Saturday Swap Shop
by Seth Pollack on Jan 24, 2009 1:11 PM MST
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PrintThe trade Amare discussion is clearly on everyone's mind and rightly so.
So let's get down to business and get serious about what's really possible and what's pipe dream.
I will tell you right now that I think that it's highly unlikely the Suns could make a deal that makes them better THIS season so my vote is for standing pat and playing this thing out. I think the risk of doing a bad deal now is greater then the risk of waiting to see what happens and then make a deal in the summer.
But let's get the trade ideas on the table.
Go to ESPN's Trade Machine and put your deal together and assuming it works post it in the comments.
Respond to each other and use the "rec" feature to note the best deals and we will pick the top 3 or 5 and set up a poll and vote.
Here's the Trade Machine.
Happy GM'ing!
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ok I got one
Amare to Chicago for Deng, Gooden, Arron Gray and their #1
or
Amare to Detroit for Rasheed and Stuckey and a #2 pick
DET gets ripped off, they'll hang up the phone
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
That works
Here’s the trade.
I think Chicago is a good potential trade partner. I don’t like Deng though and his long contract.
I would rather see Gooden, Noah and Heinrich and the 1st round pick for Amare and Barnes. Here it is
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 24, 2009 1:30 PM MST up reply actions
I can’t imagine having both Lopez and Noah. No way. I think both will ultimately underachieve expectations.
by ArizonaCactus on Jan 24, 2009 1:58 PM MST up reply actions
Noah and Lopez
are the same. Can’t score a lick, horrible hair and get into foul trouble every freaking night.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
I agree with you about Deng
He’s being paid All-Star money, and has never been an all-star.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
I'm sorry Stan...
…I think this trade is ridiculous. If we traded for Joakim Noah, we’d have two Robin Lopezes on the team, not to mention the attitude problems one of them constantly has. Maybe I haven’t watched him enough, but what exactly can Drew Gooden do? This season, he’s only gotten about 8.6 rebounds per game (not exactly an upgrade from Amare), and his 13.1 ppg are sure to go down once he’s surrounded by a bunch of guys who can already score. Heinrich would be nice back-up pg, and the draft pick is alright, but probably won’t have an impact anytime soon. Overall, this would be nothing short of a steal for the Bulls, imho.
Yup
I don’t love it either BUT Gooden isn’t getting near the minutes that Amare is and he’s a decent mid-range shooting vet AND his contract expires anyway so its cap space.
Noah plays with a LOT of fire and while in theory he’s similar to Lopez (beyond hair) he’s better right now and more of a finesse player. I could see them both on the team in rotation at center when Shaq is gone and he’s only got two years left on his deal anyway.
Heinrich is the most problematic for me b/c he’s signed to big $ for a long time so that’s a long term commitment.
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 24, 2009 4:34 PM MST up reply actions
It helps us solve our massive woes with big man depth and PG depth
Giving up raw talent for depth. Sounds good to me. Amongst the trades mentioned, this really suits our purpose of giving up a play-like-crap talent for no-talent crap who at least play hard, like Drew Gooden and Noah, two guys with D-League talent but giving NBA production and performances. When I was younger and in the “Oooh wow that guy has insane vertical!! Wow 30 PPG he’s l33t!!!” phase, I really looked down on guys like Gooden and Noah. Now I understand that they are the foundation, the so called-grunts which the empire/team is built upon. Gay/Warrick sounds pretty good too but we’re already way overloaded at the wing spots. That would mean Barbarosa is defintiely going somewhere else.
Hate this trade, but it works on the trade machine
Suns send Nash and Stat to Philly for Andre Miller, Dalembert, and Ratliff.
How about
Amare to Washington for Jaimison, Nick young, Andrey Blatche and 2 #1s
and who do you cut?
Remember the Suns have 12 guys under contract right now. If you bring in 3 to replace 1 you will have an extra body that I don’t think the Suns want. Sims can go but that still means cutting someone or having 14 signed (which is possible but expensive).
I think you can do two going for three coming easily but anything more then that is problematic
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 24, 2009 1:44 PM MST up reply actions
Why would the Suns have to cut anybody?
Don’t they have 12 roster spots for certain? So that leaves them with 3 doesn’t it?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
They don't have to
they just aren’t going to want to have more then 13 players under contract for financial reasons
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 24, 2009 4:35 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah
But if it’s the same money, what difference would it make? Wouldn’t it be the same money for 15 players making a total of 75 million as 12? Is there a rule in the CBA that I don’t know about pertaining to this?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
clevelend
Lorenzen Wright
Anderson Varejao
Wally Szczerbiak
for
Amare
Barbosa
and we’ve got a lot of cup room for lee, boozer ect
Cleveland just
rejoiced and sang hymns all day. That deal is horrendus for the Suns.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
forgot about roster size
lets see Dragic, Lopez…these are not gonna be very good IMO
No way they trade Lopez or Dragic
If anything, our new GM and Owner are selfish and too proud to admit they have made a mistake, Kerr isn’t trading ‘his’ draft picks.
God, I think Kerr deserves a moron point simply for being too frustrating. He’s so over his head as a GM. He’s trying to force the issue instead of letting the game come to him, so to speak.
by ArizonaCactus on Jan 24, 2009 1:56 PM MST up reply actions
Does a trade address the problem?
Here are the problems we have:
1) underachieving sometimes spectacular power forward – Amare – I am shaken, but I still believe he can be a consistent force
2) overachieving aging center – Shaq – we are wasting one of his best efforts in years
3) no backup point guard – we have had this problem for years – kind of like why can’t the Chicago Bears ever get a good quarterback?
4) spacing problems that lead to turnovers in bunches – D’A spacing led to not only 7SOL, but near the top of the lowest turnovers per game in the league
5) offensive rebounding – This is not just desire, but spacing. You have to be in position to get the O-rebound. Also, there are two distinct aspects to offensive rebounding numbers. One is how many of the opponent’s shots are rebounded, thus depriving the opposition of an offensive rebound, and how many of your own missed shots do you rebound. Until someone splits this statistic up, offensive rebounding numbers will always be difficult to analyze. For instance, if the Suns are shooting 51, and the opponent is shooting 41, and Phoenix is being outrebounded 18-9, it is clear the opponent’s numbers are padded by their poor shooting. We have played good defense, but are not getting the benefit of it because we cannot get the rebound. This is affected by defensive spacing. Watch Boston. Their defense forces the opposing offense into the spacing THEY want, that will lead them to more defensive rebounds, thus holding down the offensive rebounding totals of the opposition.
6) one of the best shooters in the game not getting enough shots – No way is it wise for your best shooter to shoot 5-8 times per game
7) new shooting guard who is consistently making bad decisions at the end of games – someone needs to teach JRich a few things. He seems to have the desire.
8) hot shooting former sixth man of the year looks lost – LB has lost his compass
10) promising new parts not being integrated (Dudley, Lopez, Tucker) You can’t tell me there is no way these guys can get a chance. I have seen the Mavs develop Brandon Bass, JJ Berea, and Antoine Wright into useful parts. I think Lopez, Dudley, and Tucker coul;d beat the aformentioned Mavs trio in a 3-on-3.
My point is this. What move can we make that will address most if not all of these issues? More to the point, can a trade of Amare address any of these issues? Such a trade might not even solve the power forward problem, unless you get Garnett.
The only logical call here is to fire Terry Porter. I challenge any of you to show me a realistic trade scenario that would address the issues I have put forth. We have players not playing to their strengths. We have an offensive and defensive philosophy that is exacerbating our problems, exposing our weaknesses rather than minimizing them. Until we have an agreement as to the cause of these issues, we can’t propose a solution (i.e. suggest a new coaching candidate), but we should be able to see that only a coaching change has the potential to affect all of theese items.
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replacement possibilities
I would start with my choice before Porter was hired – Paul Silas. If that doesn’t work, Gentry is a possibility, which puts off a long term decision till the offseason. We don’t necessarily have to like the candidate’s resume, just whether or not he is intelligent enough to realize what is not working, and change it. I don’t think Terry Porter has demonstrated that capability. I don’t like Avery Johnson, his success was following Don Nelson. Also, just because a coach has been a dog doesn’t mean he is not the right choice for the right group of players. Nobody thought Doc Rivers was any good, but now he looks like a genius. The same for Mike Woodson. Also, a guy like Rick Carlisle has show adaptability, something nobody thought he had. He has a team with less talent than us playing about as good as they can play.
My point there is don’t rule out people so quickly. Then again, Milwaukee obviously knew what we now know about Porter.
Other possibilities: Saunders, Jeff Van Gundy
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it's too late
The organization already decided to center the team around Amare. 3 years ago.
In any case, these trade scenarios only make sense if Nash, Shaq & Hill are going to be around for 3 more seasons, rather than just the one they have remaining on their contracts.
So… Kerr has two choices: go for a championship in the next couple of seasons; or throw this season & next season away, & rebuild as quickly as possible.
If he wants to go for a championship, he needs to keep the above mentioned old guys, trade Amare, and fire the coach. BTW, Iavaroni is now available, and imho he’d be the best fit for this group of guys.
If not, then he needs to maximize his return by trading Nash for the best possible value, while trying to be as respectful as possible and trading him to a contender. And if you’re going to rebuild, I wouldn’t worry about Nash going to a Western conference rival… Send him to the Lakers, if you can get good pieces and draft picks back.
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by Pliny the Elder on Jan 24, 2009 2:09 PM MST reply actions
Trade Amare idea day - let's hear 'em
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 24, 2009 2:10 PM MST up reply actions
I kind of liked your Chicago trade..
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by Pliny the Elder on Jan 24, 2009 2:23 PM MST up reply actions
No way
don’t want a 7 ft shooting guard that play no d
plus
Nash and Dirk didn’t work 6 years ago…why would it now
Because we have Shaq.
Dirk works best when he has someone in the post to help him. You’ve got to double cover either Shaq or Dirk, and you can’t do that effectively when they spread the paint. Leave one open, and the other will kill you. Sort of what should have happened with Shaq & Amare.
Think of it as a rich man’s Bynum/Gasol
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by Pliny the Elder on Jan 24, 2009 2:20 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
That's quite a statement
I’m not a Mavs fan, but living in Dallas, I would never say that duo did not work. It was a thing of beauty. Only a Mavs fan would make such a statement.
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ok are we talking regular season wins
or are we talking titles cause thats what counts and they won ZERO…do you think anybody will remeber the fact that Dallas won 67 regulars season games a few years ago or the fact that they lost in the first round but they should have at least made the finals
BTW, they did actually get to the finals.
And while I’m not sorry they lost (because Cuban traded Nash.., and because I like Shaq & Wade), they did get royally screwed by the refs.
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by Pliny the Elder on Jan 24, 2009 2:31 PM MST up reply actions
Mavs
Avery blew the 67 win team, not Dirk, and the Miami collapse was more of Finley’s torreador defense on Wade more that anything.
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yeah.. It always upset me
that Nash got crapped on for his defense, when it was pretty much the fault of the guy backing him up (like he’s supposed to do).
That’s not to say that Nash is a all-NBA defensive player, but he’s a lot better than people give him credit for, particularly wrt team defense. If the NBA tracked offensive charges taken, people would understand.
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by Pliny the Elder on Jan 24, 2009 2:35 PM MST up reply actions
very, very true.
Dirk/Nash pick & roll ?? yeah, baby.
imho, though, Nash was at his best when partnered with Nick Van Exel. that backcourt, was frigging amazing.
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by Pliny the Elder on Jan 24, 2009 2:29 PM MST up reply actions
Dirk works
Your 7 foot shooting guard outrebounds Amare, or at least it’s a dead heat. Dirk has many weaknesses, but I have never seen him disinterested like Amare has become.
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I know Amare sucking right now
but you can’t tell me Dirk has been a cold blooded gunner in the post season…we just not watching the same guy I guess
He has been.
He single handedly beat the Spurs the year rthey went to the finals. He did have a bad series against the Warriors, but he was triple covered over and over, and nobody came to the ball.
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Bro don't get me wrong
I think Dirk is a phenom, but I’m more in the mold of traditional PF like Duncan versus a guy like Dirk
Dirk
he is Larry Bird minus the passing and mean streak. Don’t get me wrong, I am not for this swap, because I hold out hope that Amare can still be the beast we thought he was. But Dirk plays at 90 percent of his potential. Amare plays at 50 percent. which would you want if you were a coach?
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Yeah
But Amare was the chosen one…he was supposed to lead us to the promise land…not farther away ( I just watched Star Wars EP 3)
what about the prophecy
It was on the second day after Saint Jerry called the flip of the coin, and all of Phoenix was in mourning. They had just seen the Alcindor ride off to Beertown, and a messenger rode up. He said to Saint Jerry, “don’t lose hope, here is Neal Walk”. And Saint Jerry said to the messenger, "thou shalt surely die, for what is the Walk when hopes accross the Valley of ther Sun have been so surely dashed?
At this, none of the wise men of Saint Jerry dared approach. But there was one seer who came forward. And this man spake thus:
There will be a time when all hope has been lost. And there will come forth out of thine hand, a draft choice that will have a small beginning. He will show great promise. He wil be the Chosen One, and will set all to right. And this shall be a sign: Whena man of Africa will sit on the Oval Office, and the red birds from Phoenix will ascend to the Bowl that is called Super, that the Chosen One will arise.
And Saint Jerry said, a man from Africa? the Cardinals in the Super Bowl? Thou art a false prophet, and shalt surely die! But all of the faithful in the land of the Phoenix have repeated the prophecy of the Chosen One to their children ever since.
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by Hawk42 on Jan 24, 2009 3:34 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
dirk works
I never really followed the NBA back when Dirk and Steve were together, but they were quite a good team. I’m a moderate Dallas fan, mostly because Dirk is one of my favorite players.
With someone like Shaq in the post, just think how much better Dirk could be. Right now he has Dampier.
But the trade could help the Mavs, too. I think Amare would be a good fit. The Mavs wouls till have shooting in Jason Terry. I haven’t really looked at this that much, but the idea sounds great for both teams.
It never hurts...
…having another guy who can create his own shot. We thought J-Rich could do that, but with guys like Amare, Shaq, and Nash (who for some reason refuses to take shots nowadays), he’s won’t get much of a chance to do that. But Dirk would definitely get his shots…
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no way they take amare for dirk without barbosa in the mix. so wed have to add him at the very least.
Trade to knicks
Amare and Barbosa for Starbury, Lee, Robinson and Chandler.
Starbury can be cut or used as a backup to Nash, mostly there for salary reasons, Lee is a decent post presence who wants to rebound which we sorely need and as shown with Duhon can run the pick and roll. Chandler is almost a Marion-lite and Robinson is instant offense off the bench. All the contracts have less than 2 years left on them so this season can serve as a evaluation and if they pan out can be resigned, if not we have lots of cap flexibility.
New York gets 2 pieces that would be attractive to any potential free agent, and fills needs in more consistent scoring, and if the need ever arises they are 2 pretty decently moveable pieces.
I don't think NYK would give up that much.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
People act like
Dirk is freaking Larry Bird or something…
No....
What we are saying is that Dirk is a player who knows how to fit his game for others.. and would be a good complementary fit to Shaq & Hill, given that he can shoot the 3 and actually gives a crap about rebounding. Plus, his play with Nash was almost telepathic.
And since Dirk was the MVP 2 seasons ago, that would suggest he’s at least a better player than Amare.
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by Pliny the Elder on Jan 24, 2009 2:38 PM MST up reply actions
ok I was with you until
the whole MVP deal…that’s debateable
there's no debate
he won the MVP.. you can look it up & all.
Whether you think he’s deserved the MVP that year, well.. imho, his only real competition that year was a short Canadian point guard by the name of Nash. And we have that guy. Or Tim Duncan, and we’ll never get that guy.
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by Pliny the Elder on Jan 24, 2009 2:42 PM MST up reply actions
I'm not debating the MVP
just the fact that if you win an MVP you are better than someone that didn’t win it
It's always a matter of opinion..
I mean, all the years MJ didn’t win it.. Do you really think that Karl Malone or Charles Barkley were better players than MJ.. really ??
But I am saying Dirk is better than Amare. abso-frigging-lutely. And it’s not even close.
Amare can do one thing well, and that’s to dunk. spectacularly
otoh, Dirk is a multifaceted player, who is almost unique in his ability to play both close and outside the post. He’s a better passer than Amare, a better shooter (with 3 pt range..), a better rebounder, a more intelligent shot-blocker… need I go on ?
Plus, and this is the most important thing.. He adjusts his game to his teammates.
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by Pliny the Elder on Jan 24, 2009 2:56 PM MST up reply actions
You just completely sold me
But is Cuban that dumb?
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
I would say no..
But he traded Nash & Harris.. So you can never really know for sure.
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by Pliny the Elder on Jan 24, 2009 2:59 PM MST up reply actions
Look I'm for
anything that makes my beloved Suns better be it Dirk…or Carleton off the Fresh Prince
Carlton
He probably couldn’t even carry the water. He is 5’6" Think Nash can block his shot? And he has gotten fat.
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Portland
(Disclaimer: I’m a Blazers fan, and not sure the management would do that knowing Amar’e can’t be the one and only “Man” in Porland).
replace Rodriguez w/ Bayless, Batum or Rodriguez and PHX might think about it
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Rodriguez replaced with Rodriguez
Done!
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by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 3, 2009 10:27 PM MST up reply actions
Is LaFrenz
even still alive? I know his contract has value in the fact that it won’t soon have value but I mean the actual person. Does he still draw breath? And can you prove it?
Just curious
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 24, 2009 3:45 PM MST up reply actions
He is alive and well, but rehabbing at home
But he had shoulder surgery in the fall, and won’t be back until March or so. But in this case this is a good thing. Insurance covers part of his salary since he missed more than 41 games, so in this sense he is the most valuable expiring contract around especially for teams trying to get cap space or save luxury tax, even more so than Wally World. $12.5 million off the books and 80% of that salary covered by insurance this year. A lot of GMs are interested in that. Pritchard said a while ago that was the card he wanted to play, then again they indicated they might just keep him and let him expire.
I know this is crazy (somewhat) but....
Can we somehow pry Aldridge from Portland with Amare or Amare + someone else?
"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness
Minnesota
This Trade Succeeded! Go back to adjust your trade or start over.
Minnesota Timberwolves
Incoming Players
Photo: Goran Dragic
Goran Dragic
Salary: $1,700,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 2.6 REB: 1.7 AST: 1.6 PER: 4.49
Photo: Amare Stoudemire
Amare Stoudemire
Salary: $15,070,550 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 21.0 REB: 8.0 AST: 2.2 PER: 20.87
Outgoing Players: Al Jefferson, Randy Foye, Mike Miller
Phoenix Suns
Incoming Players
Photo: Al Jefferson
Al Jefferson
Salary: $11,000,000 Years Remaining: 5
PTS: 22.2 REB: 10.7 AST: 1.5 PER: 22.47
Photo: Randy Foye
Randy Foye
Salary: $2,815,560 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 16.0 REB: 3.3 AST: 4.7 PER: 15.05
Photo: Mike Miller
Mike Miller
Salary: $9,028,575 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 9.2 REB: 5.8 AST: 3.5 PER: 12.31
Outgoing Players: Goran Dragic, Amare Stoudemire
by Aluminum Foyle on Jan 24, 2009 2:46 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
AF, you may have struck gold
Jefferson and Shaq would work. And we now have a backup point guard. I think this trade would allow us to ship LB to the Knicks for Wilson Chandler.
And Amare could not hurt us since Minny is so bad, they’ll never make the playoffs. Brilliant!
April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?
Yessir!
I think McHale could and would buy into this trade. The Suns would get an elite player in Jefferson, who is also somewhat of a blue-collar guy, which I think the Suns are lacking.
Also Miller would provide so much space for Shaq and Al Jeff to work, and he’s only got a couple years left on his deal.
And finally, Foye will give the Suns something they never have had since Nash has been here, a reliable true backup point guard, who could take over the reigns when Nash calls it a career.
None of these guys are known for an ego, and I think these guys will play Terry Porter’s way, and mesh well with the rest of the guys.
by Aluminum Foyle on Jan 24, 2009 2:58 PM MST up reply actions
Even if McHale were still the GM..
he’d never be that dumb.
"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".
by Pliny the Elder on Jan 24, 2009 2:58 PM MST up reply actions
Minny is playing well lately. Won’t blow up the nucleus I don’t think
by ArizonaCactus on Jan 24, 2009 2:59 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed. Way too good for PHX
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Yup
Never happen. Plus Foye is starting to play well plus Mike Miller is useless plus AJ and Shaq need the same place on the floor. The low block. But that’s the least of your worries since AJ would be a long term thing.
I think the perfect fit at PF to go with this team is a) Amare is he would start playing or b) an outside shooting power forward like Aldridge or Dirk.
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 24, 2009 3:48 PM MST up reply actions
Isn't trading Amare mean you have to start over
And the Shaq/Amare/Nash experiment was doomed to failure?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
No way
that Minny does this. I’m not sure they’d do AJ for Amar’e straight up. AJ is seriously underrated, if he was on a good team everyone would be raving about how good he is.
Ok, how about....
PHX works up a deal with the notoriously bad GM Chris Wallace of Memphis, and do this:
This Trade Succeeded! Go back to adjust your trade or start over.
Phoenix Suns
Incoming Players
Photo: Hakim Warrick
Hakim Warrick
Salary: $2,119,102 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 11.9 REB: 5.0 AST: 0.9 PER: 17.36
Photo: Marc Gasol
Marc Gasol
Salary: $3,093,333 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 11.1 REB: 7.2 AST: 1.6 PER: 15.65
Photo: Darko Milicic
Darko Milicic
Salary: $7,020,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 6.3 REB: 4.9 AST: 0.5 PER: 14.15
Photo: Kyle Lowry
Kyle Lowry
Salary: $1,163,520 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 7.9 REB: 2.5 AST: 4.0 PER: 14.51
Outgoing Players: Goran Dragic, Matt Barnes, Amare Stoudemire
Memphis Grizzlies
Incoming Players
Photo: Goran Dragic
Goran Dragic
Salary: $1,700,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 2.6 REB: 1.7 AST: 1.6 PER: 4.49
Photo: Matt Barnes
Matt Barnes
Salary: $797,581 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 10.4 REB: 5.5 AST: 2.2 PER: 12.30
Photo: Amare Stoudemire
Amare Stoudemire
Salary: $15,070,550 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 21.0 REB: 8.0 AST: 2.2 PER: 20.87
Outgoing Players: Hakim Warrick, Marc Gasol, Darko Milicic, Kyle Lowry
by Aluminum Foyle on Jan 24, 2009 3:22 PM MST up reply actions
Fine, except
There’s no way I want Darko
April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?
unfortunately....
u gotta take a bad contract
by Aluminum Foyle on Jan 24, 2009 7:49 PM MST up reply actions
What about Gay?
If Amare is going, I think getting Rudy Gay back would be the way to go. Gay, Warrick and 1 other. Need a big….
i thought about that trade
until i checked out the PER. big Als PER is much higher than amare’s, his contract is lower and he somewhat plays defense. you want to throw in mike miller and randy foye too? no way they buy into that garbage.
Dirk
would be roughly the same age Nash was when he came back to Phoenix. I think this trade could work because Dirk would have four years with us if he wanted to be here and we could possibly build around him. He’s a star, no doubt about that one. I know he’s got questions in the post season, but that isn’t as bad as it could be as long as we have guys to help him (Shaq and Nash and young players).
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
No New York trades..
They don’t have anyone who’s any good. All of those guys are overachieving. seriously.
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by Pliny the Elder on Jan 24, 2009 2:50 PM MST reply actions
Toronto (Bill Simmons trade)
Bosh, Parker for Stoudemire, Barbosa
Would make kind of sense for both teams since their current stars are about equally dissatisfied with how things are going, could benefit from a new scenery and are about equally likely to bolt in 2010.
other than my trade above with Minnesota...
i like this one the most, but i dont see Toronto giving up Bosh for Amare. Bosh is loved in Canada, and I’m not sure that they will be so fond of Amare, as they could easily see him pulling a Vince on them again.
by Aluminum Foyle on Jan 24, 2009 3:02 PM MST up reply actions
Dont forget
that Bryan Colangelo knows Amare well. Which probably isn’t a good thing in this case
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 24, 2009 3:50 PM MST up reply actions
But isn't the Bosh for Amare deal the best both teams could probably pull off?
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Stat and LB for Bosh and Calderon
It works financially (barely). We get a Star PF and an excellent “backup” pg. They get some offense which they need right now.
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by Permapaulur on Jan 24, 2009 10:18 PM MST up reply actions
This is a trade I would do all day.
But I’m not sure if TOR would.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Three Way Trade
Hey, first time poster, long time lurker here. Great blog (even though I’m a Lakers fan).
Here’s a three way trade with New York and Milwaukee.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=34282772509592172710063231&teams=21212115181821&te=&cash=
With New York sending their first round pick to Phoenix
Reasons for Suns to do this trade:
1. Nash and Amar’e are going to be gone in 2 years.
2. Youth
3. Ramon is a stud. It’s seriously frustrating seeing him rot on the bench when he’s clearly better than Luke.
4. Cap Space, gobs of it.
5. David Lee is like the anti- Amar’e. Grabs every rebound out there, always hustles, great character even when his entire organization is a mess.
6. Gallinari – Haven’t seen much from him but the little I’ve seen has been good.
Reasons for Milwaukee:
1. RJ is unnecessary to the team – they have way too many shooters.
2. Finally get an elite pg – Can you imagine all the open looks Nash will get Redd and Charlie V and Bogut? With Skiles coaching the team d should be good too. They def make the playoffs the next 2 years.
Reasons for NY:
1. Cap space is good, but if you’re gonna get Lebron you need talent too. Amar’e gives them this.
2. Honestly, this is where the trade breaks down imo. RJ’s contract having 3 years is a back breaker.
that's throwing in the towel
Milwaukee would love the deal. We Suns fans would hate the deal, but I’m sure Sarver would be licking his chops to do the trade in a heartbeat. And I think Donnie Walsh would pass on this deal, because they want LeBron in 2010.
by Aluminum Foyle on Jan 24, 2009 3:20 PM MST up reply actions
Well yeah
If the Suns make this trade, then they’re going full on rebuild phase. Your 3 best guys are 36-37. You’re not gonna win a championship in the next 2 years as currently constructed. It seems to me that rebuilding is what the Suns should be doing. If you want to stay competitive though, how bout this:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=172755617263462&teams=23212121&te=&cash=
Not sure the Kings would do this since they seem to be going rebuild mode too but Kmart + Amar’e would be pretty potent offensively.
Oh yeah
and the reason why the Suns do this is that Salmons is an upgrade at SF while making you younger, Jason Thompson seems like hes the real deal, and Miller fits in better with Shaq than Amar’e.
Really?
Shaq and Miller together? I think they would kill each other. But aside from that, Miller is about as mobile as Shaq. Defensively the PF with Shaq has to be very smart about rotations to cover for Shaq in the paint when he get’s drawn out and has to be able to cut and finish in the lane.
Miller can shoot a bit but that’s about it.
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 24, 2009 3:54 PM MST up reply actions
Hmm you might be right
about the defensive end. Miller is slow so I can see problems there. I think you’re underestimating what he can do offensively though. He has better range than Amar’e and he’s one of the best passing big men in the league. I can see Shaq being double teamed and passing it to the high post where Miller will either shoot that jumper of his or make a sweet pass to a cutting Salmons/Richardson or an open Nash/Richardson.
There are people around StR who would salivate
Thankfully, for me, it’s too nauseauting to contemplate, even when you factor a 7 foot pile of dung exiting the situation.
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And
Here is the link in case you want to curse everyone out for being terribly shortsighted. :)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Hah
It’s funny, someone on that link proposed the exact same trade that I did. It’s really interesting to see how fans on different teams value their players differently. Seems like no one on StR wants to give up JT and most of the rest of the league probably doesn’t even know who he is.
No Worthy
I don’t want to give up JT. But there are plenty of ppl on StR that would. I do not want Amare Stoudemire under any circumstance. I want the potential Hall of Fame Amare. If that was the case, and that’s who the Suns were trading, Dwight Howard would have to be in thre conversation wouldn’t he?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
and thanks btw
Lakers suck
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 24, 2009 3:54 PM MST up reply actions
These days
I just smile when people say that. A few years ago, I’d probably have gotten defensive. It might be my Laker’s bias that makes me like Miller so much though. Our single biggest weakness, imo is bigs who can shoot the three ball. Our defense is predicated on packing the paint with Pau and Bynum and having our perimeter defenders channel the opposition to them. Bigs who shoot 3’s hurt us on 2 levels – they get alot of open looks because we concede the 3 ball alot and they force one of our bigs to the perimeter which leaves the middle open. It’s the reason why Sacremento keeps giving us a hard time. They have 2 bigs who shoot 3’s and Salmons seems to get a million layups on us.
They could win
the next 12 championships and they would suck. Sorry. I hate the Lakers. Can’t help it, I was born that way.
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 24, 2009 4:16 PM MST up reply actions
That's cool
I feel the same way bout the Celtics.
I have a hard time seeing Phoenix doing that
But I don’t have a problem figuring out why Washington would.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Even though I hate suggesting it
Would any of you do Kenny Thomas, Jason Thompson, Mikki Moore and Houston’s 1st rounder (that Sac has from the Artest trade)? Trade Machine link, as well as DX and Sham’s salary info as well.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
HaHa
Yeah, I would imagine so.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Suns would never do that
KT and MM have bad contracts. Houston will likely make the playoffs so the pick will be low. JT is good but not good enough to give up Amar’e for.
Yeah I don't think they would
I don’t see Amare being the Kings ideal target, which makes me very happy.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Amare + Alando Tucker for Dirk and Green
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=172732382761609&teams=662121&te=&cash=
PHX GETS: DIRK AND GERALD GREEN
MAVS GET: AMARE AND ALANDO
Ugh!!!
I don’t really want to trade Amare……or anybody on our roster…..
but I do like playing GM :P……. so I tried this hypothetical trade……
works out pretty good I think…..
but I wouldnt do this trade if I was any of the 3 GMs involved……..
but man do we have some really "Difficult to trade" players :P
Whats up doc?
Whats up doc?
This is FUN...
a lot more fun than watching the Suns the past 5 games! IMO Amare has to go… he will most likely turn out to be a beast with another team but i honestly believe that team would never win with Amare as the MAN.
For the trades suggested above…. i would do the the ones involving getting Chris Bosh or Dirk N. in a heartbeat. These guys are all-stars with the heart to actually work their ass off to win, especially Bosh. I dont think Dirk is soft… its just his playing style to play in the perimeter on offense but even then he’s got a better rebounds average than Amare. Both players definitely have better smarts than the always DUMB amare.
Next opition IMO would be not so great trades but we a least get a rebounding, hardworking big man starter plus some help in other positions (backup C or PG). David Lee would be OK even if his scoring stats are padded in DAntoni’s system – he’s rebounding is for real and he wont be flubbing the points that come his way. Aldridge would also be OK w/ Sergio Rodriguez backing up Nash – i doubt if Portland would give him up though.
Suns/Lakers for Nash
Mihm, Fisher & Walton for Nash
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by Pliny the Elder on Jan 24, 2009 7:09 PM MST reply actions
I'm just saying...
if we’re going to trade Nash, the least we can do is give him a decent shot to get a ring.
All 3 of the Lakers have played with Shaq, and the Suns cut about $1M off the payroll. The only long term contract would be Walton @ $4.2M/per, which is no big deal, and he gets a decent big man in Mihm, who he can re-sign cheap.
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by Pliny the Elder on Jan 24, 2009 7:40 PM MST up reply actions
Actually, I like it. Walton is not a bad player, and Mihm just sits on the bench behind 3 other 7 footers. Fisher I don’t know so much about, but with him maybe we can slow the pace and actually play defense, and still score. And if we could add Dirk to this mix, why not? We’d be rebuilt completely by adding two players who would be with us for the next few years.
The question is, does LA love Walton? Nash is an upgrade to Fisher and Mihm seems to be useless to them.
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
If Kerr decides to keep Terry Porter
then he needs to trade either Nash or Amare.
My guess, given that the organization already decided to build around Amare, and that Nash is close to retirement, or at least on the cusp of leaving Phoenix, is that Kerr would be more inclined to trade Nash than Amare.
Fisher would certainly be an upgrade wrt man defense over Nash, although his team defense is much weaker, and he would be a better fit for Porter’s preferred offense, although less productive statistically. Also, he has had his own clutch moments (i.e game winning shot vs Spurs, game 5, 04 WC semis).
Fisher and Walton also have the advantage of having played with Shaq on the 04 team, so there’s a comfort zone there, which would make it easy to incorporate those players.
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by Pliny the Elder on Jan 24, 2009 11:33 PM MST up reply actions
Been there, done that
In 1972, we gave LA Gail Goodrich for a BWS named Mel Counts. The Lakers went 69-13 with Stumpy leading in scoring and assists. We already gave the Lakers a ring oncee, why not do it again. Right.
April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?
News Flash
The Lakers are getting a ring with or without our help. If we have an opportunity to get something from them, we should take it, if it’s right for us. If we trade Nash to them they’ll only have him for a year or two before he retires. Big whoop. I would never trade them Amare (unless it’s for Kobe, or Gasol), but I’m more interested in getting a championship for us, and less keeping the Lakers from having another.
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
yeah, but that team didn't really start to win
until Elgin Baylor retired. An example of winning by subtraction.
oh, and btw, there was this guy called Jerry West on that team:
West: 25.8 pts, 9.7 asts, 4.2 rbs
Goodrich: 25.9 pts, 4.5 asts, 3.6 rbs
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by Pliny the Elder on Jan 24, 2009 11:10 PM MST up reply actions
Best trades
Ok folks – what were the best trade ideas to come out of the discussion?
Amare – Dirk?
Amare – Bosh?
what else rises to the top?
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Bosh..
IMHO no question about this even if just straight up for amare. Bosh trumps Amare in all the important “statistics” – on-court work ethic, defense, rebounding, unselfishness, pride in winning rather than own game. Oh he’ll also get you at least 20 pts and 9 rebounds which i would rather have than 26 and 8 from a defense-impaired Amare. I actually think this is realistically possible with the threat of Bosh getting out of Toronto in 2010 colangelo might go for Amare to get something in return. Dirk (see my comments above) would be good too straight up (dont know if salaries match).
If building for the future
than we have to get Bosh. Unlike age, the free agent dilemma is something solvable.
Bosh.
Dirk’s a better player than both of them, but he’s not as good off the ball as Amare is. Meanwhile, Bosh is still young, and who knows, maybe he’ll stay.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I just came across this, and it's a few days old,
but the possibility of Dirk leaving Dallas could be a very real one over the summer. The problem is, even if he did come, would Nash and Shaq’s window be open long enough for the Suns to do something about it?
http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/art_garcia/01/21/dirkfuture.western.insider.20090121/
dont you guys think the rest of the league notices
how badly amare sucks? why would they trade their franchise players for an underperforming PF with no defense? i know im contradicting myself, originally posting we should trade amare and barbosa for dirk, but still, your thoughts on that? if you were dallas and toronto, would you really pull the trigger? i tried to convince myself dallas would since it isnt going anywhere and dirk is old, but toronto?
Now you took out the FUN...
of doing this bringing us back to reality!!! LOL. But youre right im afraid were all dreaming thinking of Bosh, Dirk and other all-stars coz GMs are not that stupid – if only Isiah Thomas was the Raptors GM! Thats why as much as i hope for Bosh or Dirk i think the more realistic trades available are the for lesser players like David Lee or Drew gooden – but we have to get some other pieces that can help to at least try to balance it out.
hahaha
lol, if i didnt mention it, we’d probably start posting amare for lebron. :)
by ryansunsfan on Jan 24, 2009 10:25 PM MST up reply actions
Because coaches around the league may think Amare’s bad play is because of motivation, bad coaching, needing a change, and not because he is sliding athletically. If coaches around the league beleive Amare is just in a slump, they will also believe the upside is unbelievably higher than anything they may currently have on their roster. Stat is a porche with a missing spark plug. Won’t start up, but replacing the plug isn’t difficult for someone who knows what he is doing.
And Stat isn’t sucking as badly as we think he is. We inflated our expectations for him preseason and he hasn’t lived up to them, which makes him seem worse to us, but he’s still playing, statistically, well. Another team would have to take a chance to find out if he’ll work for them, but that’s true for every trade.
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
Raptors and knicks
become possibilities under your scenario coz Dantoni and Colangelo might know something about amare that they feel he can improve or get back his “gorilla” game (whatever the hell that is!) or it could be the other way around and they know amare too much and feel that he’ll never amount to anything than a prima donna scorer
Colangelo drafted him, right? And D’antoni decided not to trade him for KG?
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
Kerr
Kerr was the GM at the time, who didn’t pull the KG trade.
by Aluminum Foyle on Jan 24, 2009 10:18 PM MST up reply actions
But why? Because D’antoni wasn’t on board. Kerr listened when they wanted to trade Marion for Shaq, he may have gone along with a Stat/KG trade if D’antoni pushed for it.
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
I didn't hear anything about D'Antoni not being on board with trading Amare.
Indeed, given what we know now about their relationship, I would have thought that he’d be in favor of it.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
D’antoni’s and kerr’s, or D’antoni’s and Amare’s?
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
D'Antoni and Amare's
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Amare the monster
Most of the NBA GMs still have nightmares about how Amare tore the league up in 2005. His deficiencies are just a challenge for any ego driven coach or GM. I’m sure most would be interested.
April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?
cuban
cuban could be dumb enough to pull the dirk/amare trade off, after all, he did give get rid of steve and harris.. look what happened after the both of them left.
i do think other pieces would ahve to be involved.. maybe amare and barbossa for dirk, ar maybe barnes.. someone else would have to be added for this to even be a possibility…
but you never know. amare looks like a good fit in dallas, cuban might go for it
Amare and Barnes. I don’t want to get rid of Barbosa….
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
seriously, what was kerr thinking?
tom thibodeau, avery johnson, scott skiles, flip saunders, all on the market, and you hire – terry porter?? wtf?? a dude with a coaching record of below .500 whose team was supposed to make the playoffs but didnt??
dont amputate the good leg
Trade your best player, whose suckiness materialized the same time Porter did?
Amare is *at best* the 4th best player on this team
After Nash, Shaq and Hill… and I’m not sure he even rates that high.
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by Pliny the Elder on Jan 24, 2009 10:04 PM MST up reply actions
Showcase his weaknesses and then put him on the market? If you were gonna trade him, it would have been last year. This year, if you want to sell high and buy low, it would be Shaq.
lets trade shaq
seriously, i love the big fella, but we are going nowhere, it sucks to trade the guy that gives the most effort night in and night out but he has the highest trade value and he isnt getting any younger. if we want to do him a favor, maybe we can trade him to the C’s who are in need of a big man for, um, ray allen? lol
by ryansunsfan on Jan 24, 2009 10:28 PM MST up reply actions
My point exacxtly
This discussion, while fun, is way off he mark. I’d really rather trade porter for Lionel Hollins and an assistant to be named later. I’m sure the trade machine would approve.
April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?
Better late than never
Phx gets Charlie Villanueva, Richard Jefferson, Ramon Sessions
Bucks get Amare and Alando Tucker
Porter gets 3 positive role players 2 of which can be released if it doesn’t work out.
Bucks get Amare and a young 2 guard to back up Redd.
How Bout Dis?
We get:
Aldridge
Sergio
Outlaw
LaFrentz
Portland gets:
STAT
LB
(possiby something else if need be)
"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness
by Turambar on Jan 24, 2009 11:50 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Amare next to Oden would be scary.
I’m not sure I want to help POR out that much ;)
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Amare next to Shaq should be scary
but it aint. At least not this year it aint.
"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness
it *was* at the end of last season
"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".
by Pliny the Elder on Jan 25, 2009 6:54 PM MST up reply actions
yeah that word sucks
"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness
I would
like to get either Bosh or Aldridge in a package.
First choice would be Bosh and Calderon for Stat and LB
Second would be Stat and LB for Aldridge and Rudy Fernandez.
Problem is Amare is not playing well and GM’s know that. His value is not strong at this point in the season.
He has to go or Porter needs to be fired. I would perfer Porter to be fired but that won’t happen.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
You guys could have had Rudy
And Sergio if you didn’t sell your draft picks.
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by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 3, 2009 10:26 PM MST up reply actions
Sorry to spoil the party...
But Mark Cuban will never trade Dirk. He could have traded him for Kobe when Kobe wanted out and didn’t. He could have traded him for Shaq a few years ago when he was traded to the Heat and didn’t.
Cuban and Dirk are basically best friends. Can’t see Dirk ever leaving the Mavericks unless Cuban sells the team.
People seem to think that trading for Kobe is a no-brainer..
it’s not..
The same kind of thinking that leads people to think that Kobe is that good, is the same kind of thinking that causes a team to trade it’s PG of the next ten years, for an overrated, wife-beating, washed up, HOF bound PG, whose good years were 3 years ago. Nash has been eating Kidd’s lunch for the last 10 years.. you can look it up.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m a Kobe fan, and love all the stunt basketball he plays. It’s very entertaining.
But it’s a team game, and in that context, if I were a GM, and already had a balanced group of 5 decent, unspectacular but team-oriented players, I’d take Nash over Kobe almost every time. Because Nash would make all of those guys an offensive threat, every trip down the court.
Until last year, Kobe was a me-first player, through and through, and made his team worse.
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by Pliny the Elder on Jan 25, 2009 10:12 PM MST up reply actions
until last year
kobe had smush parker as a point guard and kwame brown as a center
and im a nash fan through and through
but there is NO way nash is better than kobe for a team. NO way. kobe is an above average passer, excellent shooter and much much better defender.
oh really
You’re gonna compare Kobe’s shooting to a guy that went 50-48-90 last year, and stringly flirted with 50-50-90 (fg, 3pt, ft%).
You’re gonna compare Kobe’s passing to Nash’s, a guy who Charley Rosen called the best off-hand passer of all time. And since we’re talking about defense, while Nash might be (is) a lamentable defender off the dribble, he takes more offensive charges than Kobe (the equivalent of 2 steals/game), and is a way better team defender (Rosen calls Nash a masterful team defender). Watch the games sometime.. you’ll see.
"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".
by Pliny the Elder on Jan 26, 2009 11:18 AM MST up reply actions
Until last year..
Kobe had played with Shaq, Fisher, Rick Fox, Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Fisher, etc… And he was a selfish player even then, during the championship years.
Last year, he finally figured out that Bynum needed someone to pass him the ball in position to be effective. That drawing people away from teammates in good position, and then passing them the ball for either a direct or one-pass easy score is better than trying to take them on directly.
"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".
by Pliny the Elder on Jan 26, 2009 11:12 AM MST up reply actions
you mean the playoffs where the Lakers were up 3 to 1, and couldn't close it out...
and where he went AWOL in game 7.
Or in the finals vs the Celtics & Pistons? That Kobe?
"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".
by Pliny the Elder on Jan 26, 2009 11:05 AM MST reply actions
Nash
Is a product of D’Antoni. Look at his stats now, about the same as when he was on the Mavericks. He’s a good PG who was turned into a HOFer by D’Antoni and has now regresses to his normal self.
No he's a victim of Porter's system.
I’m not sure if you’ve been paying attention, but since Porter changed the offense to allow Steve to do his thing (basically since Xmas), Steve has been averaging something like 11.6 asts/game
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by Pliny the Elder on Jan 28, 2009 12:04 AM MST up reply actions
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