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Jarron Collins is not the answer


With all the articles around Jarron Collins that he can be signed as a free agent to answer the lack of rebounding, can we not just continue the trade in which Amare was supposed to go to Goldenstate for Biedrins, Azubuike and (supposedly Curry). I don't really care much about Azubuike or Curry, but Biedrins alone can help us with rebounding and front court defense. I know he lacks the scoring instinct Amare has, but our current front court is consisted of 6'10 & 6'11 guys not known for rebounding and defense. The front office should revive trade talks with Goldenstate that has Biedrins in it with or without Curry.

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Who do we need right now and possibly for future plans?
Andris Biedrins' 11 pts 11 rbs 1 stl 1.5 blks, raises his hand when someone tries to shoot over me and methodically box-out everyone on paint to grab rebounds
20 votes
Amare Stoudemire's 21 pts 8 rbs .9 stl 1.1 blk/s, stare you down when you shoot over me and pray to God you miss, and just stand 3 to 5 feet away from the basket in hopes some ball would fall my way co'z its to stressful to jump and extend my arms
61 votes

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Biedrins

This team needs a serious makeover. Starting over with 22yr old Andris Biedrins and his reasonable-for-a-big-man 9 mil a yr contract is a good start. I’d ship out Grant Hill and Richardson next after Amare. Grant has got to go because he doesn’t fit in a rebuilding team, plays a position that is easily replaceable (ie Jared Dudley) and he has some value. Richardson has to go because his contract sucks and we could easily replace him with whatever spare parts GS adds in with a Stoudemire trade (ie Azibuke, Morrow etc).

by eagleheart on Oct 26, 2009 3:32 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Do you think we could get Troy Murphy for Jason Richardson?

by Spit_Fire on Oct 26, 2009 9:01 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

"I’m tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok." ~Shaq

by Max_in_Missouri on Oct 27, 2009 2:53 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

With all the articles around Jarron Collins that he can be signed as a free agent to answer the lack of rebounding

Collins was/is not going to be signed to “answer the lack of rebounding.” He would be signed as a replacement 5 for the injured Robin Lopez. A look at Collins’ career numbers confirms that he really isn’t the answer to any of the Suns problems, just a replacement. Let’s also keep in mind, it’s still only a rumor, and Paul Coro noted it would be a “tryout.”

can we not just continue the trade in which Amare was supposed to go to Goldenstate for Biedrins, Azubuike and (supposedly Curry).

Obviously not. Golden State backed out of the trade on draft night. In order to be more marketable (or eligible for he’s desired max extension), Amare needs to consistently show he’s healthy, and play like one of the top PF’s in the game, that is, return to his pre injury self. He may already be there, but judging him on his preseason numbers isn’t the best way to evaluate where he’s at.

The front office should revive trade talks with Goldenstate that has Biedrins in it with or without Curry.

Would you want to do business with GS again? This is the team whose professional tandem of Don Nelson and Larry Riley backed out of that draft night deal once Curry fell into their lap. I’m sure Steve Kerr was more than a bit upset at that embarrassment and the damage control he had to perform afterwards.

by Wil Cantrell on Oct 26, 2009 9:32 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

After we dont need Jarron Collins you lost me

Lets quit with the dumb Amare trades Azibuke isn’t needed..Stephen Curry hasen’t been impressive and Biedrins cant score lus hes not worth 9 mil a yr..If we were to go out and get someone it should be a Kurt Thomas or a Dajuan Blair..Quit trying to trade the team..Everyone wants to bring in all these Warriors but they’re loosers they’re in the lottery every year..If we get enough of them we’ll suck too.. Amare is our best offensive weapon dont trade him..nobody is gonna take richardsons contract. in this economy.. we keep trying to get these players that can defend and rebound but they cant score..Look at our bench Amundson Lopez Dudley all try hard but they’re no scoring threats if Barbosa isnt scoring our bench isnt worth anything..

by marques m on Oct 26, 2009 4:09 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Defense like Rebounding is all about desire and anticipation

Amundson and Dudley already has the defense part of their game. Now they need to be coached on their offense. You are right about Amare being our best offensive weapon and yet he is also one of the biggest flaws in the defense. Every year we read about defensive commitment and every season we get out -rebounded by teams that has a solid frontcourt defense i.e. , Gasol / Bynum & Aldridge / Pryzbilla. We will not always shoot more than 50% on FG or 45% on 3pt. Teams like Lakers and the Trailblazers will not get out-rebounded by the Suns, but we need to reduce that disparity in the rebound totals.

The Suns have never had issues on where the offense comes from. But we had issues on defense. Mending the rebound disparity problem against such teams would really help the team.

by Spit_Fire on Oct 26, 2009 5:25 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

We will always be outrebounded. With what we got, we need a big lineup to be competitive with the Spurs, Lakers, Blazers. We need a frontline of Amare, Frye and Lopez out there together. Or we need to rebuild as I described above to get the right players.

by eagleheart on Oct 26, 2009 6:35 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Calais Campbell

Suns need to sign this guy as a power forward: 6-8, 290 and athletic. I’d like ti see a guy like him put Duncan on his butt.

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on Oct 26, 2009 7:15 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

He was immense last night Go CARDS!!!

by phxuk: Ap on Oct 26, 2009 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

He was immense last night Go CARDS!!!

by phxuk: Ap on Oct 26, 2009 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would Amare for Biedrins and Jackson go down?

Sorry about that. Would this trade have more feasibility of happening? Jackson wants to go, and GS is only a parlor trick without some low-post scoring threat. Biedrins can’t even put up the scoring numbers that Doris did the year Amare was out. (Alternatively, would we become a parlor trick if we lost Amare?). Would a starting lineup of Biedrins, Frye, Jackson, Richardson, and Nash be better defensively and from a rebounding standpoint? I think so. Offensively, lots of firepower on the wing, but no low post threat or pick and roll. Tricky indeed.

We need help in D and rebounding downlow now, I have a bad feeling about it getting ugly early on. Nobody on the wire is going to truly help and Fropez will not pan out, a trade is going to have to happen. What trade? Kerr is crazy, it could be anything

"Hes very cerebral when he plays out there"--Hubie

by Snowbird on Oct 26, 2009 10:00 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

The NBA... Where Fan Panic Happens.

I think I’ve heard this conversation before… and I thought it was just as retarded then.

This is crazy talk to me.

The season hasn’t even started and everyone is in a mad panic. At least give it few (like 20) real games until you all start to burn the house down.

They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...

by Eutychus on Oct 26, 2009 10:05 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

The Sky is FAlling!

Let’s wait until the bus has crashed before doing anything! That’s how GMs keep their jobs and coaches get fired.

by eagleheart on Oct 26, 2009 10:20 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I say let’s at least give the bus a chance to drive…

They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...

by Eutychus on Oct 26, 2009 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

…and it’s also how you get sweet ass memorials dedicated to you!

"I’m tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok." ~Shaq

by Max_in_Missouri on Oct 27, 2009 2:56 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fan panic... haha

The answer isnt trading amare, its finding someone to compliment him. Trade Grant, Amare, and JRich? You’d end up with the basketball version of the Bad News Bears.

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by ifiredterryporter.com on Oct 26, 2009 12:00 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

next season

im sure we will sign a scrub to fill out the bench unitl Lopez comes back and im sure when we get 8th seed and get bounced in the first round of the playoffs by the Fakers and we go into the off season the front office will look for a big body to sign in Free Agency.

as we have the last pick of the draft in the second round who im sure will be a scrub i dont we will find a gem.

by phxuk: Ap on Oct 26, 2009 1:09 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

This article is ridiculous.

No. We should not trade Amare for Biedrins. Thats asinine as foolish talk. For one, all Beans gives us is rebounding. We may not have that this year, but we can easily get it next year from either the draft or sign or trade. Why get rid of arguably the best PF in the game and your future perennial All-Star for boards? Answer, you wouldn’t. Yes, the Suns may suck at boards this year and may lose a lot because of it. But I am more than willing to have a bad year this year and pick up a big in the summer and keep Amare then trade amare, likely get NO results at all then try to find comparable talent in the draft or via a sign.

IDIOTIC!

Go read a book!

by N8lol on Oct 26, 2009 4:41 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Disagree

I don’t agree with you that fixing our rebounding and defensive deficiencies will be easily rectified next off season. See how Steve Kerr was able to address it this season, Jarron frickin Collins, frickin yay.

No one is suggesting a straight up trade of Beans for Amare. We have no first round draft pick next year. Beans for Amare salaries don’t match. So extra stuff must be included. Those other players would come over would also help us gain a new identity. If Steve Kerr had any kind of prowess as GM, we’d get draft picks and some of the young talent from GS that might actually thrive when not coached by Nellie. Or those spare parts could be packaged and shipped to someone else. You have to think big picture as a GM. You have to look two or three moves ahead. There are draft picks, trade exceptions, other teams players they are willing to move, your teams holes, and the salary cap etc to consider. You are retarded if you only see “if I trade this guy, I get this guy”

by eagleheart on Oct 27, 2009 1:41 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nope.

I think you are slightly underestimating the amount of pick ups possible this offseason. I know the hype around the Summer of 2010 and how it has been somewhat debunked by some writers and bloggers. Fine. My point still stands (which, by the way, you really didn’t address). Why would you trade Amare for ANYONE that GS can offer? The answer is you wouldn’t, especially for some unknown draft pick or “young talent” or “spare parts.” And even more indicative of my point is that this post is all about solving rebounding issues. I agree that we are bad at rebounding but trading with GS is not the answer and is actually quite dumb.

So, in reply, YOU are retarded if you think “spare parts” “young talent” and potential draft picks (which haven’t come up at all in a discussion of trading Amare to GS) are worth one of the best PFs in the game in an illadvised attempt to solve our rebounding woes.

Go read a book!

by N8lol on Oct 30, 2009 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anybody

trading Amare for Biedrins is insane. Kerr would be laughed out of the league. You have an offensive machine that could average 30 ppg in an offense that featured him, rebounds at an average rate, and puts opposing players in foul trouble. On the other hand, Biedrins is worse than Shaq as a foul shooter, has no game beyond 3 feet from the basket, and allows opponents to double team the W’s frontcourt scorer.

Stop it anyway! Geez.

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on Oct 26, 2009 5:14 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

trading Amare for Biedrins is insane. Kerr would be laughed out of the league

of he will be laughed out. I said package Biedrins with other talent from GoldenState plus 1st round draft pick. With regards to his free throw shooting percentages, he’s only 23 w/c means a lot of time for assistant coaches to help him for that. Amare won’t commit to defense and by the time we sign him to the contract he wants, he will be virtually untradeable. Who the hell wants a guy that with all the praise he gets for his athleticism cannot even manage to average at least 10 rbs a game. Another option is that he’ll play-out this upcoming season (assuming he won’t take his player option) and we lose him at the end without anything in return.

by Spit_Fire on Oct 27, 2009 4:00 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only package

with GS that makess ense includes Randolph AND a #1. Kerr lready tried that. What do you think all og the hullabaloo was last draft? Let it go. GS is a dry well.

I’ll say it again until you refute it. Amare is a proven scorer who nobody has ever stopped. No big man in the league shoots outside and at the foul line like him. No one puts more pressure on the opposing front line in terms of foul problems. Howard comes close, but he can’t make his foul shots. Yes he needs to commit to defense, but he has never had a coach to teach him that. If Popovich were coaching him, he’d be a defensive monster. Can you imagine him and Duncan in the same frontcourt? You may see it next year.

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on Oct 27, 2009 6:10 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amare and Duncan both on Spurs next year?

How the hell would that happen? Unless Amare wants to opt out in order to sign for the veteran minimum, I don’t see any scenario in which that possibly happens. The Spurs won’t have cap space for a long time.

"I’m tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok." ~Shaq

by Max_in_Missouri on Oct 28, 2009 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Major off-season moves for Suns

The Sun’s sole major transaction of this past summer was trading Shaq for a ham sandwich and a few bucks. Love him or hate him (and BS about unquantifiable “chemistry” aside), he was the only person on the team last year that cared about defense and damn near the only one that cared about rebounding. Pretty much everyone on this blog hates on/blames Shaq for everything short of the Bay of Pigs incident, so they obviously weren’t about him or what he’s about on the court.

And now I see all these comments about the Suns needing “defense and rebounding” this season…..gee, ya think? Worse yet, did the team actually believe that it had those 2 covetted qualities in a player like Lopez? They couldn’t possibly have thought so… Lou is the man, but I think his energy is best off the bench and he’s too small to matchup with the big boys like Shaq, Howard, Bynum etc

Sadly, the Suns are all about Sarver’s wallet and not their fans’ hearts at this point. It’s going to be a long season, boys and girls.

"I’m tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok." ~Shaq

by Max_in_Missouri on Oct 27, 2009 3:10 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

You never said

who your team is.

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on Oct 27, 2009 6:11 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where did I refer to "my team" in my post?

"I’m tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok." ~Shaq

by Max_in_Missouri on Oct 28, 2009 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you're just a troll

Who likes to bag on other people’s teams, right?

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on Oct 29, 2009 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

I didn’t mind having the Shaq. He’s too expensive and on his last legs but he was something. As you say, it’ll be a long season.

by eagleheart on Oct 27, 2009 6:11 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is this your farewell speech?

They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...

by Eutychus on Oct 27, 2009 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Psh

You wish

"I’m tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok." ~Shaq

by Max_in_Missouri on Oct 28, 2009 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That ham sandwich and a few bucks...

…got a great center to a contender and the Suns some much-needed cap relief. If they don’t make that trade, then they’re grossly over-spending (as opposed to just overspending like they are now) on a non-playoff team and Shaq might not return to the playoffs for the SECOND year in a row. You can love Shaq all you want, but his presence was not going to make the Suns a contender and maybe not even a playoff team.

I think in most circles, that’s referred to as a “win-win.”

by Mike Lisboa on Oct 27, 2009 7:45 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree about the win-win trade comment

Since the Suns are in cost-cutting mode and the Cavs are in win-at-any-cost mode, the trade did make sense for both teams and all players involved.

However, my point was that now I’m seeing a lot of comments on this blog that the Suns need defense and rebounding. Why are these comments just recently coming up? It’s not like the team had those things when Lopez was not injured. I’m just wondering why these concerns weren’t voiced earlier. It seems almost as if the Suns’ brass thought the newly rediscovered “chemistry” from getting rid of Evil Shaq would make up for any other glaring holes in the team (such as defense and rebounding).

Even when Lopez was healthy, the Suns didn’t have defense and rebounding. Why didn’t they at least attempt to add someone over the offseason who possessed these abilities? (and don’t even try to tell me they have done that with Collins) Other than far fetched Tyson Chandler trade chatter, I don’t remember hearing anything about the Suns trying to solidify their big man situation over this past off-season

"I’m tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok." ~Shaq

by Max_in_Missouri on Oct 28, 2009 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Defense and Rebounding

Shaq played hard here and did his thing but he did not make the Suns better defensively. They were worse last year than in previous years. The rebounding did indeed improve.

I agree they need more bigs but keeping Shaq wasn’t the answer to that (and btw – we have no idea what kind of impact Robin will have. He didn’t play in one preseason game)

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by Phoenix Stan on Oct 28, 2009 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

Not going anywhere. Suns fan 20+ yrs so far.

by eagleheart on Oct 27, 2009 1:24 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

My reply was to Max’s comment

They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...

by Eutychus on Oct 27, 2009 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs


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