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The Suns' "Big 2" Should be Getting Ready for the Stretch Run

The thing about Phoenix is that we are a town that loves the Suns.  The only pro team we had for a long time.  That's really why I started watching basketball -- because that's all we had outside of Sun Devil Football.

As you know by now, the Suns are back in town and Amare Stoudemire is excited that he'll get to practice some defense.  I'll get back to that comment in a bit.  In the meantime, however, what else do we have on the sports horizon?

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Currently, the Diamondbacks' rallying cry seems to be "We're not quite as pathetic as the Dodgers."  The Rockies are only 5 back right now.

The Coyotes are hoping to get over .500.

The Cardinals, after a promising end to last season are now stuck with Anquan "Matrix" Boldin and a quarterback controversy between a recent Heisman winner and an old man.  Goodbye, .500 season.

Sun Devil Football looks promising and the Suns are where they've been the majority of their existence, which is a good team, a playoff team, a team with a shot at a championship but definitely not the favorites.  The more things change, the more they stay the same. 

So, I started thinking about this team for next year and decided to put down a few thoughts.  It's somewhat appropriate with the roster pretty much in place.  My first thought was of last year's anticipation.  I noted some of that here.  I took my son to a scrimmage with about 7,500 fans before the beginning of last season.  We may go again, but I doubt we'll have as many "friends" there.  Going into this season, we're just glad to see the Warriors and Mavericks dropping off so that there's room in the playoff race for the Suns given the seemingly inevitable rise of the Blazers.

Remember this picture?  Clever, indeed, but karma's got nothing on irony.

Do the Suns even have a "Big 3"?  No.  There's a "Big 2" (Nash and Stoudemire) featuring The Big Role-Player.  He's a pretty good role-player and leads a cast of outstanding role players.  Phoenix may have assembled the best group of role-players in the leauge with Shaq, Hill, Bell and LB.  Not to mention, the second-string role-palyers could be first-string role-players on lesser teams.

In some ways, the Suns are a poor man's Sp*rs (only Big 2, not Big 3).  What they have the opportunity to do is play like the Stockton-Malone Jazz.  I don't think its a stretch to imagine Stoudemire starting to deliver like Malone, but I wonder about Nash's effectiveness in a slower half-court game.  I should say I'm less confident about it than I am about my statements regarding Amare, but I'm still pretty confident he can pull that one off.

I think they can do it, though.  And who was the guy who played center with Stockton and Malone?  Yeah, right, I couldn't come up with it either.  Shaq can at least do that, can't he?

So, the Suns are somewhere between a stripped-down version of the Sp*rs or, hopefully, a slightly more talented version of the Stockton-Malone Jazz. 

What does this mean for the season?

My first thought is a question.  During the D'Antoni Era, did you ever watch a Suns game that was not exciting? 

No, you didn't.  Because there was also the chance of a comeback (one way or the other), and because even when the Suns were winning big it was fun to watch.  That's why only the fools left Game 5 of the Clippers series.  This year, be prepared to watch some painful snoozers.  Most of them will come when you know the Suns are not going to make a 15-point comeback, but a few of them will occur when the Suns pound the other team into submission with good defensive rotations and savvy clock management.

Next, I ask that the Suns fans prepare to get behind a good defensive team.  If it happens (big "if" even though that's what we've been promised), this will be a first.  (Don't be fooled by the big talk.  As pointed out by the astute Mr. Lisboa, Majerle's nickname should be "rain" not "thunder."  And while I believe that Stoudemire, et al., truly want to improve on team defense, I am not convinced that one off-season will result in a miraculous transformation.  The defense will be better -- it cannot get worse -- but how much better is another question.).  Few long-time Phoenix fans (much less the recent bandwagoners) knows what good defense looks like.  If not for watching other teams, I would have no clue whatsoever.  This is especially true since the late 80s revival and the Suns have been steered by the likes of Cotton and Westphal.  The first Coyotes' season at AWA, the long time Suns fans didn't understand why the hockey players weren't taking shots in the same manner as the Chuck-ster and Dan "Rain" Majerle.  Phoenicians just do not understand the concept of defense and shot selection (and how the two work together).  So, fans, please learn a little more about defense than you already know and be prepared to applaud a good box out even if the rebound goes to someone else.

My next request is really a sub-part of the previous point.  Please refrain from encouraging a Pat Burke-like shooting exhibition from the likes of Hill, Diaw or anyone else not named Steve or Leandro.  Raja Bell is permitted to play the role of Bruce Bowen and only shoot from the corners.  Time-of-possession is going to play a big role for next year's team.

Playoffs?  It should be a tight race for the division title.  If and when the Suns do not win the division, I'd be shocked if they got into the top four.  The Lakers are the favorites for the division, but I wouldn't lay down steep odds on that wager.  Andrew Bynum will not be the savior for the Lakers.  Even if he's fully recovered (which I doubt -- discussed here), the only thing he's ever done is had two to three dozen pretty good games.  He's got a long way to go.  Maybe someday, but not next year.

It will be important to have a good start, as it should be a tight race again.  However, I'm thinking that the first couple months of the season will not be cause for alarm (barring a horrible start) or great joy (barring a 31-0 start) because the Suns will be setting up for the stretch run for, possibly, the first time ever.

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Greg Ostertag!

Tell me you didn’t remember Ostertag!

He was Kwame Brown except bigger, slower and with worse hands.

by Phoenix Stan on Aug 28, 2008 4:04 PM MDT   0 recs

He was Kwame Brown except bigger, slower and with worse hands.

Blasphemy, you say.

Purchasing my Dragic jersey

by rosewood on Aug 28, 2008 11:14 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Eaton

When was he there?

Was Ostertag an upgrade over Eaton?

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Aug 29, 2008 12:17 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Defense can be fun!

I can’t wait to see The Suns play, it will be an awesome ride.

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Aug 28, 2008 9:07 PM MDT   0 recs

big man

if they expect to play tough defense the suns better get another big man. and i mean an honest to goodness power forward who can also play center… boris diaw simply wont cut it. Also, expect Shaq to be down for a substantial number of games and Robin Lopez is a rookie no matter how good his upside is.

Swapping Diaw for a quality big man would be the best scenario but i doubt if any team would go for Diaw’s big contract with his minimal contribution. Barbosa seems to be the best trade bait – if we can get a decent defensive big guy for Barbosa (Nick Collison??) Diaw would definitely be better at small forward allowing grant hill/ matt barnes to reinforce the 2-spot vacated by Barbosa. Alando Tucker is also there.

by toto_l2003 on Aug 29, 2008 3:29 AM MDT   0 recs

I swear I didn't write this

even though it echo’s exactly my thoughts!!! GREAT WORK! :)

by Phoenix Stan on Aug 29, 2008 3:22 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

bang on

Much as i enjoy having LB on the team, he would seem to be the most suitable trade chip. Would definately be foolish to try and go into the season with only STAT, Shaq & RoLo as the true big men likely to get significant mins (unless Amundson suprises us all)…..somebody mentioned Johan Petro the other day as a possibility, Collison would also be a good consideration.

overall though i’m excited to see how things play out this year, and hoping everyone gets a fair chance to play….

by nash-n-burn on Aug 29, 2008 8:10 AM MDT   0 recs

Just a curious comment

When you said lakers weren’t guarnteed the top spot of the division you guys are talking about yourself being the top threat cause I think you guys will still be good I don’t see you guys getting enough wins to keep up. Shaq is guaranteed to get injured and the lakers don’t need bynum to play a bit over 60% ball which is more then enough to take the division.

Shaq:"The kobster, he's an assassin" Answer for who should be mvp.

by ldeep on Aug 29, 2008 11:36 AM MDT   0 recs

Division

Not thinking the Suns are going to challenge for the division title is about as educated as saying the Lakers are not the favorite.

The piece predicts the Lakers taking the division, but says the Suns are the threat.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Aug 29, 2008 12:16 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

gotcha.

Shaq:"The kobster, he's an assassin" Answer for who should be mvp.

by ldeep on Aug 29, 2008 12:31 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

don't count out

the Clippers in the Pacific Div. Baron and Kaaman will…oh forget it.

by Phoenix Stan on Aug 29, 2008 3:24 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Greg Oh!-Sta!-Tag!

As only Hot Rod Hundley could say it. A much better (and more consistent) player than Kwame Brown will ever be, his career effectively peaked when he mouthed off to Shaq during a pre-game shoot-around, who b!tch-slapped him so hard it knocked him over. His fall shattered his confidence (a career ender there), and he was never the same…

Re: Dodgers/D-Backs—the Dodgers are so Clipper-like that the former heroes of Chavez Ravine and darlings of Los Angeles have not won a playoff game in OVER TWO DECADES. Watching the Snakes try to keep pace with them in the loss column convinces me that I will not be getting a newer version of my 2001 championship cap in the near future. Oy.

As for the Suns…well put Stan, as usual they will be an upper echelon team with an outside shot at the title, but more realistically battling hard to make it to the 2nd round. This reminds me of 97-98, when the team won 56 games, but just couldn’t compete with the big boys. The key will be the timing of Shaq’s 20-30 game injury, and how it lays out against the difficulty of the schedule. I do like what I’m hearing about most of the players being in town and working out.

 The Warriors weren’t going anywhere before Ellis hurt himself; they’ll just be getting there a little more slowly now. As for Portland, it turns out Rudy Fernandez can play? That is a scary squad there.

by SoCalSun on Aug 29, 2008 4:19 PM MDT   0 recs

Defense is key but not all!

Am I still a Suns bandwagonner after two years? Regardless, I’ve only seen run and gun from the Suns, a style that hockey once embraced and then eschewed before realizing how vital it is for ratings.

The key is balance, a better defensive team that can still put on a show and win games. Here’s hoping that Terry Porter can transition the Suns into just that kind of team this year.

---sunnie

by Sunnie on Sep 2, 2008 11:11 AM MDT   0 recs

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