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Steve Nash - Pompous Ass

Blasphemy he says! But how else does one (being a Suns fan and not just a Nash nobbler) react otherwise to this comment:

Is Phoenix good enough that it can sit Nash for 12 games? “I don’t know,” Nash says. “Probably not.”

Doesn't Steve understand how poorly he played in the Spurs series last year and how much the Suns need him healthy and fresh in April and May - even if it costs a few games in December and January?

Doesn't The Producer get that as his time in the sun comes to an end that a new star will have to rise? (how's that for some cheesy solar allusions?)

Hey, like all fans of the Suns and basketball (and the planet earth) I love Steve Nash.  But this is comment was very unNash-like. 

Maybe Steve should try and be more humble like his teammate...or his step-brother.

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Truth hurts

After all, as that same article points out, the Suns are less than 24% (4-13) without Nash in the lineup, and over 73% (228-83) with him the past four seasons.

Definitely not my favorite Nash quote ever, and yes, I’d (hypocritically?) be annoyed were it made by someone with a history of self-aggrandizing comments (coughAmarecough), but I’m going to chock this one up to Nash clearly not being in the mood for an interview to begin with (as the article makes clear was the case). Besides, it’s not like he didn’t have a point. The Suns have looked worse than a lottery team in most of the games he’s missed the past few years, and until that changes, well, truth hurts.

by TexSUN on Aug 29, 2008 7:40 PM MDT   0 recs

exactly

it has to change and that means resting him more

by Phoenix Stan on Aug 29, 2008 8:26 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

If D'Antoni was still in charge

… I’d not be surprised by this comment.

by troglodytes on Aug 29, 2008 9:44 PM MDT   0 recs

Come on!

Was this comment taken out of context? I’m sorry Stan, but whatever the context may be, I don’t think this makes him a “pompous ass” at all. He’s the core of the team. Everyone knows that. What coach would intentionally leave out a key player for 12 games? And it’s not like Nash was there bragging and saying there was no way they could do it without him. He simply said “probably” which is what I think any confident, key player on a team would say.

by Carrie on Aug 30, 2008 1:07 PM MDT   0 recs

I don't get it.

How is this pompous (not to mention who rests a superstar 12 games?)

Steve Nash is the most productive player on the team and has been for the past four years. For him to miss 12 entire games, when our backup PGs are two rookies, would be horrible. Without Nash, we’d be fortunate to make the playoffs.

The same is true for Amare. We don’t have good backups for these people. We can lose swingmen or Shaq, since he isn’t as uber-productive and Amare and Nash.

But if we lose either of those two, then it is not good and hovering around .500 would be all that we could hope for. And remember it was only a 5 game difference between making the playoffs and being at home, so hoping for .500 ball doesn’t seem like a good idea, especially since there doesn’t seem to be any reason we can think that the Suns are Spurs kind of team that can coast into the playoffs and “turn it on.” We need every advantage we can get and so every regular season game matters.

What Nash said is true and I don’t see why honesty is pompous.

Purchasing my Dragic jersey

by rosewood on Aug 30, 2008 1:09 PM MDT   0 recs

When I first read it, I took it in kind of the opposite way.

I thought it was sort of a humble answer. He’s not sure that the team, as a whole, will be good enough that they can let up, by resting him, and still be in a good spot for the playoffs.

I obviously could be wrong, but that’s how I took it.

by brian13 on Aug 30, 2008 2:22 PM MDT   0 recs

Truth hurts (redux)

I have to echo what the other comments to this post have already stated. Nash isn’t stating anything that isn’t the truth (we aren’t anywhere near the same team without him since he’s been here). When I first heard the plan to sit Nash for up to 12 games I reacted the same way he seems to be in the article. It would be nice but probably not realistic. Limit his minutes sure but to sit him for 12 entire games when the west is so competitive I don’t see that. Hey, maybe Goran will live up to the hype faster than expected and this strategy may have some hope of succeeding but until that happens (and I’m not holding my breath on it) I think Nash is absolutely correct with his statement weather we like it or not.

by Dunk it Boris on Aug 30, 2008 3:37 PM MDT   0 recs

Not to pile on....

… But I am absolutely going to pile on. What self-respecting 2-time MVP is going to say that his team can live without him for 15% of the season? Could you imagine those words ever leaving Jordan’s lips? Duncan’s? Malone’s? Bird’s? I

The idea of resting a player of his caliber for 12 entire games is ludicrous. It’s a nice thought, given his age and back, but the Suns in their current incarnation have not demonstrated they have the firepower or savvy to do without Nash for 576 minutes this season, especially given the competitive state of their conference.

So I’m not sure exactly who Steve Nash insults by stating this team is not quite ready for prime time without him. Sean Singletary and Goran Dragic, his two rookie back-ups? Amare Stoudemire, without whom the team has made a playoff run, but who has never had to shoulder the load without Nash? Terry Porter, an inexperienced head coach with one playoff season and one sub-.500 season under his belt in Milwaukee? Steve Kerr, whose idea of franchise leadership is to bet the house on a $20 mil a year has-been, an unproven Euro, and Sideshow Bob?

There’s nothing in that quote that indicates Nash was anything other than blunt (and coincidentally) correct about the situation. Given his years of humility and otherwise astounding insight, I think it’s safe to say the guy was just being honest and not the pompous ass you’re making him out to be.

by Mike Lisboa on Aug 31, 2008 9:27 AM MDT   0 recs

You would have thought I called the President a moron or something

look, two points:

1) Most of you argue that Nash was right. Yes, he was right given history. But this is a new team and the only way to break our dependency on foreign point guards is to stop being dependent on foreign point guards (and by foreign I mean Canadian).

The Suns need to learn to play better without Nash and the only way to do that is to play without Nash. I think the 12 game resting plan is a good goal.

And besides, we have no idea what Porter’s offense will be but there’s a darn good chance it will not be so dependent on the individual brilliance of Nash and his ability to lead the team to 25+ points per quarter.

The Porter Suns should be able to hold a lead without Nash and also operate efficiently in the half court using a more traditional low post offense and isolation oriented system feeding off Amare and possibly even Diaw and Tucker in the post.

Of course Nash is the best option but you simply can’t ignore the need to develop a more balanced attack and to rest him for the playoff’s.

2) Even if he’s right and you all are right that the team probably can’t afford to sit him for 12 games it was a poor comment on his part. This is a team sport and especially because he has young players behind him the leadership-y thing to say would have been more like “I love to play and always want to play but we have a lot of talent on this team and we aren’t just dependent on any one player.”

His comment was overly focused on himself and that’s not the kind of leadership and style we’ve grown to expect from Nash. I would bet my Prius that he would take that comment back if he could.

by Phoenix Stan on Aug 31, 2008 10:37 AM MDT   0 recs

and no

Steve Nash is not a pompous ass. This one comment was pompous ass-like.

I learned to write headlines by watching Fox News.

by Phoenix Stan on Aug 31, 2008 10:39 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe, maybe not

You do have a point on the “leadership-y” thing to say. That said, give me a break!

First off, you can’t argue that the “new” team can hold its own without Nash until it actually proves it can hold its own without Nash. Sure there’s going to be a new coach and presumably a new system, but before all that new stuff even gets to training camp, can anyone even say for a fact what the offense will look like? Until then, I think it’s perfectly reasonable for Nash or anyone else to speculate that sitting for 12 games a guy the team has absolutely, positively not been able to play without is equivalent to spotting the rest of the Western Conference 9 games in the loss column.

Could Nash have been more diplomatic in his response? Sure. As you said, usually he is. But it’s obvious from reading the rest of the article that the reporter caught him at a time when he was really, really not in the mood for an interview, and clearly in a hurry to get home to his family or wherever he was going. It sounds like he just didn’t take the time to think up a more Phoenix Stan-friendly response, and instead merely spoke the truth as it has clearly been up to this point. If he starts making these types of comments routinely like certain other players on the team, then we can break out the “pompous” label. Until that happens, I’m letting this one slide.

by TexSUN on Aug 31, 2008 11:51 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I doubt

that Nash has even given this comment a second thought so you might not want to bet your car just yet. I still don’t get how his comment was pompous. Yes, we want other players to contribute to the team as well and Nash won’t be around for forever, but to rest him for 12 games is ridiculous. Porter would be a fool not to rely on Nash.

by Carrie on Aug 31, 2008 1:46 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Geography

The utter lack of knowledge about geography here is appaling. Canada is not “foreign,” it is a state of the US.

by RealTangiblesGuy on Aug 31, 2008 4:38 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

You'd be right if...

you had called the president a moron. As an aside, he’s also a pompous ass. Steve Nash? Not so much. If someone asked Amare, or Kobe, or Duncan, or Chris Paul the same question, I’d guess we would hear the same thing—my team needs me, the west is tough, we might be ok but probably not, blah-blah-blah cakes. I’m not seeing an issue here.

by SoCalSun on Sep 2, 2008 1:39 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Nash speaks the truth.

If we rest him for 12 games, we’ll lose ~7 of them. A better plan would just be giving him 20-25 mpg.

Pompous? Please.

by rsavaj on Aug 31, 2008 1:06 PM MDT   0 recs

Awesome

The Suns and Suns fans are now convinced that the best way to push the team forward to a championship is to bench our best player.

Just like all the other great teams did: Remember when they benched Duncan? Shaq? Wade? Jordan? Bird? Magic? 12, 20 games at a time so they could learn to play without their superstars.

Oh, wait. That never happened. Ever. Because it’s a stupid idea.

Purchasing my Dragic jersey

by rosewood on Aug 31, 2008 1:45 PM MDT   0 recs

Let's check the tape

Duncan sat 16 games in 04-05 and they won the ring. Shaq missed 23 games the year Miami won and 15 for his last ring in LA. KG missed 11 last year. These teams managed to win without their super star.

These guys were injured which is different then just benching to get rest but come on. How many games did Nash play over the past few years that he easily could and should have sat out due to nagging injuries to his shoulder and back?

The point of resting Nash 12 games isn’t (I assume) literal as if there’s a pitch count on his arm. They are saying – and I totally agree – that some of those games that he played in over the past few years when he was injured, in the coming year he will sit out and recover.

And again – isn’t it clear by now that Nash alone can’t lead this team to a title? Didn’t you all see how poorly he played against the Spurs last year? The team needs more balance, more depth and better D.

The team and Nash needs to be smart about pacing himself through the season AND using the bench and a more defensive focus to play well without him.

Think of it this way. We are all excited (most of us anyway) about the new emphasis on D. We all know that D is not where Steve is going to really help the team. So why shouldn’t they be able to play better without him then in past years?

Will they score as much? No. But they should also be able to hold teams to under 90 more consistently and frankly have a better chance of doing that w/ Dragic on the floor then with Steve.

This isn’t 04-05 and Nash isn’t even the best player on the team any more.

by Phoenix Stan on Aug 31, 2008 3:17 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

It would be an interesting poll...

“Who is the best player on the Suns?”

I, for one, still think Nash makes this team go. Amare is wonderful, but I don’t think that he’s ready to carry the team like Nash has.

by rsavaj on Aug 31, 2008 4:35 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

If Steve is

injured, sit him down. Fine.

But do not compare players sitting with torn stomach muscles and broken feet to the prospective and cautionary benching of Nash.

No team just sits its superstar to make sure he’s rested unless playoff seeding has already been rapped up.

Also another thing: Boston last year, Miami 05-06, Spurs 04-05, were all serious championship contenders. We are not that good. There are at least six teams that have more depth and play better defense than we do/can (SA, Boston, New Orleans, Lakers, Utah, Detroit/Houston [take your pick]) and we could easily miss the playoffs. Those other teams, from the past, were much better than we are.

So if what you’re really saying is “why not go for it since we can’t win a championship anyway?” then I’m better with that. But just come out and say that. Don’t speak as though sitting one of your two best players for “rest” is in anyway helpful to winning a championship.

Also last: we do need better D. But we need Nash playing that better D if we’re going to contend. If we have to have Nash off the floor to play better D then we’re not going to win anything. So I’d say we need Nash on the floor more than ever so our best players can learn to play defense as a unit.

Purchasing my Dragic jersey

by rosewood on Aug 31, 2008 4:44 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Stan,

Do you really believe this, or are you just saying all this for the sake of argument? I’m just curious.

by Carrie on Aug 31, 2008 4:49 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

The latter...

…I’m guessing. But what the heck. Whatever livens up an otherwise boring weekend. :)

by TexSUN on Aug 31, 2008 5:21 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

OK, I'm bored so here goes...

First off, the best player on the team is Amare. Why? Because Amare said so. Several times. Every chance he gets, in fact. The team is “built around” Amare. We all know that. Or at least Amare knows that. Never mind that the Suns went to the Western Conference Finals a couple of years ago without him. Amare is “the man”.

Seriously, I think had Amare made a statement like the one Nash made, and someone called him out on it, I strongly suspect that Stan would be leading the pack to defend him with phrases like “sure, Amare has an ego, but we like him that way and besides he always follows through on his bragging”. But that is another discussion…

I’m not sure how this got to be about Steve playing too much while injured. The Suns are talking about resting him even when healthy, right? I doubt there’s a player in the league that would truly be “OK” with that, and if Nash had said “sure, no problem”, we’d all be wondering if perhaps he’d lost that competitive drive that makes him so great.

But back to the playing hurt thing. This is really a tough one, because on one hand, yeah, he probably pushes it too much when he’s hurting. But really, when is Steve ever not hurting"? He has a chronic back condition. As I understand it, he’s never going to be 100%, just healthier at times relative to other times. I’m just guessing, of course, but I suspect he has a mentality that feels like he’s obligated to play if he in any way can. Like someone who’s tempted to take a day off work because they have a headache, but whose conscious says to take an aspirin and suck it up.

Besides, do we really want Nash to pull a Shaq, laze around in the regular season, and only turn it on for the playoffs? I, for one, have always admired people who give their best at all times, not just when the spotlight is brightest.

by TexSUN on Aug 31, 2008 5:12 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh and about...

..Nash not being able to lead the team to a title, I believe a certain impulse decision by your “saint” might have had something to do with them not getting there in 2006-07. Besides, there’s not a player in the league that can lead their team to a championship “alone”.

by TexSUN on Aug 31, 2008 5:17 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Truth hurts!

I have zero context in what context that comment was spoken, but it’s probably true.

How ’bout 11 games?

That Step-Brothers spoof is hysterical!

---sunnie

by Sunnie on Sep 2, 2008 6:55 PM MDT   0 recs

Nash is the best player on this team.

He moves this team.
 I agree with his statement. I guess the Suns can afford to give 12 games away this year since they will be so strong. Jeez we are looking at a 52-30 season and the Suns want to sit there best player.
 When Nash leaves and retires we will see Amare’s numbers decrease.
 If Amare puts in the work, and stops running his mouth “about putting the work in” he will be the best player.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Sep 3, 2008 3:19 PM MDT   0 recs

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