Suns not speaking the same language - defense
Another close game. Another heartbreaking defensive lapse.
In the spirit of getting better assigning blame let's break this one down.
First though, listen to Terry Porter after today's practice talk about the failure to communicate.
Remember also what Nash said after the game last night about someone calling an audible right before the ball came in. I still assume that was Richardson.
Here's the way they lined up initially.
The Suns went with 3 guards (Nash, Barbosa and JRich) along with Hill and Amare. One has to assume a play to be guarding against is something going to the rim for a tip in or alley oop. That's why Hill is out of the stack a bit protecting the hoop.
It does say a lot about how Amare is viewed that as the most athletic big on the team (and on the court or pretty much anywhere) he's left guarding the ball. Think about that. Would Duncan be on the ball? Wade? LeBron? At least Amare does a good job shading to protect an easy pass towards the hoop. Of course the Pacers had other plans.
Some question having LB or even Nash in the game at this point instead of Matt Barnes. That's an interesting point as well.
In the first move before the ball comes in, Graham breaks and JRich steps out and intercepts him. At this point you can clearly see Barbosa trailing Graham but still a few steps away with time to stop and focus on Granger.
Nash is lined up behind Jack (a legit threat too) and Hill is watching for someone breaking to the rim.
Now we clearly see Barbosa continuing to trail Graham as is JRich. Nash is positioned on Jack with Granger left open. At this point the break down is complete.
When Granger breaks out to the three point line no one is even close. Barbosa had continued trailing Graham as had JRich. Only after the ball clearly is going out to Granger does LB stop and look. Too late.
Granger catches, lands, elevates and delivers. You can see Nash has left Jack and closed a lot of ground to even be near Granger. I read somewhere that Nash got burned on this play but that was CLEARLY not the case.
There was also no question about the shot going up in time although the clock did start a couple of ticks after the catch was made. Still it wouldn't have made a difference since you can see .5 remaining when the ball leaves his hands.
Here's a link to the youtube. I've seen it enough times.
Barbosa, not known for the mental part of his defensive game, and Richardson newly aquired to the Suns obviously got their wires crossed here. Going just on the video evidence it's clear the Barbosa failed to follow the "switch everything" edict from Coach Porter but per the Nash audio clip it might be that JRich changed the play on the field. Either way, there was yet another Suns failure to communicate.
all audio provided by Sports 620 KTAR
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It worries me a little this talk of J-Rich changing plays. It seems to me the equivalent of a wideout playing for the Colts, recently aquired from the Raiders, calling an audible instead of Peyton Manning. Or on the flipside, a saftey in the same position calling an audible instead of Ray Lewis.
Then again the Suns don’t have a Manning/Lewis on defense so everything I just said is stupid. Maybe we’ll see the Gorilla stepping in to call a few audibles next game?
(I love watching basketball but don’t know anything about the technical aspects of the game, so if this IS normal behavior, forgive me. It just doesn’t SEEM right that a new player, and not the coach, would be calling out switches.)
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
you make a very logical point
The thing we don’t know is, is porter ticked off at JRich for calling out a change? That’s the thing I want to know…
great pictures PhxStan!
After looking at these screen captures,
This is a very well drawn up play and would have been very hard to defend well.
As you said, Barbosa’s man, Graham, rolled all the way around the line and even though there was not necessarily a pick set on Barbosa, Richardson switched and took Graham. Barbosa then should have switched to Richardson’s man who was Foster.
As Graham rolls around the line, Foster and Jack turn in and set a double screen on Hill and Granger pops out to the 3pt line to catch and shoot. If we were switching on everything, then whoever was guarding Foster and/or Jack should have ran out and picked up Granger, which Nash does. It was just too late.
So because they were switching on everything, it would have been very tough for Barbosa to switch so quickly from Graham to Foster to Granger.
Very good
Top breakdown of the play as per usual Phoenix Stan. I was surprised that Nash was still in the game for this play, same with Barbosa – I thought at the time that Porter must have just opted to go with the “warm” guy, over someone like Matty Barnes – I’m sure having Barnes out there defensively is a better option, even if Barnes follows Graham the way LB did. At least Barnes mentally has more of an idea than Barbosa.
It definately does show the Suns’ poor communication on defense – the other question I ask is, was the ball ever going to anyone not named Danny Granger – it’s these times in games where coaches do often opt to go to the guy who would receive less attention, but it’s the Indiana Pacers….
by dang on Jan 8, 2009 7:16 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
an update
on how the team is going over this collapse:
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2009/01/08/20090108spt-suns.html
nice little quote in here about “the defensive shortcomings of amare stoudemire”
on amare guarding the inbounds pass and having hill under the basket...
that’s got to be a sad thing for amare….he has to know that…even though he’s way more athletic, that he’s not even close to our top, second or third option of defense….sad…because he’s got the tools….physically
yanyanman2..thanks for the link
All I have to say is………….19 TURNOVERS!!!!!!!!!! and we still almost won…that’s just horrible or awesome?
Horrible that we had so many turnovers (like many turnovers are new to this suns team :-( ……….)
Awesome that even with 19 turnovers, we came back and almost won…..but…back to horrible
It’s too bad I’m not better at flash and animation, I’d create a little cartoon – like the email blue mountain cards – with a few of the suns players on a very high cliff, and they’re trying to decide which player(s) to push over….
sad…but, I’m still onboard. I think if this team can get the turnover numbers down to 12 or less, they’d be in great shape….let me look w/o knowing what’s the lowest number avg per game – turnovers by a team – and who…………..
but first…here’s a stat from the current nba stats (turnovers avg per game)
Dwyane Wade…3.7
Steve Nash………3.6
Deron Williams…3.3
Carmelo Anthony….3.1
my point…I can live with nash’s numbers, he creates much more…glad i saw wade at the top
back to teams…
spurs are the lowest in turnovers 11.7 (but the most boring team…ok…parker and gino are not boring)
celtics are the highest – 15.8
later
I know right
add in the poor poor shooting night and no Shaq and they still scored 110 and with that 4th quarter D almost won the game.
Jump or don’t jump. It’s hard to say but tonight’s results will either push me closer to the edge or pull way back.
Big bounce back / revenge game.
Blogging Suns Basketball
Freaking awesome breakdown
Great breakdown of a breakdown, Stan. I’m upset that the Suns lost, but I think in the long run, this is actually going to be a positive. Giving up the winning shot to a veteran Spurs team when a new acquisition misses a rotation is one thing. Giving it up to the Pacers ought to hammer home the importance of knowing your role on defense.
Its sort of inevitable
when you bring in new people and change things this much that these are the types things that will happen. When they talk about a team having played together for a long time..these are the things they are talking about.
That’s why I am not a big fan of the mid-season big trades or the feeling that you can just swap players out like on a fantasy league.
Well, this guy puts up 15 and 7 and shoots 47% and this guy gets 1.4 steals per game and….you get the point.
Teams that play together and know each other don’t make these mistakes. Young teams and teams in transition do. Its a price you pay for change.
Blogging Suns Basketball
These guys had 18 days where they only played 4 games
It’s up to the head coach to use that extended practice time effectively to get everybody on the same page.
With Mike D, one at least had the feeling that he had a plan, and knew what we wanted to do. He would not have wasted the opportunity presented to him by the light schedule.
With Terry, I’m not so sure.
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by Pliny the Elder on Jan 9, 2009 10:42 AM MST reply actions
Richardson
We are 6-3 with Richardson. It is good to note that he figured prominently in two of the losses, the last second loss to the Spurs, and this one. You might say he figured in the other one, but I am not sure how much of Roy’s 52 points were scored on Jason.
Spurs game – he clearly screwed up, leaving Mason open
Pacers – He screwed up twice, once by shooting too early off the offensive rebound, and twice by changing the defensive call.
I am going to try to be fair by saying the six games won were surely helped along by his shooting. My impression of him when he was in college was a streak shooter and dunker who occasionally made bonehead plays – he sure made some against Arizona in the NCAAs.
Bottom line, Porter needs to take him aside and calm him down, stress the team more, and try to get him to see the big picture at the end of games. Otherwise, he needs to sit. I for one feel Barnes should have been in there.
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