of you

warning Suns fans about Shaq’s “issues” when the deal was made.

by Phoenix Stan on Aug 23, 2008 6:39 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Colangelo

Would he keep Shaq around after this, providing it’s true? I’m not so sure. He got rid of Kidd, our saviour from Starbury, when he roughed up Joumana….

by KJ7 on Aug 23, 2008 4:11 PM MDT   0 recs

Jerry C

wouldn’t have traded for him in the first place…

I am not exactly sure how you could possibly hope to get rid of him now without buying out his contract.

Banks aren’t doing all that well right now so I am guessing Sarver doesn’t have spare $20m to buy him out.

by Phoenix Stan on Aug 23, 2008 6:38 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

good point

Jerry would have left that deal alone, realizing Shaq was an albatross waiting to happen.

by KJ7 on Aug 25, 2008 9:41 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I was 50/50

on the deal. Hated Marion leaving, but knew something had to be done. So here we are, Shaq aint going anywhere. So we better get use to it. Probably suit up for what 55 games next year?
 Shaq needs to focus on the court, but when your throwin down big bling, boys will play and get in trouble.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Aug 23, 2008 11:26 PM MDT   0 recs

Jerry C != Suns anymore.

Colangelo still casts a large shadow, but sadly (and ironically, like Shaq) his real influence is not what it was. Time will tell if Sarver and Kerr will run the same type of organization and hold “character issues” in the same regard that the Cs did. Those on this board with some Suns history will recall that it was a cocaine scandal on the team that created the situation that allowed Jerry to buy the team in the first place, and he set the tone early on that it was going to be a clean team.

I’m sure that Sarver and Kerr will address the situation with Shaq, but the reality is that he’s a 36yr old multi-millionaire, playing out the string on the last 2 years and $40 mill on what everyone knows is the final contract of his hall of fame career. It’s going to fall on his own personal sense of preserving whatever is left of his legacy to stop making these sorts of headlines.

by SoCalSun on Aug 24, 2008 1:24 AM MDT   0 recs

hey guys

Well, I didn’t know much about shaq before he came to phx, i only had time to follow the suns, not the entire league, exceptions have been here and there (like bird, jordan, and now oden) but not shaq.

I enjoyed much of his humor, and his effort during his first yr with the suns. I think we all agree something had to be done with marion, but to go from getting close to kg to getting shaq was a shame. I approved the trade and hoped for the best, it’s possible, but unlikely next yr will be better with Shaq, but, in hindsight, purely on his freethrow shooting, I wouldn’t make the trade. What’d shaq miss, like 15 of 30+ free throws in the spurs series, seriously, and we lost 2-3 of those games by a very slim margin.

On Allen Iverson thug comparison, really, that’s a bad comparison. Your basing the shaq is a thug idea on hearsay from an upset wife. It’s most likely they’re both messed up. But saying shaq is a thug, I would not say that. He actually passes, unlike Iverson, and gets hacked and beatup more than any other player on the court (easily), and takes it.

It’s real simple, the trade for shaq was close to working, it really was, if he could’ve shot 75% consistently, or higher from the free throw line, I think we would’ve won it all. The problem is, what’s to stop another team from doing the hack a shaq like popovich did, nothing….look at amare and what a great free throw shooter he has become, I mean wow! With this is mind, I think shaq will be best used 20-25 min a game an no more, and for 20 million, thats not good.

Amare would’ve really been useful to this olympic team, too bad he missed this, but lets face it, Amare has never been very bright.

Final note, the comments shaq makes that are not funny, but simply rude/negative, that stuff I could do without, but often his humor is not of that type, often it’s just plain silly, that’s the shaq I like.

by be-the-ball on Aug 24, 2008 2:30 PM MDT   0 recs

I think people call shaq a thug more becouse of how he plays

then anything else, hes a bully. ok so it works, im not mad and he dont appologize for it. he has rings, fine. You can you tube him and see a ton of vids of him playing dirty against amarri even.

It probably isnt helping that he is making threaghts like, “one phone call” ect, but whatever.

"Next up, an event we will be following this through Celtic training camp: the Trail Blazers’ fan base competes in sychronized sweating."
--- LaoTzu on Aug 22, 2008 11:51 AM PDT

by ptwnblzr on Aug 25, 2008 7:48 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Stan..

I get your point. You are probably going to shoot me but i’m still confident that Shaq can help us. You just gotta remember that stretch were we beat SA and Golden State in the same week. With a full training camp, with the new (defensive minded)coach and new players…I think they can still make a run for it!

As old as Shaq is, he can still help. And about his personal issues, rapping and restraining orders… I really don’t care, as long as it doesn’t hurt the team.

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Aug 25, 2008 9:08 AM MDT   0 recs

I could help the team

I think that standard is a bit low. Sure, he’s going to do some things on the floor. He can’t help but do something. The question is about the value:production ratio.

$20m is a pretty high standard. That’s like 5 Robin Lopez’ or 10 Johan Petros….

by Phoenix Stan on Aug 25, 2008 3:39 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

P.S

when you look at it like that (money wise), it’s a bad deal, here’s a question though, if shaq and others can bring a title to phx this yr or next, and shaq helped, the deal would be thought of as a good move…there’s still time…unlikely though..

by be-the-ball on Aug 26, 2008 9:48 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

There's always a chance I will be wrong....

it has been known to happen once or twice

but what’s the point of having a blog if you aren’t will to take a Stan-d? Right?

Get it. Stan-d = stand? Ha, I crack myself up

by Phoenix Stan on Aug 26, 2008 10:19 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

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