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Amare Stoudemire - Half Beast Half Boy All Defense

Unable to sleep at 3am I was thinking about Amare Stoudemire's body. Specifically how he's not built for defense, rebounding or battling in the paint. Shoals-amare-blocks-dwight_medium

Amare's known and loved as one of the best and most powerful finishers in the game who's also added a deadly jump shot. But he's also a guy that gets called out by everyone from Charles Barkely to Craig Sager for under performing on D.

It's assumed by most that Amare just needs to apply himself more and try harder to become a great defender and fulfill his potential. There's certainly room for improvement but what gets left out of the discussion is his body and the way he's been poorly coached and misused.

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Great NBA players are a combination of many things. Short nonathletic types like me (and 98% of you) love to talk about heart, will, mental toughness, stamina, desire and grit. We remember the time when we were totally hung over after a full night of partying and still managed to power through a day of work and feel like we can relate.

What we can't possibly understand is what it's like to be 6'11" and 250lbs with the speed and agility of a gazel and the power of a bear. So we don't talk about how that body is put together and better suited for a certain type of game played against other giants of men. We don't examine the distribution of the weight and muscle and assess its impact on low post defense and rebounding. We just assume all very big men can do the same things physically and the difference is desire.

Amare Stoudemire is not built for the role he'd been playing under Mike D'Antoni for the past 4 years. As a center even in this faster, more athletic league you still need both height and (m)ass to succeed on the glass and in the paint.

Amare has the upper body of David Robinson and the lower body of Tracy McGrady. This combination allows him spin and leap past other men and to power through defenders arms and finish strong at the rim.

What he doesn't have is the lower half shared by great defensive big men. Duncan. Chandler. Barkely. Even Boris Diaw and Robin Lopez. These guys have big wide hips and powerful low centers of gravity. In other words, they are built like women with wide hips and more narrow shoulders where as Amare is a man. These girly-men use their powerful bases to full advantage in the paint where they take up space and can avoid being backed down or moved from the under glass.   

This doesn't mean of course that Amare can't be a good defender. Even a great defender. He's quick and agile and can jump through the roof. And it certainly doesn't explain why Amare doesn't do a great job playing the pick and roll and on help rotations.

Amare's been asked over the past several years to play in a system where he's THE big man and where defensive schemes and drills weren't coached. For a young player coming out of high school without sound fundamental basketball skills is it any wonder that the lack of coaching and playing out of position has left him unprepared to play a perimeter defensive game? He was being asked to learn two types of defensive play with the primary role working against his natural abilities while at the same time not having team emphasis on the rest.

Amare worked on his jump shot in the gym during the off season and improved. How was he supposed to work on team defense and rotation schemes in July and August?

I look forward to Amare this season playing his first full year since his rookie season at power forward. The new coaching staff will spend more time (not a high hurdle) on team defense and Amare should show significant improvement on D. But don't expect him to be a 10 plus rebound guy. That's not Amare's game.

I look for Amare to get a few blocks and a steal or two but his impact will be on the stuff that doesn't have a stat line. Help defense, trapping the ball on pick and rolls and using his abilities to be disruptive on the defensive end.

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nice post.

I see your point. Maybe, but I’m not sure… I’ll have to think more on it. My favorite part was you calling Diaw a girl though! Priceless.

by KJ7 on Aug 28, 2008 9:05 AM MDT   0 recs

I agree with most of what you said...

Great post by the way
I’ve said several times that Amare is a monster on the offensive end, he has sick and I mean SICK skills. But the fact that he is so agile and powerful on the offensive end is what makes people wonder why he looks like a school girl on the other end of the court.
Sure, we can blame this on D’Antoni and his system and short practices but a lot has to do with a players mindset and willingness to do things. Every time Amare said that he wanted to improve defensively…I just didn’t believe him cause that’s not what I saw on the court, he lets people blow by him without even trying to defend… why isn’t he able to defend the pick n roll? If he can jump to the roof…why are there games where Steve Nash gets more rebounds than him? Its just unacceptable.
There’s so much we can blame on the coaching staff and the misuse of his abilities. He has to show everyone that he understands basketball is more than scoring in bunches.

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Aug 28, 2008 9:24 AM MDT   0 recs

BBIQ

I think there’s just really a certain amount of BBIQ, at least on the defensive end, that Amare lacks and probably won’t ever be able to attain. I mean, between coaching and will you can make someone a solid defender and that would be ideal, but great defenders like Duncan and Garnett just have an intuitive feel for D that I don’t think Amare has.

It’s not a knock on him either. There aren’t many 26 ppg scorers who also defend well consistently (actually I can’t think of any, even Kobe takes the first 40 or so minutes off every game). Honestly, I’d be thrilled if Amare would just stop fouling so much. If nothing else that would help our D not to mention our offense.

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by rosewood on Aug 28, 2008 9:49 AM MDT   0 recs

It's in the training

I agreed with most of what you said until I saw you call Barkley a great defensive big man … unless you’re saying his defensive rebounding made up for his poor man-to-man defense (and his retarded steal attempt at the end of Game 6 in 1993).

Amare doesn’t have the (m)ass to keep post players from getting good position. Therefore, he has to expend a lot of energy to play defense there. Playing defense just takes more energy and stamina that playing offense (think about a good running team in the fourth quarter of a game). So, that left D’Antoni with the options of running a bunch of Skinner types (a deep rotation) at Duncan (or whoever) to allow Amare to conserve energy for offense or just let Amare try to outscore everyone. We know what he chose, and it almost worked.

Shaq has the (m)ass, but cannot defend the pick-and-roll because he’s got it. It is a rare combination to be able to do both. Diaw can defend the perimeter and guard smaller post players.

There’s simply no excuse as to why he doesn’t get more rebounds. There’s also no excuse for the dumb fouls.

On perimeter defense, I don’t think its his problem. Defense is about drilling and training. It’s like Maverick says, “If you think, you’re dead.” The failure to jump out on Finley during Game 1 is a great example. Coach D told everyone to switch every pick. Amare heard him. In Amare’s brain, he knew what to do. However, he had to think about it and it slowed him down, made him freeze. He had to think about it because he did not know what to instinctively do. That’s why you practice and drill and train. He hasn’t had that.

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by JSun on Aug 28, 2008 10:26 AM MDT   0 recs

Sir Charles

I was thinking more about players with large asses then about Chuck’s actual defensive abilities. And yes rebounding for his size.

Making a point and too lazy to think beyond Round Mound of Rebound….

by Phoenix Stan on Aug 28, 2008 10:29 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

The "D" end

Amare has got to want it. PERIOD.

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by Grockcubs on Aug 28, 2008 12:31 PM MDT   0 recs

I get that

I just think – my opinion – in listening to him that he really does.

Amare is held to a very high standard compared to say a guy like Dirk who is probably the most similar in size and physical abilities.

Also let’s remember how hard Amare worked to recover from his surguries and improve his jump shot and overall offensive game. He’s got room to improve on D and he certainly doesn’t have the defense instincts like KG or TD (to Rosewood’s point) but I don’t think its fair to accuse Amare of “not wanting it”.

by Phoenix Stan on Aug 28, 2008 1:13 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

The thing that worries me

is that Dirk has improved his D a lot, while Amare seems to be focused on adding to offensive arsenal instead.

by rsavaj on Aug 31, 2008 1:12 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Amare's head

As Amare slowly grows, his maturity has risen – there’s still those boyish statements, and the joking around, but getting disciplined on the defensive end and as you guys said, him “wanting it” is something that now has to turn into an action. I believe the Suns have always wanted to get that big defensive stop when it mattered most, but to some degree at least, lacked the ability or foresight.

Amare certainly is built for offense. Even though he is all muscle, power and speed, when you look at him, you don’t see a great defender. The good thing is that there is more than enough room for improvement, and the only way is up.

by dang on Aug 28, 2008 3:48 PM MDT   0 recs

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