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Gentry Concerned About Rebounding, Nash Not Sure "What We Are"

The Phoenix Suns understand that they need to improve their rebounding and defense to achieve their goals this season. (Photo by Max Simbron)

The Phoenix Suns understand that they need to improve their rebounding and defense to achieve their goals this season. (Photo by Max Simbron)

The Phoenix Suns finished the preseason 4-4 including a win over a team from Belgrade, Serbia who plays without any of the top Serbian players.

Offensively, the Suns had the second highest point total (109) but only shot 44% from the field and gave up 45% to their opponents. The brightest spot had to be finishing 3rd with 10.62 steals per game behind Jared Dudley's league leading 2.88 spg.

Of course, the worst stat coming out of the eight warm-up games was rebounding. The Suns had a dismal -8.87 rebound differential which was almost twice as bad as the 29th place Golden State Warriors who were -4.76.

Depending on who you listen to the preseason either matters a lot or it means nothing.

Coach Gentry comes down on the side of meaningless, "I think it's typical what you'd think of a preseason. You get real excited about some games and then you get real concerned about other ones. I just never have, you know other than conditioning and things like that, I don't really read a lot into the preseason. If you go back and look I think over the last 10 years San Antonio's got a pretty bad preseason record. I ain't seen anybody yet get a trophy for having the best preseason record."

Nash on the other hand isn't so sanguine about the results, "See, I'm of the belief that you can't turn it on or off. I would love to say that we should be a lot better (when the season starts) but I wouldn't count on that. That's why these practice days are important."

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The key concern for Gentry is the rebounding. He called it the one thing that bothers him the most and his one worry. The issue according to the Coach isn't hustle or effort. He feels like his guys are doing everything they are asked and he's pleased with the rebounding effort from the wings - especially Richardson and Hill who both averaged 4.3 rebounds per game in the preseason.

"Between Amare and Channing they're going to play 62 to 65 minutes. In some kind of way we need between 16 or 18 rebounds from them. They know that. We've talked about that. I think that's going to be key for us," said Gentry.

He talked about needing to box out better and to getting better at their rebounding technique including face guarding to prevent their man from getting to the ball. Gentry didn't think the defensive rotations were a problem and doesn't feel like the Suns are switching smalls on to bigs too much.

While surprised by how big an issue it is, Gentry still thinks the Suns can get better and come up with boards down the stretch in close games. He also was willing to allow that Frye might still be adjusting to playing 30 minutes a game after barley seeing any consistent court time in the last two years.

Gentry recognizes the problem and is committed to seeing improvement, "It's something that we'll get better at during the year. So even initially if it's not happening we're not going to panic with it because we're trying to put something in place for the long term. So even if we struggle with it early we're going to stay on top of it and we'll try and get better at it."

For Suns fans the best thing to hear at least is that the team understands the problem and is addressing it as best they can.

 

 

Steve Nash - "This year I don't think we really know what we are"

Nash today was definitely not happy with where the team is and questioned if the Suns were even ready for the season, "I don't know. We'll see. I don't think anyone feels like we know what we'll be. We're just trying to get better every day. If we're ready great. If we're not we've just got to try and get better and better throughout the season and turn ourselves into a really good team."

It can't be encouraging to hear this kind of talk from Nash so early in the season. You get the sense that he's not satisfied with where the team is (which is a good thing) but at same time he doesn't seem nearly as positive today as he was a few weeks ago. No need to panic, it's just one day.

Nash talked about the season presenting a different kind of stress than in years past where the external expectations were so high. But when asked if there was any freedom to having lower expectations, Nash replied, "Not for me. I expect good things. It's painful for me if we're not really really good."

Steve's standards for the season are simple. He expects to make the playoffs and he expects the team to play up to it's potential. So far, he's not seeing that, "Sometimes we've been a little bit sloppy. We need to demand more of ourselves."

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i bet steve kerr is rethinking his decision to not take dejuan blair…

by kuato lives on Oct 25, 2009 4:17 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

he said he wanted to take him in the 2nd round but coudnt package deal to move up in the second round, its a shame it would be like barkley’s second coming.

by phxuk: Ap on Oct 25, 2009 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or at the very least rethinking his decision to trade the pick that San Antonio used to draft Blair

:(

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Oct 25, 2009 5:52 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re-bound-what

Obviously Fry is going to wonder to the 3point line on offence to open up the paint for Amare and help out with the pick and roll so there are not going to be a lot of offensive rebounds for him but defensively where the most rebounds comes from if they cant get an average of 15 rebounds between them in a game then they seriously need a seeing to.

On another note if the front office is thinking about getting someone until RO LO comes back please be some kind of rebounding expert first then some kind of defensive anchor who can obviously run.

Obviously schedule is going to be tough with a lot of away games but if we are 12-8 in first 20 games then I will be happy.

by phxuk: Ap on Oct 25, 2009 4:29 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

magical rebounding practice day

I think they need dennis rodman to come in and do a mighty ducks style good-hearted all day clinic on rebounding. Everybody smiles, violence gets out of hand slightly, a new tough guy emerges, amare finally mans up, and frye goes out and gets like 15 on opening night. Emilio Estevez makes a cameo halfway through the montage, I can hear Rodman leading the quacking now.

If this doesn’t happen, i fear that it is going to be drastically apparent how bad the rebounding is early on and kerr is going to do something stupid to try and fix it. Little things like boxing out and crashing the boards even if your out on the perimeter. It all leads back to Amare. He is the force down low and needs to start holding himself responsible for and taking pride in the rebounding performance and getting the other “bigs” on board with that philosophy. Just because you are a starter or a star doesn’t mean you can’t get your hands dirty. Where is Hans, I need my skates sharpened.

"Hes very cerebral when he plays out there"--Hubie

by Snowbird on Oct 25, 2009 6:14 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

The problem is that being good at rebounding takes work..

probably the hardest thing in pro ball to be really good at. And it takes hours of watching film and practice to be good.

Sure, there are players who rely on their athleticism, and are naturally good rebounders (Barkley, for instance), and some players who have such good fundamentals, and pay attention to the flow of the game, such that they are subsequently good (Bird, for instance). But, Rodman had amazing athleticism, strong fundamentals, and he worked his ass off watching film and in practice. Which is why he’s the best rebounder ever.

Just to point out how good Rodman was: in 94-95, his Total rebounding percentage was 29.73%, and the top 7 seasons of TRP belong to Rodman. The best season, since 1970-71, by a player not named Rodman: Danny Fortson in 98-99, with 23.7%.

Other than Nash and Hill, I’m not sure we have any players with both athleticism and fundamentals, let alone the work ethic to do grunt work to get better.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Oct 25, 2009 11:05 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

he also

did absolutely nothing else on the court. and at times was seen walking to the other end of the floor.

TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"

by antiw0rm on Oct 26, 2009 7:17 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

if by absolutely nothing else, you mean he didn't score..

then you would be right.

However, he was a monster man and team/positional defender (2 time DPOY, and should have won more), and could (and did) defend all 5 positions on the court. Stats not withstanding, he was a great passer, especially in the outlet, and was also great at setting offensive picks. Possessed amazing positional and game flow awareness, and a genius level basketball IQ.

Most importantly, he was the greatest practitioner of psychological warfare on the court since Russell, and considering his competition included people like Bird, Jordan and Bill Laimbeer, that’s saying a lot.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Oct 26, 2009 9:24 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

The guy, whatever else he might be, was a winner and did the little things that don’t necessarily show up in his personal stat line. The little things make the difference between winning and losing and good teams and great teams.

by eagleheart on Oct 27, 2009 1:20 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is Nash having an identity crisis or a midlife crisis?

what is he even talking about anymore?

I thought dumping shaq would make him all better.

Wondering what to drink to during suns games...

by ZonaFlash on Oct 26, 2009 1:59 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I am inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt

and say he was having a bad day crisis

lets see how it looks in a few weeks before we call it a full blown crisis

But I do wonder how the team will respond to getting its ass kicked a few times during the regular season. That lowered expectations thing can work both ways where guys could just start mailing it in. You wouldn’t think that would happen w/ this group but you wouldn’t think last season would have ever happened either

Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @phoenixstan

by Phoenix Stan on Oct 26, 2009 7:58 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

talking

He’s talking about a lack of talent crisis or lack of players with the right skills to be a rounded team crisis

by eagleheart on Oct 26, 2009 6:24 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Did anyone

Did anyone notice the word “crisis”. Never a good word to throw around at this time of year. I don’t hear this word being tossed around LA or San Antonio right before the season :(

go suns!

by eagleheart on Oct 26, 2009 10:18 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Did we notice the word ‘crisis’ where? In ZonaFlash’s comment? In Phoenix Stan’s comment? In your comment? Why do we care what words are being tossed around in LA or SA?

They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...

by Eutychus on Oct 26, 2009 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

OMG Did someone say CRISIS?!?

Quick trade everyone but LB (Cos everyone knows he needs to start), and get whatever you can for them! it’s all going down!
/sc.

Everyone just relax, the season’s about to start, the wild speculation on what the season can bring will stop and we can see exactly how these suns are going to gel together.

by Chucko on Oct 26, 2009 7:17 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...

by Eutychus on Oct 27, 2009 1:35 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Preseason = Rusty Amare

Until STAT is back dunking with abandon, the rebounding numbers will look bad. Until then, the Suns will be shooting alot of turnovers.

by dCoye on Oct 26, 2009 8:56 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

the "dunking with abandon" STAT is never coming back

Trust me, I’ve seen him the last 5 years. The microfracture surgery had a permanent effect on him. Look at the first Nash/Amare season. He was running off those screens and killing it on his dunks. Now? He’s still an explosive big man, but it’s more of a matter of “for his size” relativilty. Before? You would say he was an explosive player, period. The lack of playing time and practice due to the eye injury certainly doesn’t help, but he’s never gonna be the 2004-2005 Amare.

And I hate to say it, but he just doesn’t have the killer instinct or the work ethic to really develop himself into anything but a scoring forward. Every year we hear he’s gonna work on this or that. He’s got a good jumpshot for a big player. But aside from that and his dunking, what do we have? A guy who doesn’t seem to work hard for the rebounds, is at best a workable help defender.

All that said, with the jumpshot he has, and his speed given his size, he can work his offense. But that won’t affect rebounding.

by Max Simbron on Oct 26, 2009 9:19 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Teammates

Given that Amare is an exceptional scoring forward player, in order to maximize his usefulness we should surround him with teammates that can cover his weaknesses (defense, rebounding). That is why Marion and Stat were great a great duo. The thing we were missing was a complementary center.

We should keep him and get him a complementary front line (Jaron Collins is NOT part of the solution) or else we should trade him and construct our team around someone else.

by eagleheart on Oct 27, 2009 1:28 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean like

drafting a big defensive center at #15 instead of another scoring big man like Speights or McGee?

Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @phoenixstan

by Phoenix Stan on Oct 27, 2009 8:52 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I still have hope that Lopez can do that for us.

They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...

by Eutychus on Oct 27, 2009 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Suns

Just finished writing about Steve Kerr, The Phoenix Suns and the upcoming NBA Season. http://dunkshots.blogspot.com

by REAIV on Oct 28, 2009 12:06 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

I got in my RSS and linked to your post

Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @phoenixstan

by Phoenix Stan on Oct 28, 2009 9:10 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs


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