Suns get clawed as they set into the moutains of cliches
This Bright Side of the Sun blog was named by someone else. He's a very positive person and the kind of Sun's fan that even after games like this finds something nice to say. He never turns on his team and now that he's got his dream job the keys to this blog ended up in my hands.
I am not an optimistic person. I am sarcastic and generally will see the negative side of things before the positive. I am George Castanza with hair and 6 more inches (of height).
But after a(nother) horrible outing by the Suns in which they failed to compete, I am going to go to a happy place and list the bright sides of this game.
Why? Because there's nothing negative about this game or the way this team is playing right now that you haven't already heard, read or thought. So why pile on at this point.
Here we go. The positive things about this game:
- I didn't have to watch the entire game which let me get down and boggie Friday Night Lights style
- Nazr Mohammed picked up 4 fouls in 4 minutes - that was kind of cool
- Sean Singletary. He's a nice kid
- Suns held an opponent to under 100
- The Bobcats had to wear those dorky checker flag Nascar uniforms
- Puking up dinner helped my diet
- It can't get worse (that's a lie of course)
- It was very easy to figure out the winner in the Guess the Score Contest since only one reader picked the Bobcats to win
- Ben's lawn mower was broken
- Maybe Amare will realize that he's undeserving of the all-star votes and....oh forget it
- Tucker and Dragic both played 9:34 and were each a +10
- Amare did lead the team in rebounding with 9. Way to step up Amare
- Boris Diaw had 26 points and 11 rebounds against his old team but was 1 assist away from getting the Full French (google it)
- Dave and his fellow Bobcats fans at Rufus on Fire deserve something to cheer about because their team has sucked for so long and Charlotte has a lot of bank headquarters jobs and banks are the only thing sucking worse then the Suns right now
- Juwan Howard missed a wide open 17 footer at the end of the 1st half or it would have been 61 - 37
- Shaq leveling Wallace after he threw Hill to the ground on the previous play
- Shaq scoring the Suns first 12 points of the second quarter to cut the lead to 7 with 5:43 to go in the half
- Bell was a +33. Boris was a +34 but those weren't the Bobcat's leaders. Felton was a +35
- The Suns Gorilla Game is cuter then yours
There's always a bright side if you stare at the sun long enough even if it does make your eyes burn and leave you blind.
Box Score * Rufus on Fire * Game Quotes
The turning point...
The Suns started the game cold on the offensive end but at least managed to hold the Bobcats to 21 points in the first quarter.
They kept the second quarter close while Nash and Amare rested by riding Shaq for their first 12 points including 6 of 7 at the line. The lead was down to a manageable 27 to 34 with 5:43 left in the half when the Bobcats when on a 9 - 0 run to put the Suns away. Here's what happened during that stretch:
- Amare fell asleep on defense watching the ball on the wing while Boris floated out to the three point line for a wide open 3. Bobcats up 37 - 27
- Wallace grabs Hill coming around a Shaq screen and held him up so he could get the steal and finishes with the dunk on the other end. Bobcats up 40 - 27
- Grant Hill gets a T arguing the non-call. Bobcats up 41 - 27
- Diaw does a GREAT job defending the high pick and roll and forces Amare to miss a contested 18 footer
- Bell hits a wide open 3 as JRich cheats off to double Okafor on the lane who was matched up on Hill after a nifty screen by Wallace forced a switch. Bobcats up 44 - 27
- For the next few minutes the Suns outscored the cats by 1 making the score 34 - 50 with 1:29 to go. Wallace then hits a pair of three's and Diaw get's an old fashion three point play to score 9 quick points at the end of the half
The Suns D is designed right now to give up jump shots and prevent penetration. The idea is that the Suns are going to score enough points in the paint at a higher percentage that they will win most game.
However, with the Bobcats shooting well on one end and their hustle D forcing the Suns to turn the ball over and missing everything on the other there really wasn't any other possible outcome. That was the worst sentence I've written a long time. It's so bad I am going to leave it.
I didn't watch enough of this game to say if the effort was horrible. I didn't think that it was bad during that end stretch of the first half but clearly this is a team that's not playing with the same level energy as they were a few weeks ago.
Long road trip or no, the Western Conference is too unforgiving to allow this kind of let down.
You know the score
Steve Kerr. You get two Moron Points for this one. One for Raja who's playing well for the Bobcats and one for Boris who's playing even better.
Everyone loved this trade when it happened but I wonder if many of you are thinking we traded the wrong power forward.
[Note by Phoenix Stan, 01/23/09 10:18 PM PST ]
Nash's back problems apparently are back:
“I tried to fight through the back pain tonight but it was tough. I probably should have taken myself out earlier. Hopefully that wasn’t the wrong decision. It’s a struggle right now. I wouldn’t say I had back spasms, but it was locking up. It was more of a shooting pain at times.”
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btw
we are in the midseason point already (41 games) and guess what? the suns are the odd man out, a game behind dallas for the 8th seat. do we need to rebuild now? i would think so. think about it. we will probably not make the playoffs, and get a 14th pick (finishing with the best record for a team that did not make the playoffs). lets just trade amare for a couple of first rounders, we finish with a lower record and get a higher first round pick. lets throw this season away and salvage our future.
by ryansunsfan on Jan 23, 2009 9:47 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Amare
Maybe his confidence has been down? Maybe we can send him to the D-leaque and let him average 50 and 20 for two weeks.
Seriously, Amare can sort of shoot the 3 right? Can we use him like Okur?
I just feel that, as it is, it’s not gonna work.
And I also don’t like the fact that every time he has a half decent game, he has to talk it up. If Tim Duncan got 31 and 6, the only thing that’d sort of stand out is that he only got 6 rebounds. And that’s already Amare’s Gorilla game.
by gadogry on Jan 23, 2009 10:04 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
By the way
This is a great post. As always. Funny and informative is the way I like it.
And… if Kerr is getting 2 moron points, should the red hand goes ALL the way to the left?
by gadogry on Jan 23, 2009 10:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
but I didn’t feel like doing any graphics work and I am already catching hell from Mrs Stan for spending too much time on the computer.
and thanks
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by Phoenix Stan on Jan 23, 2009 11:21 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I have the ability to find the good in everything. What I find good about this is that it forces Kerr’s Hand. I believe Kerr can, with time, build a champion. I believe in our youth movement, in Dragic and Lopez and Tucker, even though many fans don’t believe in two out of those three at all. I think you can build a team around these three players, or at least two of them (certainly Lopez and Tucker, not sure about Dragic).
To repeat, or to beat a dead horse, if you will, we were never going to win a championship with D’antoni’s style. Who ever has? You win with defense. We must build with defense. But there is only one way that you can rebuild: by having to. If we’d continue to win 50+ games a year, make the playoffs, even get kicked out in round one or two, it would be very difficult to rebuild. it’s hard to trade away stars on a winning team. But if you suck awful, then it’s easier, even if it’s still hard.
So we need to start now, and in a way, we already have. We’ve got an extra 2nd rounder from the Bobcats, which we can use to bring another young player to the team. We need to continue by shopping Amare (but not pulling the trigger unless the deal is just spectactular…like trading him for Kobe or Lebron or Durant). There are many players who are defensive minded and can shoot well. We need to get them. Same goes with defenders who can pass, defenders who can rebound, defenders who play with intensity.
This is the beginning of the future, not the end of an era. That “era” ended with Nash being hip checked into the stands. That was a long time ago, and since then we’ve been living in a dream where we can fly and run around in our underwear without getting into trouble. It’s time to wake up. We have a lot to look forward to, if only we can be patient.
Be the Phoenix
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
by SunDolphin on Jan 23, 2009 10:55 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Add a second rounder for youth
Do you understand how many 2nd rounders make the NBA?. Maybe 1 to 2 second rounders a year make it in the league and are not that valuable.
And if the Suns are going to build on Lopez, Tucker and Dragic, good luck. That has 34-48 all over it.
And if you think Amare could bring Kobe, LeBron or Durant, you are smoking some good weed.
Amare is not even a top ten forward in the league anymore.
Be patient, and wait for what? Amare is the only chip that could bring a 1st rounder back, and a good player, and no not a top ten player in the League.
The time is now to act.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Jan 24, 2009 6:13 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d take 34-48, have you seen what Oklahoma City has been doing with their young superstar?
Not many second rounders make it in the NBA, I’ll give you that, but there are sleepers in every draft and if Kerr uses his head he can find a usable player. And let’s not go into how many first round picks never make it. Let’s just say drafting players is a fickle business.
And I guess if we can’t get Kobe or Durant for Stat, then we’ll just have to keep him. He’s not a bad player by any stretch of the imagination. If we can get younger and successfully rebuild, Stat may just become an important piece to the puzzle. You never know.
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
by SunDolphin on Jan 24, 2009 9:01 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Building around Amare would be exceedingly difficult.
You’d need to find a PG that can make him effective; a Center that can rebound and defend competently, since Amare won’t; shooters to spread the floor….I mean, that’s one heck of a task. His game is just not suited to being the main guy.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Jan 24, 2009 9:04 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I know
Building around Amare would be the dumbest thing in the world and I would absolutely not do it. It’sjust that if we build around a core of solid young players, having him on the team may not be a bad thing. He can add to us what he does best….score….while everyone else picks up the defensive slack. And maybe if he’s surrounded by guys who want to play D, then Stat might too. We tend to pick up the habits of those we’re around most.
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
by SunDolphin on Jan 24, 2009 9:09 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Okla City
has two players we could not get, Westbrook and Durant. They would not part with either one of those even if we offer Stat and J. Rich, that is what this franchise has become.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Jan 24, 2009 9:33 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
would you trade them for Stat? I wouldn’t. I’d rather be 9 and whatever than have what we have now. They’ve got the future. We’ve got………………………………..what do we have?
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
by SunDolphin on Jan 24, 2009 9:40 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I would make that deal
so fast my head would spin off, Durant and Westbrook for Amare, goodness a steal, just like the Lakers got Gasol.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Jan 24, 2009 5:45 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
lol, but if you were working for Oklahoma? Of course I’d take it as a Suns fan. It’d be a way bigger steal than the Gasol trade, in my opinion.
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
by SunDolphin on Jan 24, 2009 6:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Houston's Charles, Drexler, and Hakeem era
I’m not sure if the Rockets at that time is a good analogy for the Suns today given that we haven’t won any championship yet.
I haven’t given up yet . Good basketball from Boris and Bell.
by Azrael on Jan 23, 2009 11:02 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Everyone loved the trade?
Not true man:
http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2008/12/10/688924/kerr-pushes-the-panic-trad
http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2008/12/10/689021/questions-for-steve-kerr
http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2008/12/11/689473/steve-kerr-s-itchy-trigger
Some of us didn’t buy into the FO’s spin.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Jan 24, 2009 12:29 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Wow...just Wow
time to face facts friends how “superstar” Amare Slackermire has hit the ceiling…trade the guy while we still can for something…and I don’t mean any of that “protected” first rounder picks…get a deal with 2 unprotected picks and a big that may not be high on talent, but carries a hard hat and a lunch box to work..you know a big thats gonna play hard ALL THE TIME…look at David West and Paul Millsaps, these guys play hard everytime they step on the court unlike Amare who has FAR superior physical skills. I really hate people that have talent but zero heart…
by ron_dasun on Jan 24, 2009 2:02 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Honestly I think it’s time for change. Not to panic for a defeat. It’s the way the team plays. It’s impossible for players with so much talent do so badly. It’s time to trade Nash, Amare, Barbosa and rebuild. Give season lost and get a good pick in the draft. Able to use the trade to get another good picks in the draft. It’s also time to change Porter; he hasn’t demonstrated the ability to lead the team. And why not? GM also. Start a reconstruction with players as Granger (Pacers), Josh Howard, Calderon, Bosh, Westbrook, Durant, Jamaal Crawford, Kaman, Okur, Przybila etc. etc. etc.
Continue to believe that this is a good team is an error.
by matrix7 on Jan 24, 2009 2:52 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
i would gladly trade amare
for two first rounders and nothing else.
by ryansunsfan on Jan 24, 2009 3:32 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
That would be a hell of a deal, especially if we could get it from a cellar team.
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
by SunDolphin on Jan 24, 2009 9:04 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Suns are the worst team in basketball…right now….This team sucks…There has to be a bunch of behind the scene drama, this reeks of a unhappy clubhouse….The system is not bringing out the best in these players both emotionally and physically.
by cabezonication on Jan 24, 2009 3:36 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I would trade Amar’e any day, if its Bosh i could get in return + a draft pick.
or otherwise jefferson from Timverwolves.
by spoiled on Jan 24, 2009 4:34 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know a great deal about the tactics and terms of basketball but I do know a great deal about management.
To date Kerr has approached the job in the way I would have. The suns were a very good team when he took over but they were not going to get better as they stood, they were aging and they had no young players that were ready.
so
He got rid of a bad contract and a bad attitude (which was only going to get worse) and got a good player who adds some much needed mental strenght.
He gets a coach that will play the way he wants and spends the first couple of months with the new system to see if the remaining players can or will play this way. Many don’t buy into the system so he has elements of the previous system re-introduced since he still has a team that might make some noise in the playoffs. This experiment did not eliminate more bad attitude.
He trades more bad attitude and a not so good contract for a very good player who also is very marketable.
now I think
He runs Nash Hill Shaq Amare and Richardson into the ground aiming for the playoffs…..this is a short term solution as most of this group cannot play the way he wants and in another year they will be finished or gone. If these guys start showing that they may not make it to post season he then starts playing the young guys alot more to see what he really has while listening to all trades. He does not blow it up… this creates a fire sale mentality bad for both team continuity and trade talks. He makes one trade not a big one unless it is too good to turn down….he looks for toughness and mental strenght or draft picks ….he does not necessarily trade like for like. He makes another at the draft if there is something available or if he can move up
He does not act like a twat at the draft like he did last year.
This is not a bad team and the idea is to re-build and not lose any more ground to the rest of the league.
by overthere on Jan 24, 2009 5:48 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I respectfully disagree
with folks that want to stand pat with this team.
Hill is what 36, Nash 36, Shaq 37. Shaq will be here next year, only becasue of the contract, Nash will be here one more year, and Hill who knows. All 3 are at the end of the line. Sadly these 3 bust there ass more than the rest of the team. It is just sad to see every point guard under 25 run right by Nash.
J Rich is solid Offensively, and can’t guard anyone. LB is a good player. The rest of the squad is role players. ( Sorry all you Lopez and Tucker fans out there)
That leaves our anointed All Star, the only chip to trade. I can’t see shaping this team around Amare, that would be a huge mistake. Amare contract runs out after next year, it is time to move him now. If the Suns could get 2 first rounders, or a first rounder a good solid player, I would make the move.
This team is not going to make a run this year, and if they stand pat, if will be worse next year. Time to make a bold move.
But finally, to make that move is Sarver and Kerr and to some extent Porter. That has not been a good combination. I am usually a Half full guy, but these three men I do not trust to make the right move.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Jan 24, 2009 6:30 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
Either Amare deal you suggest is probably the deal I would do if it was available (as soon as possible). The young guys ….who knows but you gotta give them an extended run. They are worth nothing right now.
All you have is Richardson and Barbosa…so if you could move one at the draft for a choise and another body….along with the three old guys for the following year …continuity and re-build.
As for Kerr so far he has made the right moves…the next couple will be the big test.
Sarver I don’t know enough about but if he stays out of the process thats ok. I haven’t heard of him ripping D’Antoni’s GM moves?…thats ok too.
Porter is one of the young guys to me …an unkown
The big problem is/was the shift in direction and the age of the good players on the team…whether ssol is a winning style that is another discussion.
by overthere on Jan 24, 2009 8:07 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Head(less) case
Suns shot 36% and had 24 turnovers. in another D league performance, That means to me that for whatever reasons, right now, no one is capable of leading this team.
by dCoye on Jan 24, 2009 7:36 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Kerr needs to fire Porter before he destroys the roster any further.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Jan 24, 2009 8:34 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
The full french?
Am I missing something, or is this a BJ reference? I dont get it, can someone help me?
by passionforPERPS on Jan 24, 2009 12:17 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
Back in the day when the Boris enigma was a common topic around here we established the Full French (which does happen to have another meaning) as 15pts, 5 reb and 5 assists.
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