Panic or Patience?
As is often the case with sports, those who are the most dedicated fans are the most given to extreme highs and lows. Of late, I hear the cries of panic. It is time to blow up the Suns, fire the coach, and run the GM out of town. Is it time for panic or patience?
I realize the Suns have disappointed many this season, myself included.
On paper they should have an awesome team. The have 2 MVP and long time All-Star players in Nash and Shaq. They have 3 other players who are currently or previously All-Stars in Stat, Hill, and J Rich. They also have a former best 6th man award winner in LB.
The detractors at the beginning of the season, said the Suns were too old. Shaq is washed up, and Nash's best basketball is behind him.
The positive is that Shaq has proven everyone wrong ... again.
(As an aside, it has also proven that the Suns have the best medical staff, probably in all of sports. I have seen it repeatedly over the years how they have kept the time lost to injury to an extreme low. Broken down players come here and get an extension on their career. Healthy players leave and run into health trouble [e.g. Marion].)
Shaq is a huge bright side for the Suns. He is still one of the best centers in the game. He is able to get good shots for himself and others, like Nash. He is the answer to who will run the offense when Nash is sitting, though it is not always clear the Suns understand that.
Stat has had his ups and downs. He has had some monster games early in the season, enough to get an All-Star spot. Since then he has lost his fear factor. He has turned the ball over at an alarming rate and seems to disappear for whole quarters. Besides that there is the rumor of his ego spoiling the chemistry. Still I know that he is one of the best and most fearsome power forwards in the game, when he is given the ball in opportunities to be successful. He has a drive to be the best that I would not feel comfortable betting against.
Nash is still one of the top point guards in the lead. He is a great shooter from anywhere on the floor. He is one of the best assist men of all time. He is a master at getting guys the balls for high percentage shots. He may be losing some steps, but he will probably have to be using a walker before he is not worth having on the court.
Hill has also been a pleasant surprise. With the departure of Marion, he has taken the mantle as best one-on-one defender for the Suns. He regularly forces tough shots and draws charges as well as anyone. He also has to have the sweetest mid-range jumper in the game. Besides that he has tons of basketball smarts and is able to help his team even when he doesn't have the ball.
On paper J Rich is also a huge talent. He has been one of the best 3pt shooters in the league this season. His ability to run, rebound, and jump has been great at times. He is a proven NBA star that could be huge if he given time to acclimate to the team.
LB has had an inconsistent year as it seems he also is trying to adjust (as all the Suns are) to playing under a different coach with a different offensive scheme. He has had enough games to show that he is still an awesome offensive weapon, capable of going off at any time. He is still a young developing player so there is hope that he will continue to get better as the season progresses.
The rest of the bench has also had their ups and downs. Barnes has oscillated between great (hitting big 3pt shots and grabbing rebounds) and poor (throwing the ball away too many times), but has shown his potential. Lightning Lou has shown a great spark off the bench, bringing the hustle that is often lacking. Dudley, Lopez, Dragic, and Tucker all could step up down the stretch given the right opportunity.
Again, on paper, there is no better starting 5 in all of basketball. They have a solid 6th man in Barbosa, and enough talent on the bench to go at least 8 deep (Barnes and Lou).
Their biggest obstacle is mental and psychological. Mental in that the Suns players and coaches have to mentally adjust to one another and figure out how to get on the same page. Psychological in that the Suns have to regain their confidence and swagger. They have to expect tough matches, but also expect that they will overcome. They will overcome hot shooting teams, poor officiating, and old nemesis'. The have to get motivated to play playoff caliber ball every night. They have to continue to improve. They have the potential to be the best team in basketball but they are not there yet.
Is it time to panic? Fire the coach? Blow up the team and look to the future?
Are you crazy?! The Suns are in the middle of the playoff hunt (solidly over 50%). If they continue to jell as the season progresses they (like the Cardinals) could do great things in the playoffs. Do you remember what it is like to have a consistently losing team (like the Cardinals before this year)? How many teams are in the rebuilding phase? Everyone that is outside of the playoffs! Ask them how much fun that is, and whether they would trade places with the Suns.
I was not a big fan of the previous trade that sent Bell and Diaw to Charlotte for J Rich. (BTW, I was also not a fan of Kerr interfering with D'Antoni encouraging him to leave). I knew that Bell and Diaw were quality players who just had not been worked into the system. I thought and still think that Diaw is one of the most talented players in basketball, and perhaps my favorite player to watch ... period. Bell was the heart of the Suns, their passion, their fire. I don't think J Rich gives you much more than Bell does, and so I think the trade reduced the depth of the Suns. In one sense, it was a good trade because it didn't seem like the Suns knew how to use Diaw effectively anyway so then they may have upgraded the talent at the 2 slightly. Either way it is water under the bridge. J Rich may still surprise me. I suspect that Diaw will continue to surprise everyone else (especially some Suns fan that love to diss him). J Rich is a Suns player now, so I'm still rooting for him.
So let's keep some perspective, people. There are still a lot of games to play. Once we are in the playoffs, record doesn't matter. Anyone can win. Ultimately, it is not about winning a championship. It is about entertainment. If the Suns don't bring you entertainment, then find something else to do.
Only one team will win the championship ... then that will be quickly forgotten 4 months later as a new season starts. The sport dilemma is that there is always next year, for the champion as well as for all the rest. The end is not nearly as enjoyable as how you got there.
Go Suns!
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Yes,
I appreciate your compassion however reality needs to be sprinkled in.
Its all about “entertainment” , is that right. Haven’t the Suns been entertaining the last 4 years, and guess what, how many championships did that bring to the floor? And the last 4 years the Suns have had better squads than the one we are running out there now.
If you think this team will make a run in the playoffs, well good for you. This team will be lucky to make the playoffs in the first place, and if they do, they are looking at the Lakers, how does one and done sound.
I love the Phoenix Suns, however I do not wear blinders, this team is seriously flawed from the owner to the players.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
I'm not saying blow it up
and I’m sure most of us don’t feel that way. But you got to ask yourself if you think this team is going to make it past the first round and that’s if they make it. Almost half of the season and I don’t see any improvements. Porter is still making dumb decisions, players are not happy, turnovers, etc.
From a player’s standpoint, this is not about entertainment. You work your ass off to compete and give you a better chance to reach your goal, to win a championship. You think Nash goes to bed thinking “hey, I dished 18 assists and scored 16 points, I’m doing my job, I’ve entertained”
As a fan, this is what I enjoy: The competition, the passion of the players, talent displayed on the court. If I want to be entertained I’ll watch the WWE or ask David Stern to pay Manu Ginobili so he can miss all 18 of his free throws and we can have a close game for the ratings sake.
Don’t get me wrong, I wish and hope they can play better, just like you do. But it’s getting kind of hard to watch them play.
"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"
Porter is NOT the problem
I find it laughable to hear and read comments that call for his head. He hasn’t even had a full season yet.
Grockflubs said it best:
I love the Phoenix Suns, however I do not wear blinders, this team is seriously flawed from the owner to the players.
There’s a ton of blame to go around and most of it is upon the players, period
If you make every game a life-and-death thing, you're going to have problems. You'll be dead a lot.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jan 31, 2009 12:32 PM MST reply actions
the players are PART of the problem
seriously man, do you watch suns games, or do you just check out the box score and post ridiculous comments? have you seen porters rotations? his questionable tactics? his very bad precision to detail? did you know TP was fired from his last head coaching job because he coached a team everyone expected to make the playoffs into a losing record? by far and away, kerr only made one horrible mistake, and that was terry porter.
Seriously man
Do you have a clue or do you just like whining all the time?
At the high school level, you hold the coach accountable. At the college level you hold the coach accountable.
At a Professional level, when this is how a man makes his living, you hold the individual person accountable. But this is America after all, it’s easier to find a scapegoat in the coach. Get a grip
If you make every game a life-and-death thing, you're going to have problems. You'll be dead a lot.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Feb 1, 2009 1:03 PM MST up reply actions
The playoffs
If this team makes it to the playoffs it seem unlikely they’ll be able to make an extended run with the 7-game series format. I don’t think anyone thinks this squad will outplay the lakers or spurs in a 7-game series, not to mention phil jackson and popovich would run circles around porter from a coaching standpoint.
I dont think the problem lies in the players
I think its the Kerr/Porter. I really do. Either keep them two and change the entire team, or keep the team and get rid of them two.
Its is about entertainment…to US. We dont get any bonuses or rings or trophies if the team wins a championship. With that said, let me explain why entertainment means more. I have friends that dont care or even like basketball. But they’ve been forced to watch games if they come over. And these people that dont evn care about basketball could tell you the rosters and all that jazz from the suns. They loved watching them. They were a fun team. Now they watch the games and just shake they’re heads with various coments like “Bell would’ve made that shot” or “oh, Marion would’ve had that.” I dont mean to bring up the trades, so lets just dead that right there. What I’m really getting at is that championships dont make teams and/or fans. Anyone thats a Celtics fan this year that wasnt last year is a front-runner, and chances are that personwas a Bulls fan during the Jordan-era. Look at the Knicks. They’ve been a joke of a team for a while now and that stadium still gets packed.
I’d rather be Pacific Division Champions every year with exciting, fun play and always come close to winning a title without actually winning one rather than get pissed off every single game because coaches moves baffle me or peoplerun into each other (or trip over each other) cause they dont understand the plays they’re told to run.
First year coaches should be with teams rebuilding. We’re not rebuilding. Well, we werent. Thanks to Kerr, we have to change everything this team was. I’ve been a Suns fan my whole life (which isnt very long, I am only 26) but we’ve never been the kind of team that Kerr is trying to make us. Now I understand we werent a championship team before, but I loved our team. We were always a small and fast team that was the underdog. If I wanted the type of team that Kerr is trying to make I wouldn’t have been a Suns fan, I would’ve been a Knicks fan or Houston fan or something. HELL NO!
Eff Steve Kerr. Eff him in his A.
well you should try to understand
That he (and everyone else) came to the conclusion that the old suns way wasn’t gonna work. If he left the team alone a lot more people would post about how he should have made changes and that they are to old to win now. The run and gun was near its end anyways (marion contract was almost over, nash is getting older, diaw was just garbage, bell wasn’t what he used to be) might as well try one last ditch effort. It was gonna end anyways, either by management or time so why not try something crazy.
Shaq:"The kobster, he's an assassin" Answer for who should be mvp.
Shouldn't we be rebuilding?
I own my Steve Nash jersey, I drank the Vitamin water. I’ve seen the Suns over decades. I thought Jeff Hornacek was the man. It broke my heart when he was traded.
Steve Kerr believes we can’t win with these players. You can tell, and you can’t win if you don’t believe. He knows what he needs to do, but he’s not doing it.
If he thinks that we should be a slow down grind out team, shouldn’t he be trying to construct that team?
Don’t slap a flatbed on a ferrari and lie to me.
Keep Ghill as long as he will stay, Free the Nash, Let Amare find his gorilla game somewhere else, trade Shaq when he’s got the expiring contract. Get as many Draft picks in trade as possible. Personally I’d keep Jrich and Leandro (I see a lot of evolution in the LB has played this year), Let the young’ns get some mileage so they can start over achieving like Brook Lopez.
The enemy of championships is instability. That’s what really sunk ssol. You can’t change out the GM, the Coach, the owner and the key parts and expect to get better. I can’t think of anyone who has. Stick with this front office (they are fairly smart, if incredibly frustrating right now) and let them remake the Suns so we can get some rings.
We’re not in the running for championships anymore, so we should be trying to figure out how to beat Portland after they become better than the Lakers.
by presbot on Feb 1, 2009 11:48 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
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Don’t slap a flatbed on a ferrari and lie to me.
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We’re not in the running for championships anymore, so we should be trying to figure out how to beat Portland after they become better than the Lakers.
Don't Redeactivate Shavlik Randolph

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