You Remember That One Trade?
by Eutychus on Oct 21, 2009 1:43 AM MDT
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Regardless of whether you agreed with the trade at the time or not, I'm starting to think that those who were quick to take brownie points away from Steve Kerr and feed them to their dog, should probably get started baking him a new batch.
Here are some headlines that made me smile.
"Bobcats waiting for Bell to break out of it." - CharlotteObserver.com
Then it was:
"Cats' "Bell may need wrist surgery." - ESPN.com
and
First it was:
"Same old,same old for the Bobcats." - Lexington Dispatch"Will Boris Diaw continue his run of form that nearly resulted in postseason play? Or will he go back to obscurity?"
Then it was:
"Bobcats itching for Chandler after another bruising loss." - CharlotteObserver.com"Power forward Boris Diaw also missed most of the preseason, after suffering an ankle sprain while playing for the French national team. Diaw played 20 minutes Sunday, totaling seven points, three rebounds and three assists. "Obviously Boris is way out of shape,'' Brown said."
While on over here in Phoenix there is this:
"Suns show positives in narrow win." -AZ Central.com"Suns coach Alvin Gentry consistently has praised Jason Richardson's defensive effort"
And:
"Dudley becoming a Suns' 'Bowen'." -AZ Central.comAny offense Dudley can provide is a plus for a scoring-lean second unit but he earns his time on defense. He entered Friday leading the NBA preseason in steals and increased his average to 3.4 with five steals."
Not that anyone cares - but I jumped for joy when we traded Diaw, and especially when I saw who we would get in return. Like many - I didn't know what a steal Dudley was then, but I'm loving it now. I don't think there has ever been a Suns player more frustrating to watch than Boris, I almost threw up a little in my mouth everytime Eddie Johnson or Dan Majerle would ask out loud while commentating, "why did he pass that?" or "why didn't he take that shot?".
Plus - to have his huge D'Antoni sized 9Mil+ contract that was rotting the bench away gobbled up by some unsuspecting sucker was great as well... I think I know who got the short end of this stick.
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While we're doing trade post mortems
How about the JJ trade? At first we thought it was horrible. Then we thought we robbed the Hawks when Diaw had the great 2006 and James Jones was shooting lights out. Then JJ became an All Star and all of the sudden it was a bad trade, as we saw Boris regress, and Jones couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn.
Then with the draft looming and Horford and Noah coming out, we thought the trade was great. Then the Hawks beat the odds and moved up in the lottery, and we discovered the foolish Suns FO didn’t demand the pick be unprotected. Then the trade looked better when we were drooling over Batun, McGee, and Speights – and we got Robin Lopez. All of the sudden the trade was a dog.
The trade got better when Diaw was shipped to Charlotte along with Bell for Jrich and Dudley. Since Dudley is becoming the defensive presence that Bell was, let’s say for the sake of discussion that Diaw brought us Richardson. Here is how it has worked out so far:
Atlanta gets Joe Johnson
Phoenix gets Boris Diaw, who becomes Jason Richardson
trade exception which becomes James Jones, which becomes $3 million
Draft pick which becomes Robin Lopez
In effect, Joe Johnson for Jason Richardson, Robin Lopez, and cash
would you do that trade? I’d send it all back for JJ.
April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?
by Hawk42 on Oct 21, 2009 6:55 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
But Joe Johnson didn't want to be here
where he wasn’t “the man”… so unless he’s humbled up he probably wouldn’t want to come back.
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
by Eutychus on Oct 21, 2009 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lots of people don't want to be where they are at
That’s no reason to make a bad trade. Also, pro basketball players are so finicky. They just need a little ego stroking. Which Sarver did not do.
Another thing, I heard JJ isn’t even considering another Atlanta contract.
April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?
by Hawk42 on Oct 21, 2009 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hawk...please stop it
I haven’t gotten over the fact that we made that stupid trade of Joe Johnson for spare parts. It was so obvious dude was gonna be a stud (6’7, long, could handle the rock, defend, and had a sweet ass jumper)….he in a weird way reminded me of Penny…just not quite the passing ability Penny had…..now he is a superstar…I hate it…although I would have gladly taken Al Horford with that UNCONDITIONAL PICK that we never got back…
09/10 lineup could have looked like this:
C- Al Horford
PF- Amare
SF-Earl Clark
SG-Hill
PG-Nash
by ron_dasun on Oct 21, 2009 6:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry, man.
April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?
by Hawk42 on Oct 21, 2009 9:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
What story Is true
I keep hearing two different stories one story says as mentioned above is Joe didn’t like being the 3rd or 4th wheel behind Amare Nash and even Matrix another was that he left because Sarver wouldn’t pay him what he deserved…I personally believe the second seeing how Sarver said around All-Star weekend he regrets signing Joe Johnson. Johnson reminds me of a guard Rashard Lewis he’s great as your second or 3rd best player but you’ll never win a championship if he’s your best player..
by marques m on Oct 24, 2009 8:58 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy Smokes
JJ is a much better shooter than Rashard Lewis. However, he is at best a second star. If he would have been patient, he would have become the 2nd star behind STAT, and paid max money. But he hadn’t earned it yet. 17 points and 3 assists is not max production. His defense should have been better, and he was prone to turnovers. If the Suns would have given him what he wanted in 2004, he would still be here. These athletes are all the same. It wasn’t being ‘the man’. It was all about the money.
April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?
by Hawk42 on Oct 25, 2009 5:54 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I admit that at least intellectually while I want boris back
I have felt a greater sense of peace with him gone.
Wondering what to drink to during suns games...
by ZonaFlash on Oct 21, 2009 3:21 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
A lot of underage Scottsdale girls miss him.
April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?
by Hawk42 on Oct 21, 2009 4:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget chubby
underage, chubby girls
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on Oct 22, 2009 9:17 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
the french!
Wondering what to drink to during suns games...
by ZonaFlash on Oct 22, 2009 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Full French
I miss him
Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @phoenixstan
by Phoenix Stan on Oct 22, 2009 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Larry Brown
is getting tired of his inconsistency. Imagine that!
April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?
by Hawk42 on Oct 23, 2009 10:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dudley the man
I was glad to see Boris go, but I have to say I was sad to see Bell go. I believe you are of base about Bell because you could not for see Bells injury. Go Suns though…………..
by PhxSuns#7 on Oct 21, 2009 6:10 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
True
You can’t foresee an injury – that’s why in hindsight this trade looks even that much sweeter! :)
I was almost sad to see him go too but his glory days were over – he wasn’t the lock-down defender Suns fans had hyped him to be. His climax was the Kobe clothesline… it was downhill from there
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
by Eutychus on Oct 21, 2009 10:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahaaaaa
as a fantasy bball maniac I knew about Dudley and how he was able to put up some nice stats in diverse categories. yeah
Libertarianism is just Anarchy for rich people
by Murcy on Oct 22, 2009 12:32 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
you just had to remind me of Joe Johnson
and of yet another time a certain “class of the NBA” team derailed Suns title hopes with thug tactics….Since when is undercutting someone and breaking his face and body checking a guy half your size classy?….Oh wait, thats just good defense when its “them”…
by NSU Stud on Oct 22, 2009 11:14 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
No it is just Jerry Stackhouse
he is the dumb jock who said he couldn’t play with Michael Jordan. Of course the Mavs parlayed his useless butt into Shawn Marion.
April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?
by Hawk42 on Oct 23, 2009 10:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
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