options for back-up centers
While watching the game on TNT last night i heard the announcers say that Steve Kerr was quoted as saying that the suns were actively looking for a back-up center (or something to that effect). Has anyone heard about any guys out there the suns are looking at or any other possible options? Ideally i guess we'll be looking for an athletic guy that can rebound, run the floor, protect the basket, and basically be big, i know not many back-up centers in the league pose all of these qualities or even two or three of these options, but who's out there and is up for grabs?
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The Mavs haven’t played him for even 1 minute, and that’s the pre-season when they are testing out their depth.
I’m sure they would be open to let him go.
The only issue is his match fitness which, may not quite be up to scratch. Tho you still get a man-mountain that you can throw at Gasol/bynum etc…
by Chucko on Oct 12, 2009 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Dale Davis
I’m not kidding, he is still playing. I think on Detroit’s bench.
April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?
PAT BURKE
we could totally use him. He’s probably in Ireland hiding underneath a bridge with his club, waiting for villagers to pass by.
by DIIIPhoenixfan on Oct 12, 2009 10:49 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
What’s with the Pat Burke mockery? And who knows if he would come back to the Suns after the two-year benching he got here?
by species8473 on Oct 12, 2009 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions
Pat Burke was not a good player. Maybe he hit a couple shots here and there, but what do you think he would have done with 30mpg, turn into Tim Duncan?
by Wil Cantrell on Oct 12, 2009 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions
hiding underneath a bridge with his club, waiting for villagers to pass by.
that’s funny stuff.
by Wil Cantrell on Oct 12, 2009 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions
if we want to look at some younger, D-League type guys
besides Sims, there’s chris hunter and lance allred who both made the D-League all star teams last year along with Sims. and Steven Hill, who sounds the most like Robin Lopez.
I loved Steven Hill
in Vegas two summers ago. The big Arkansas mountain man of a dude w/ scruffy beard and all. No offense to speak of but he’s long and played hard.
I still am intrigued by Sims of course
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by Seth Pollack on Oct 12, 2009 6:05 PM MDT up reply actions
ah, i do remember steven hill.
how can you forget that beard?
and, i’ll always be intrigued by sims.
by Trevor Paxton on Oct 12, 2009 9:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Kerr
Kerr is going to go with the cheapest available option. If we are lucky maybe he can find a “dirt worker” diamond in the rough like Lightning Lou Amundson.
Then again the cheapest available option is to not sign anyone.
Too bad
Chuck Nevitt is not still pklaying
April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?
Ha, funny thing is I remember that big white shadow. Not playing, but sitting on the bench. Which brings up an odd memory. I remember watching a game, may have been in person. He was on the Pistons and as they were standing, listening to the coach at a timeout, Nevitt was massaging another bench player’s neck, slowly. It was weird then when I was 10 or so, and it still seems weird.
by Wil Cantrell on Oct 13, 2009 2:11 PM MDT up reply actions
What about
Remember when we had Bell and Diaw and Matrix….We use to run Stat at the C and Diaw and Matrix would play the SF/PF spot…What’s wrong with doing that again?…I don’t know how long Lopez is supposed to be out…I’ll look in a minute…But isn’t Frye tall and long?…Taller and longer that Diaw or Matrix….I would have to say this is the most complete team we have had in years…That was the only bad thing I ever thought about D’Antoni…He never had/used his bench….I know Stat didn’t like playing center though…So can Frye play and bang at all down low?…
Starters:
Nash
Richardson
Hill
Stoudemire
Frye
2nd Unit:
Dragic
Barbosa
Dudley
Amundson
Lopez
That leaves the rookies, Clark and Griffin, to be rookies…Playing in garbage time and if someone is injured…The real need I see on this team is the same need it has had for years…Backup PG….I’ve seen NOTHING from this Dragic kid….Talk about someone that seems to clam up under the bright lights….Anyone remember who drafted that nice young PG in Boston?…Oh yeah, we did and then sold him….That’s a whole other blog…
Don’t get down on this Griffin kid though…I’ve seen you all stick with Dragic, so you can definitely stick with Griffin…I live in OKC and saw plenty of Sooner games…This kid will work harder than anyone…He will make up for whatever talent he is lacking with hard work….Again, if you like Dragic and Amundson, you will love Griffin….
If we did have to get another big though, what about that Iranian center in Memphis…He isn’t seeing the floor on that roster…He was all the rage after the Olympics, so what about him?…Can’t get him or really not worth it?…
Dragon Whisperer
It’s too bad you’re a Dragic hater. I don’t think anything I say will change your mind… but whatever, I’ll at least humor myself.
In the NBA the PG is one of the most difficult positions and development is ordinarily slow especially for players who come up and fill a back-up position for their first few years. Just ask that one guy with 2 MVP trophies, who came into the league as a 3rd option behind two hall of fame point-guards in KJ and Jason Kidd… Now keep that fresh and check it:
- It’s tough for rookies in the NBA – let alone for foreign 20-something year old rookies to come to a far away land and have to adapt to the change in culture both on and off the court. Add to that the roller-coaster season the Suns had and it can easily be said that his rookie year was abnormally chalked full of adversity.
- Dragic was Jekyll & Hyde-like under the two coaches last year. In 51 games under T.P., Dragic only stepped on the court in 26 of them, averaging around 12 MPG… yet when A.G. took the reigns Dragic played in 29 of the 31 games he coached as the Suns head coach and averaged nearly 14.5 MPG… Not only did T.P. bury Dragic on the bench – but under A.G. Dragic’s numbers improved in every category. His PPG went from 2.92 to 5.86 – he averaged an assist more p/g and nearly doubled both his FG and 3PG percentages from 28.7 and 18.2 to 41.3 and 40.2% respectively.
- Comparing Dragic to Rondo doesn’t quite make sense to make your point… given Rondo entered the league playing a lot of minutes and in more games – if you take Dragic’s per minute stats and give him as many minutes as Rondo, the numbers would be VERY close… OH except for the fact that Rondo can’t shoot free throws and Tim Duncan probably could beat him in a 3 point shooting contest. With that – Rajon didn’t even have a supposedly ‘break-out’ season until last year.. after he was a starter for a whole season (with numbers that aren’t exactly eye-popping) on the NBA Championship team. Dragic is taller – stronger – maybe not as athletic (though Dragic has some sick crossovers and iso/fastbreak moves) – but definitely a better defender that Rondo in my opinion.
- If you want to compare… compare him to Jarryd Bayless who was a lottery pick (11th overall) last year in the same draft (Dragic the 45th pick) and played about as much as Dragic did last year. I’ll make it easy for you – here is a chart.
- Just for fun you should check out Nash’s numbers for his first two seasons (random fact: both Nash and Dragic came into the league at age 22). I’ll say it again, point guards who come into the league as back-ups (especially behind big minute hall of famers) take longer to develop.
Dragic is one of the hard workers on the team like you mentioned, and he wants to learn. He came back to Phoenix this offseason with 15 more pounds of muscle and has shown a lot of improvement through his Summer and Euro-League stints. I think in the near future we will see all the hype about the Dragon materialize and produce beautiful fruit for Phoenix – BUT in the meantime… we just signed our 2 (will be 3 after this year)-time MVP to a contract extension so Goran Dragic will have plenty of time to develop into the PG we need him to be.
P.s. – I know it might be overkill – but I like this kid. At planetorange.net my SN is Magic_Dragic so go figure I would jump on you… you especially lit me up with the whole
I’ve seen NOTHING from this Dragic kid….Talk about someone that seems to clam up under the bright lights…
That’s like blood in the water for me!! haha ;)
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
This would help
I think would actually help both teams…The Grizz have nothing at SF behing Gay…I think Taylor would fit into our offense better than Dragic…I don’t know….Seems like it would be a good trade…Opinions?
"I think this would actually help both teams"
Not according to Hollinger, he projects -6 wins for the Grizz….
That being said, i think Hollinger is a stats fool.
by Chucko on Oct 16, 2009 12:02 AM MDT up reply actions
He's right on this one
You have Iverson, Randolph, Gay, and Mayo – four guys who are ball hogs always looking at their stats, not to mention low percentage shooters who show minimal interest in defense. Grizz should have kept Kevin Love.
April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?
oops
the link to the trade might help huh
I didnt mean to
I wasn’t trying to be a Dragic hater…I just havent seen anything close to what he was hyped up to be…Granted I live in OK and dont get to see as many Suns games as I’d like…I just havent seen it…Also the point of the trade was Haddadi for Tucker with the PGs thrown in to make the numbers match…The Grizz are stacked at C just like we are at SF…The Grizz are also thin at SF as we are at C….just thought it was a trade that made sense from that standpoint…
I also wasnt trying to compare Dragic to Rondo….That was mostly a comment made from my frustration after looking at a website showing the Suns recent drafts….We have drafted well…Well we did when it was Colangelo….But then we trade them or sell them….Rajon Rondo, Rudy Fernandez, Luol Deng to name just a few….I’m sorry if I’m in the minority, but its my personal opinion that Dragic and Tucker are our most expendable pieces that might also have some value….Meaning that losing them would impact the team less while still possibly getting a contributing piece in return…I just dont see where two perimeter guys with no perimeter game have a place on this team…I wish for the best for both of them but you can always improve…
+1
I agree that Dragic hasn’t shown anything near what he was hyped up to be, but i disagree that he has any value whatsoever as trade bait. :)
by Chucko on Oct 18, 2009 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions
We could trade him
to the Spurs for DeHuan Blair. Oh. Forget it. We did that.
April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?
Hawk42
Everytime I see that I get pissed off I just wrote about that..I wish we could get a “do-over” we should’ve just bought a 1st round pick like Dever draft Clark Lawson and Blair..that would’ve been a good draft..Instead we’re stuck with the poor man version of the Lopez Sisters..we get one half of the Collins sisters..

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