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Suns failure to compete ends worst month in years

The Suns loss to the Bulls on the last day of January ends their month with a 7-8 record. This was the first time since the pathetic 29 win Marbury-led pre-Nash 03-04 season that the Suns ended a month with a losing record. The first time in almost five years.

Before ripping the Suns big men for their inability to rebound and control the paint, let's give the Bulls credit for playing well. They moved the ball and hit their shots both the few that were contested and the many that were not. It is a good win for embattled former Sun Vinny Del Negro on the second night of a back to back. His team fought hard and he used his weapons well.

Del Negro swept his former team for the season which means we won't talk about the Bulls again unless it's in relation to a trade; a proposition that looks more and more likely every game.

Box score * Blog a Bull * Game Quotes

 

Star-divide

The Suns have lost all semblance of chemistry and played this game as if they've quit on each other and their coach. Most noticeable beyond Amare's continued dull disinterested display was Shaq playing down to a similar level. 

In the past a poor game from Amare would be covered up by Shaq controlling the paint and using his will and effort to compensate. It's not clear whether Shaq was tired or just tired of his front court mate but he clearly was not in this game either and with the Bulls shooting well from outside the Suns could not afford to lose the rebounding battle and give up second chance points.

Shaq however, seems to feel like the Suns perimeter defense is to blame:

“I wouldn’t say it’s the effort – you’ve just got to man up. You can’t really make excuses. Effort always has something to do with it, but I’ve never been a defensive stopper, but you’ve got to want to play defense. You’ve got to want to stop somebody. I’ve always liked playing with guys that like to play and look for the help last. If you look for the help first too much, I think it puts everybody in jeopardy. It’s time to man up now.”

From where Shaq sits in the lane there's really no way to read this other then directed at Nash and Barbosa who were getting smoked by Rose and Hinrich. Other then jumpers, those were the only guys getting close to the rim. Except of course for the offensive glass which Porter points out was key:

“We talked about the areas that they were really going to try and attack us in as far as rebounds and in the transition and we just didn’t do a good enough job...When we did make stops, they got offensive rebounds and it hurt us.”

Wasted effort...

The only Suns that looked into the game were Grant Hill and Leandro Barbosa. LB was on fire and playing with more energy then anyone else on the court. He had a very effecient 32 points in 32 minutes and was key to both of the Suns best attempts at closing the gap.

Hill tried to lead by example on both ends but his 19 points, 5 rebounds, 5 assists and 2 blocks (and an INCREDIBLY poster dunk over Noah) were wasted as well.

Nash had a few points where he was able to get into the lane and create (with Shaq on the bench) but his 7 turnovers did not help the cause. I realize that his turnover numbers are consistent with past years, but when he's handling the ball less the sloppy passes he makes seem to take on greater significance. They also almost always lead to a break away as they did tonight.

Crisis management

In the midst of this crisis as Steve Kerr recently called it, Terry Porter has shortened his bench considerably. Instead of resting his aging warriors early and letting some of his energy bench guys do some of the lifting, he's tightened the circle of trust in a move that reeks of panic and desperation.I would much rather see Dudley and even Lopez getting minutes in the second and third quarters to see if they can provide a spark in a low energy game like this.

When the team sank to a low point like this earlier in the season Kerr pulled the trigger on a trade that sent the malcontents away. For a time that seemed to have worked as JRich came in and the team's collective ears perked up. 

Now that the honeymoon has worn off the problem of "too many mouths to feed" has only increased along with Amare's discontent with his subordinate role.

Unfortunately, at this point in the season it is not clear that moving Amare will be enough to change the malaise the has come to infest this team.

Perhaps Nash simply can't co-exist in a Shaq filled lane in which case bringing in another power forward isn't going to solve anything. Do you trade your young future and try once again to win with this ever shifting roster anchored by Nash, Shaq and Hill or do you simply cash in your aging chips while their face value is still spendable coin?

I suspect we are going to see what Sarver and Kerr decide to do sooner rather then later. In the mean time, we had better worry about the Kings on Monday. The way the Suns are playing right now there are no more easy games.

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THE DELUSION IS WEARING OFF

Words can’t explain how I feel now….at least we knew Maurby’s 02-03 Suns team was gonna be bad, but this…this is so…i don’t know…and the worst part is our team is not even fun anymore…used to be the life of the party now nobody notices us there. I mean I feel a lottery coming on, but do we even have a pick this year or next…

by ron_dasun on Feb 1, 2009 12:37 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

We have

a pick this year, next years Number is off to Portland in that wonderful Kurt Thomas dump. Another tremendous move by this bunch.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Feb 1, 2009 6:33 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

yea that!

was the one of the most foolish things i thought i had ever seen. because it displayed the lack of intelligence that makes guys sick. and it was the writing on the wall. cap killing deals to follow, and the lack of direction.

by stingy d on Feb 1, 2009 9:59 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Lets hope,

for our sake, that the Suns don’t make the playoffs this year. That would only increase the agony of what has been a miserable season. Hopefully Amare gets his arse run out of the building when the All-Star starting lineups are introduced.

by Silkster on Feb 1, 2009 12:52 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

What would be worse

Amar’e continuing with his disinterest at the All-Star game or deciding to show up for a game that doesn’t mean anything and winning MVP.

by Worthy J. on Feb 1, 2009 1:09 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I wish he would

go all out for a meaningless allstar game….but knowing Amare he probably would get his “KING KONG” game on

by ron_dasun on Feb 1, 2009 2:09 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I believe in patience

but it’s starting change. I’m starting to give up.

I think the bigger issue is more fundamental than just coach TP. Maybe, it’s playing two different completely opposite styles (Nash/Shaq).

by Azrael on Feb 1, 2009 1:37 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Hey really though

20 losses at this point of the season is pretty ridiculous…way to much talent for this meltdown….PORTER MUST GO!!!!!

by ron_dasun on Feb 1, 2009 2:12 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

yea.

you guys need jeff van gundy.

by stingy d on Feb 1, 2009 10:01 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Porter was doomed the day they hired him.

I like to watch Phoenix play and never saw them as a hated rival the way Blazer fans see Utah and the Lakers. But the Suns that were fun to watch basically had an oak stake driven through their hearts with the Shaq trade. It’s too bad. I would have loved to see their style become more predominate in the NBA.

by raoulduke on Feb 1, 2009 12:48 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Barbosa was something .........

I guess Barbosa and Grant Hill were the only bright spots tonight. I think barbosa should start over JRich……he really has been out playing him……..Amare sucked and Nash was sloppy with 7 turnovers. Another loss to a team we should beat…It’s kinda getting old.

by cabezonication on Feb 1, 2009 5:16 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Give LB a chance. He’s playing well. Porter needs to do something. Sit Amar’e, let them run with Shaq sitting…I don’t know.. I’m just out of ideas. Just do something man.

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Feb 1, 2009 8:17 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

wanted: defense
reward: a job as Suns’s coach

the last time I saw defense was around Boston. Where is now? Not in Phoenix, sure.

Rebuild from Amare and Barbosa. Nash and his TO out. Barnes out. Sacq out. Dragic, López and Amundson out.

What about bench players? What about rotation?

Please, rebuild begining from coach.

by matrix7 on Feb 1, 2009 5:17 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

im sick of all this crap

fire the coach, fire kerr, sell the suns to a competent owner, trade every player for cap space and draft picks, START OVER.

by ryansunsfan on Feb 1, 2009 7:01 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

keep everybody

trade terry porter for jeff van gundy.

by stingy d on Feb 1, 2009 10:02 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

i agree but

that wont happen, and by next year we’ll be too old, hill and barnes will be gone and so will our chances of success

by ryansunsfan on Feb 2, 2009 7:15 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I think

you offer everyone in trade scenerios except Hill and Barbosa.
 This team is really in a tough spot, and Kerr, Sarver and to some extent Porter and Coach D’Antoni have there hands in this. They took a chance on Nash and Shaq co-exsisting, well it doesn’t work, at least with the players around them.
 My plan would be to trade Amare, the most valuable piece the Suns have, a No. 1 pick is a must, 2 No. 1’s would be ideal, and a player that knows how to spell r-e-b-o-u-n-d.
 The Suns would be foolish to give a max deal to Amare. By end of next year you could have Amare gone by trade, Nash and Shaq’s contracts would be up, Then the real construction work begins.
 This team needs to start focusing on getting younger by the draft. Any trade made needs to be focused on getting First round picks.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Feb 1, 2009 6:45 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

you offer hill and barbosa too

i mean seriously, we want a defensive team right? barbosa is da bomb, but he is not a good defender so lets throw him out too. hill is great, but he’s old with max trade value so we can get a lot in return. i would only trade hill though, to a good team where he has a shot at the championship IF he wants to be traded. that is how much i respect the man who gave his heart and soul to the suns for 1.3 million dollars only.

by ryansunsfan on Feb 1, 2009 7:14 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Completely agree, altho’ I’d listen to Barbosa trades.
I was all for giving Porter more time but he hasn’t made any moves recently that inspire confidence. But that decision could wait until the off season.
I think you also gotta play the young guys to see if they are an option and to help focus the draft with regards to what you really need.

by overthere on Feb 1, 2009 7:36 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Shaq is great trade value

Next year, though. 20 million of cap room, anyone? Some teams may want to take a chance on Stoudemire. And there’s always the possiblity someone would want Nash. Barbarosa is a pretty good price for his offensive production. We have lots of trade-able pieces. I was really eager to give Terry Porter a chance to prove himself, but It’s not just the coach. It’s a three-way-team effort. The management, the coaching staff, and the players. You can’t have a screwed up owner hell-bent on throwing away assets simply to cut pennies off his pay roll. You can’t have an inexperienced, incompetent coach who can’t control his players or organise a proper defense/offense/game plan. You can’t have players who’re lazy, egoistical, selfish, or in some cases, simply too untalented(I’m looking at Lopez and Dragic).

I don’t see this as a downfall. We were the beautiful rainbow, the Sunshine after the rain(Marbury years) during the Nash-era. But it was simply a pretty illusion. There was no pot of gold(championship) at the end of the rainbow. It’s time to face the reality. We’re far from being a class organisation, we didn’t have what it took to win a championship, we still don’t. I can only hope that we have a future. Right now the Thunder and T-Wolves and Nets look to have it so much better than us.

I had to explain every metaphor I used because some people might not understand.

I’m a sad fan. But still a fan.

by felixthm on Feb 1, 2009 9:22 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Does this mean

the bandwagon is starting to bleed fans? I hope so, I’d like to get good seats at a decent price.

If you make every game a life-and-death thing, you're going to have problems. You'll be dead a lot.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Feb 1, 2009 10:24 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Ha

I guess that’s a brightside

"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness

by Turambar on Feb 1, 2009 10:30 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely

I wrote about that in my season preview…


The bigger question isn’t about the new Kerr-Porter Suns style of traditional ball and its impact on the court. I want to know what the casual and bandwagon fans of the Suns style are going to do when then wake up in November and realize they aren’t seeing the Suns in purple in orange but some off shoot of the Pistons? Phoenix Suuuuuns Basket Baaaaaalll.

by Phoenix Stan on Feb 1, 2009 10:40 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Player's role

All teams need defensive players, creative players and big scorers.

Barbosa and Amare have shown they are big scorers, so we cann’t pretend that they were great defenders too. I prefer rebuild from them.

Nash is a good scorer and a good creative player, but he makes too much TO and next season will not be in Phoenix, so it’s a good option to trade him now and get a first pick or a young value.

Hill is old but is necesary in the roster now because of his IQ and score.

Sacq and his contract are difficult to pass but I’ll try, I prefer a frontcourt with Camby and Amare instead Sacq and Amare.

Lopez and Dragic haven’t proven anything, perhaps because of the coach. Dragic is impossible to trade and Lopez needs to play more minutes with a good point guard.

Amundson is the typical player that every team needs, but we don’t want he becomes the new Pat Burke. He is only intensity and his lack of quality is worrying.

Barnes has good days and bad days; he needs a coach who make him understand his role on the team. He’s necessary this year but isn’t necesary to renew him next season.

JRich is a good scorer too, but his contract is so high, so next season I’ll try to trade him and get one or two players: a forward and a center.

In short, the best values to use in a trade are Nash and Sacq.

And of course Porter must go, but please, Jeff Van Gundy NO

by matrix7 on Feb 1, 2009 12:10 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Amare is our future and Nash is Nash..

Amidst all of this frustration and trade talk we have not taken a moment to sit back and take a good(not nostalgic)look at our recent past and actually see that as always the solution lies where we do not care to look at first. At the end of my Comment i will be presenting us with a few trade ideas but before that,allow me to explain where i am comming from. We have all seen and been amazed by the power,precision and finishing abilites that Stoudemire possesses,we have seen him progress in aspects of his game with his outside jumper and remain stagnant with his help defense and boxing out. Nobody is perfect,that’s why in this game you have team-mates that cover your deficiencies and help you in the same way you help them. It’s not about the 5 best players on the court it’s about the 5 players the play best for the team. The does mean of course that Amare in his search for greatness and acceptence as complete player should not work harder on his game elements that are lacking and just rely on others. What i mean to say is that he is our future and we should surround him through the years with players that will work well with him. Steve Nash is the face of this franchise,in a perfect world we should just allow him to decide when he want’s to leave and absolutely not the other way around. He is everything this team and organization needed,needs and has,an unselfish player who makes everyone around him better,a leader,clutch player,strong but calm voice in the locker room. In a system that doesn’t work for him or through him he is trying to make the most of it for others but unfortunately his few shortcomings are showing now and sometimes costing us in games. Can’t hide from the truth. He needs help in the backcourt. The coach has to use him and rotate things around him in a way to protect him and utilize his many many strengths. Nash can be our Stockton(playing at a high level for 4 more years)while at the same time smoothing the transition to a younger player in a couple of season,if not next year. At the end of the day,It’s obvious that although we love Shaq and his new found energy and even though i still believe that we can be fearsome in the playoffs,in my opinion,the way that he is canceling out Stat in the paint with the force feeding he requires and Steve nash’s up tempo game(even in mild form) plus his serious pick n’ roll defence problems.Now that Shaq’s trade value is up let’s try to ship him out and try getting a defense-rebound-mid range jumper player like (Hawes,Bogut,Murphy or even Rasheed Wallace)(someone like kurt thomas…)along with a guard that can control the tempo and just be tough.(sessions,jack,marcus williams,conley,)dangle barbosa or richardson to get the guard you need and just get a filler for shaq. It’s much smarter to trade a 36 year old great player that hurts the production of your other 2 great players. If not for Nash do it for Grant Hill who has been an inspiration this year.
Sorry about the long post…

by Markopoulos9 on Feb 2, 2009 5:28 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

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