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Shaq's Suns Maul Mavs: 128 - 100

How'd you like that one Suns fans? It's about time we ran some one out of the building. Right? Can I get a hell yes up in here?

I know Dallas. You have lots of excuses. We know all about excuses here too. Tough game last night barely beating the Knicks (well done btw) and Dirk with a fever and then of course Mr. Fourth Quarter goes down in the third. What does he have now again? 22 points in 22 fourth quarters. I'm not from Texas but I believe that comes to 1 pt per fourth quarter. Production like that was sorely missed.

If you think I am being a bit tough on the Mavs fans and a bit unsportsmanlike just head over to this game thread Suns fans and enjoy the abuse dished out on your favorite players.

As for the game itself? What is there to say. Except for about the first 3 or 4 minutes, the Suns were on fire all night. Only red hot outside shooting from the Mavs in the first half kept it close. They were 7 for 11 from three at the half and finished 9 for 20.

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The Better Team

You don't expect blowouts or even victories over a team like Dallas every time but what you do see is that clearly the Suns are a better constructed team. In a 7 game series the Mavs inability to score in the paint will kill them while the Suns for all their struggles are simply dominating at the rim. Between Shaq and Amare in the post and then slashers like JRich, LB, Hill and Barnes the Suns are going to be a very difficult team to defend.

Suns D

The Suns defense meanwhile is slowly improving (we really can't say too much about it tonight since Dallas did play so poorly) and with the emergence of Lou as the second coming of Paul Milsap the bench is coming into form as well.

Bench Delivered

The 40-19 third quarter certainly put the game away, but the stretch that impressed me the most was at the end of the first and the early part of the second quarter with LB, JRich, Admunson, Lopez and Hill/Barnes.Those guys looked solid and really held the game steady while the starters rested (or hide from fou'l tr'oubl'e).

Lopez had a much better game and seemed more focused but also played with more poise and control. His rotations in the paint were great and he had 4 rebounds in 13 minutes and no fouls which is an improvement. He even showed some of his offensive moves in the fourth quarter. In a year or two people will be surprised by what he brings on that end of the floor. Don't be. He's got talent and in time will be able to show it.

Shaq's Team

Shaq of course was the real key. Starting the game the Suns wanted to get Amare going but when he got two quick fouls and the Suns were down 13 to 6 when the Suns started going inside to Shaq and the game fell into a groove on the offensive end. Most importantly, the Suns weathered with the Mavs hot shooting by rebounding and only giving up 5 turnovers. At the half the Suns were up something like 36 - 7 in points in the paint. 7 for 7 from the line doesn't hurt either thanks to Shaq's new finger tip grip on the ball.

Not Amare's Team

Amare on the other hand was again a disappointment on both ends. Silly fouls. Poor defense. He did of course get his dunks and he had a nice post up move against the 5'10" Berea but overall Amare was outplayed by his pony tailed understudy. You certainly didn't miss his presence while he was on the bench.

Still though, Amare is the key to how far the Suns will go this year. Riding Shaq and Nash is only going to go so far. To have any hope of advancing deep into the playoff's Amare is going to have to find a way to play like the super all-star he wants us to believe he is.

Trophy Time

Genius Point for Steve Kerr tonight. JRich, Hill, Barnes, Admundson and of course Shaq are all his guys. I would even add LB to that because if I were the GM he'd have been traded already.

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You Can Smell the Locker Room from Here

Here's the post game audio for both sides.

Grant is happy with the defense and will finally get some sleep. Nash is just happy with the win. Shaq will only be happy if this game gets bottled and used as a model for the rest of the season and come consistent. Shaq is happy though that he talked Coach Porter out of having practice tomorrow. Coach Shaq feels that the team is much better when they "don't bang twice".

From the Mavs side JET took his whooping like a man as did Coach Carlisle. No excuses from those guys. Josh Howard's wrist hurts unless he elevates it and he doesn't trust the Phoenix x-ray machines. huh?

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That was awesome!!

I listened to some on the radio in Dallas while taping it…It was really cool listening to the Mav’s radio announcers….I’ve always liked them…

They were talking up the Suns left and right….the biggest thing I heard him say he liked about this suns team is that it was 9 players deep instead of 6 or 7 like the suns of d’antoni days. D’antoni would never! never! play his bench like this…for all his offensive genius…he misses some key things…a little thing called defense…and of course that he has more than 6-7 players on his team.

Wow, Amundson has emerged over the last few games…and between Hill on defense and JRich on offense…and Shaq simply playing the best he’s played in 4-5 years easily….this was a beautiful game….I think those 2 1-point losses helped us.

Also…the best thing I heard on the tv broadcast….that this suns team was talking on defense…they weren’t used to hearing/seeing that!! I’ll say it again…those 2 close losses helped us…

On Amare, he made a great pass to amundson under the basket past 2 defenders…he did some other good things….I just get the feeling his time in Az is limited. He’s getting torn up by more and more people…(I know…I was one of them…I was doing it last yr)…not that I wanted him to play badly…

I think Porter deserves a lot of credit….also Kerr, this team has quickly become his with only 5 players from last yr on it…

On Lopez, on Dragic, they need a yr or 2 of playing in the nba, they’ll get there, as to how good they’ll be….who knows….

great stuff!!!!!!!!!!

by be-the-ball on Jan 10, 2009 1:05 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Word

I dont know about Kerr really getting a point for that, but I definately agree that if I was GM I would’ve traded LB as well. But it would have to be for somebody super specialcause LB would be a tough loss. Especially so when you consider that, along with Nash and Amare, has been with the team the longest (damn I miss Marion).

Amare: suffering from the “Wild Thing” disorder (Major League II). The stardom got to his game. He needs some kind of wake-up call. How about benching him a night or two and start Amundson in his place.

Amundson: Plays with more hustle than anybody else on that court. I man that truely loves the game and gives it everything he has. Once he developes a solid jumper, he’ll be a true baller. But the hustle has to be used to set an example to the rest of the team. Its not always about gettng a double-double, its about playing your ass off and giving it 110%.

Shaq: Keep up the good work

Tonight’s game was fantastic and demonstrated just how good these guys really are. And more so when you see that Amare still hasnt been playing like the Amare of old (which isnt old at all). If the bench keeps up the hustle an good play, Porter could really go way deep in there. Thats the biggest problem I had with D’antoni, he only went as deep as 8. Beating the Mavs tonight was the karma we need to get our heads in the right spot. I’m expecting this to carry over into the next game. Good call on Shaq for suggesting a no-practice. We know they can, but the problem is mental.

by KnowGood on Jan 10, 2009 1:23 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

don't take this the wrong way

but i would say….“just how good these guys can be” instead of really are…the really are part will come if they prove to be that…I sure hope they do…tonights team was a team that showed it could really be something great…Atlanta will be a better test

On D’antoni…I thought he really only went 6-7 deep, not 8.
nash
amare
bell
marion
hill
l.b.
diaw
(who am I missing that got significant minutes…not 5-7 minutes or less?)

thanks…and with an injury or two, and playing that style…I have to say

It’s not really 7-8 vs 8-9
I’d say when you factor in the high paced style..that it’s more like
5-6 vs 8-9…

I can’t tell you how many times the suns would get ahead then blow it in the fourth quarter…and it was because they were out of steam and were thin on the bench…

by be-the-ball on Jan 10, 2009 1:54 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Those Guys On The Mavs Blog

Are hillarious I actually sat there and read all 800 comments in there gameday thread, It’s kind of funny to read though because I used to make those kind of excuses about us.

by Wichita SunSteeler on Jan 10, 2009 2:19 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Oh

and loved phoenix stans “teabag” comment.

by Wichita SunSteeler on Jan 10, 2009 2:19 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

oh lets pretend

you guys werent making excuses a few days ago and every other loss…. i guess one win cures all! suns nba champs in 09!

"I may not be a class act, but I'm an American."
-- Ron Artest on wanting to play for the Olympic team

by zkmavz on Jan 10, 2009 9:11 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

yikes!!

I bet your fun to hang out with….

by be-the-ball on Jan 10, 2009 10:36 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

A win cures that ass cancer very nicely, thank you.

by Azreous on Jan 10, 2009 12:19 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

you want to know what i love about this game?

its nash’s stat line: 9 pts on 9 shots (subpar), but more importantly, 12 assists and get this…. TWO STEALS and ZERO TURNOVERS. although kidd did have a field day with nash, 6 out of 9 shots, 3 out of 3 from outside, 1 turnover only, i love that mr mvp is finally adjusting to the system.

by ryansunsfan on Jan 10, 2009 3:21 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Finally!

I called for a Hell Yes after a big win on only one of you came through. Disappointing effort people.

by Phoenix Stan on Jan 10, 2009 8:02 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Solid

LB is the deal I would not trade him unless a No. 1 pick is in the deal.
Great hustle, ball movement, and energy.
Keep it up guys, you could surprise in the West.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Jan 10, 2009 4:40 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Thats what i’ve said last time for Nash games. If he can manage to adjust right to Shaq brand of play, they there will be a good results. Now Defense is paying off. Hope you guys win more and BEAT FAKERS :P

My Celtics is in losing streak though :(
Good win for all you Suns Fans!!

by spoiled on Jan 10, 2009 5:56 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Rotations

I’ve been really tough on Porter about his erratic rotations but he really did a good job in this game. He seemed to have an offensive plan since the tip off. Plan A was to go with Amar’e early (Like Stan said), that didn’t work out and he went to Shaq and he delivered. Great contributions from Lou (isn’t this guy great?) Barnes and the rest of the crew.
Memorable moment? Barbosa’s block! Did you see that guy flying?!! very similar to what Lebron did to the Celtics on the previous game.

How about “sober” J-Rich? and “old man” Grant?!

Nash played great, everyone seemed to be having so much fun. This is the type of basketball we expect from you guys every night. Every. Night.

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Jan 10, 2009 7:39 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

"sober" J-Rich

The high school kid that sits next me at games (we both have the Stat Pack 11-game package) said he thought he hear a few chants of DUI when J-Rich was shooting free throws. Shortly thereafter J-Rich came back to that end with the windmill dunk, maybe to say “F” you to those people.

by TwinnerA on Jan 10, 2009 3:28 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Phx crowds have

really improved over the past 5 yrs or so…much more feisty then typical AZ laid back crowds of the past

by Phoenix Stan on Jan 10, 2009 5:00 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I like JRich...

I’m excited he’s a Phoenix Sun, but I’ve never made the assumption that any athlete is automatically a role model…many people do…for some silly reason…

On JRich….like I said…I like him, but he might partially deserve those chants, I wouldn’t do it…because what he does on the court and off are 2 different things…but…I can’t honestly defend the guy…

Has he had problems like this before?

by be-the-ball on Jan 11, 2009 12:32 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

JRich post up

One thing I forgot to mention was Jason’s play in the 3rd and specifically his ability to take advantage of Terry in the post.

Against certain teams that’s going to be a very important weapon. Imagine for example the Bobcats w/ Felton and DJA in the backcourt? Or Ben Gordon. Or…well I can’t actually think of a lot of undersize scoring two guards like Terry anymore. There used to be more of those guys.

Anyway – he’s certainly another powerful weapon to have if teams are going to try and load up on our bigs.

BUT – as cool as that windmill breakaway dunk was (or the 360 dunk the other day) at some point he’s going to blow one of those and look foolish. I would rather he not do that. Just slam the ball home Jason and take your two points.

by Phoenix Stan on Jan 10, 2009 8:07 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Yup

That was also a great idea by Porter. There was no way that Terry was going to stop J-rich in the post. Also Porter threw different bodies at Dirk: Grant, Barbosa, Matt, Lou and even called the double team several times. Let me tell you Stan, I’m VERY impressed with Porter’s coaching last night.

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Jan 10, 2009 8:37 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

See

and you were ready to trade him a few weeks ago :)

by Phoenix Stan on Jan 10, 2009 9:09 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

haha

I’ve been known to have mood swings, but it never came to that.
I guess I’ve always felt that good coaches are the ones that are able to adjust during the game, if plan A doesn’t work you go to plan B and so forth. I hadn’t seen that from Porter until last night.

Erratic rotations affect the game, take good players out of rhythm and causes confusion which equals turnovers. Maybe if Porter gets his rotations straight (like last night) we’ll start getting those turnovers down. Having LB and Nash on the floor at the same time proved to be really effective, other example of good coaching was that as soon as the team started to show lack of energy, he put Lou in.

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Jan 10, 2009 11:31 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

It was a really fun game

We got off to a slow start, but then Shaq took over. We did a terrible job gaurding the three point line, but luckily for us the Mavs cooled in the second half. Besides that it was a clinic. Get together this game’s highlights and fundamental plays and send it to Stat so he can produce it.

I was dissapointed JRich only made number 5 on the top dunks on ESPN. Number six from the rookie was better than 2, 3, and 4. Number 1 though was just ridiculous. Way to go for the college player. I guess you’ve really got to do something no one has seen before, otherwise it’s a list of “name” starting at the top. Was Barnes a quarterback in his high school days?

Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.

by SunDolphin on Jan 10, 2009 8:12 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Kid was open on purpose

The Suns had a plan to leave Kid and double Dirk and not let him get hot. Considering how poor J Kidd normally shoots its a solid game plan. He was hitting them early but there’s no way they were going to continue shooting at that rate.

I can live with that – especially early. Make him prove he can make them first then stay home.

by Phoenix Stan on Jan 10, 2009 8:15 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

you guys sounds surprised

if the suns didnt take care of business last night, then you guys would have major probs… like i said… we didnt expect to be in this one…

yall have a great day!

"I may not be a class act, but I'm an American."
-- Ron Artest on wanting to play for the Olympic team

by zkmavz on Jan 10, 2009 9:13 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

hell yes we're surprised...

no excuses…fact…the suns have been having some 20+ turnover games, losing games by a point that we should’ve been winning by 10….playing horrible team defense…not communicating on switches..important to note…this isn’t some fan just saying should’ve would’ve stuff…this is seeing that nba teams avg between 11-15 turnovers a game, and we were way above that…often…

So, to come out and have so few turnovers and talk on defense….that’s something to get excited about…this is not the same team from a month ago, or even 2 weeks ago…It’s an encouraging step…hopefully the first of many

But, I think we knew that Dallas wasn’t a top 2 or top 3 team currently, having diop and dampier get paid so much and produce so little…you need to dump them if at all possible…part of our turn around was dumping diaw / banks recently….grossly overpaid.

by be-the-ball on Jan 10, 2009 10:42 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Brightest Spot

Sweet Lou shot 40% from the line. With stats like that, the Suns are unstoppable

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Jan 10, 2009 10:01 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

true story

"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness

by Turambar on Jan 10, 2009 10:04 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

hey

ease up…I’m sure once he gets more and more playing time, practices with nash, reads more, eats his vitamins, is kind to his wife and children, donates money to charities…he’ll get up to 45%…maybe :-)

Still, his energy is contagious, if Amare had that type of hustle…he’d be right there with lebron and kobe, but…that’s the thing…amare doesn’t have that in him, he’s too worried about rep and image…what a joke he’s become

by be-the-ball on Jan 10, 2009 10:45 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

energy comments

Is it just me or is there meaning in both Shaq and Nash comments regarding energy. Nash saying one of the reasons they lost to Indiana was because of tired legs, and they could sustain the efffort against Dallas because they were fresh, and Shaq saying they won because they were fresh and calling for a day off Saturday.

by dCoye on Jan 10, 2009 11:13 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Great point

I wondered that myself….if the vets were saying that the team practiced too much

by Phoenix Stan on Jan 10, 2009 11:42 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

i don't think practice is such a bad thing

it’s just with our main players being really old…I agree…it’s good to call off some practices here and there

by be-the-ball on Jan 10, 2009 12:00 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Grassy Knoll Theory

Maybe Porter practiced then so hard prior to the Indiana game, that Shaq came down with “back spasms” and Nash came down with “the flu”, and the team in general shot bricks because they were spent. It wasn’t until Friday, when they were refreshed, that the heavy practice paid dividends

by dCoye on Jan 10, 2009 1:21 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Possible

They didn’t practice on Thur. Just had a long film session and walk through.

by Phoenix Stan on Jan 10, 2009 1:37 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

whatever the case...

you have to like 2 things among many others

1. That Porter is resting shaq for entire games
2. That Shaq is going along with this

If D’antoni only went 6-7 players deep, I can’t see him ever resting his best player like this, he burned Nash out..

I’m willing to keep resting shaq every back night to night, or whatever their (coach porter’s) strategy is….because it’s working!!

I’ll be the first to say it….could we go from having an nfl and nba team never having won a title to having both win this year? It’s not as far fetched as I would’ve thought a month ago. Great job Card’s!!

by be-the-ball on Jan 11, 2009 12:39 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

HELL YES!!

That was good to watch.

Especially against the Mavericks.

J-Rich looked very comfortable in the offense last night, and what a sick windmill dunk!!!!

by dang on Jan 10, 2009 3:10 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

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