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SUNS AWARDED JARRON COLLINS

[Note by Phoenix Stan, 10/26/09 4:41 PM MST ]

I added a poll....chime in. I don't know what else you ungrateful maggots fans would have the Suns do. They are already over the luxury tax so they can't afford anyone really good and they really can't and don't want to make any trades.

The options were Collins, some other guy with either no experience or bad numbers or save the money and do nothing.

They needed a big man to pick up minutes behind Frye and bang a little. Why not Collins? Good guy. Smart player. Good defender. Big. Cheap.

What else are you expecting?

[Note by Phoenix Stan, 10/26/09 4:56 PM MST ]

Of course, this also means that the Suns don't think Clark is ready to play the PF position in the NBA. Shocking, since the kid played the perimeter at college so to expect him to come in and battle in the paint as a rookie is obviously a stretch.

[Note by Phoenix Stan, 10/26/09 5:13 PM MST ]

Here's what Gentry said about Jarron Collins on Sunday after practice:

"He's been a guy who's lasted in the league and done a good job. He's a big guy."

I asked Gentry if it matter that Collins had played 8 years in Utah for Jerry Sloan. Gentry said it didn't matter where he played.

 

Press Release after the jump...

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PHOENIX – The Phoenix Suns today announced that the club has been awarded the rights to center Jarron Collins. Collins, who spent the preseason with the Portland Trail Blazers, became available after being waived October 22, 2009.


The 6-11, 249-pound Collins is an eight-year NBA veteran who has spent every career regular season with the Utah Jazz. The 30-year-old owns career averages of 4.3 points and 3.1 rebounds in 16.9 minutes in 480 games (206 starts). Collins, who has averaged 8.8 rebounds per 48 minutes over the course of his NBA career, is a durable post player who has appeared in 70 or more games in five of his eight NBA seasons.


Collins was a four-year performer at Stanford where he helped lead the Cardinal to the 1998 Final Four. He is one of 10 players in Stanford history with 1,000 points and 700 rebounds.


Jarron is the younger twin brother of Hawks center Jason Collins. He joins teammates Robin Lopez (New Jersey’s Brook) and Taylor Griffin (L.A. Clippers’ Blake) as Suns players with brothers in the NBA.  Phoenix now has a member of three of the NBA’s five active brother pairings.


The Suns tip-off the club’s 42nd NBA season this Wednesday, Oct. 28, visiting the L.A. Clippers at 7: 30 p.m. on My45.Phoenix returns home to open the home portion of the 2009-10 slate on Friday, Oct. 30, hosting the Golden State Warriors at 7 p.m. at US Airways Center on FOX Sports Arizona.  All games can be heard on Sports 620 KTAR.

Poll
Sensing a lot of unhappiness with the Collins pick-up. I ask you what else would you have the Suns do to fill in for Robin until he recovers?
Nothing. Suns are better off w/o Collins no matter what
31 votes
Collins was the best option out there. It's something
189 votes
Like to see some other big like maybe Sims, Siler or Earl Barron
38 votes
Make a trade to get a better big (if you pick this, explain in comments)
25 votes

283 votes | Poll has closed

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Woo!

Can’t rebound, doesn’t play good defense….but hooray?

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Oct 26, 2009 4:50 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Personal edit...

If I were writing it:

Jarron is the younger twin brother of Hawks center Jason Collins…Phoenix now has a member of three of the NBA’s five active brother pairings.

would become:

Jarron is the younger twin brother of Hawks center Jason Collins…Phoenix now has [the lesser] member of three of the NBA’s five active brother pairings.

by watdogg10 on Oct 26, 2009 4:59 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

big whoop.

This will erase forever the ignominy of losing the coin flip for Lew Alcindor. I feel much better now. I am no longer ashamed to be a Suns fan.

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on Oct 26, 2009 4:59 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Kind of like

winning a raffle at the county fair and getting Aunt Mildred’s three bean casserole.

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on Oct 26, 2009 5:01 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Did you see the list of current F/A centers? Not exactly good. Trust me, this guy was the best of the bunch.

Listen, he gives us six fouls and a big body down below. If we’re lucky some basketballs will stick to his hands from time to time. He may never play either. Or just enough so we can make fun of him.

by Wil Cantrell on Oct 26, 2009 6:15 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

True story

Go read a book!

by N8lol on Oct 27, 2009 8:28 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don’t bag Aunt Mildred’s three bean casserole, it’s goooood.

by Chucko on Oct 26, 2009 7:10 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahahahaha

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on Oct 27, 2009 6:57 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Someone get...

Kareem Rush and Stephen Graham on the phone…we’ve got jobs for them. Drive for five!

http://seasonsofdiscontent.com/

by scotthoward42 on Oct 26, 2009 5:05 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Stephen Graham?

I think it’s Marc Gasol the other lesser brother.

by troglodytes on Oct 27, 2009 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think I could care any less about this news. This is not a move we should be making.

Here are the moves, in no particular order, that we should make:

Trade J-Rich
Trade Amare
Rename the ball club ‘Steve Nash’s Suns’

by keify34 on Oct 26, 2009 5:12 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know what else you ungrateful maggots fans would have the Suns do.

Straight up rec for rudeness. If you ask me, we faithful scumbags could use a little more of that around here.

by Wil Cantrell on Oct 26, 2009 6:03 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK, let’s trade J-Rich. And who will play the role of SG? Don’t say LB, we’ve had enough of that nonsense around here.

OK, let’s trade Amare. Never mind he just came off eye surgery that required him to lie face down 20 something hours a day and nearly blinded him in one eye. Let’s also nevermind that he had microfracture surgery. I bet there’s an excellent trade market out there for him/SARC.

“Steve Nash’s Suns?” HM, that may not be small enough to fit on a jersey. How about SNS?

by Wil Cantrell on Oct 26, 2009 6:07 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

uhh..

remind me again why having LB play SG is nonsense.

by brian13 on Oct 26, 2009 7:52 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

where is that crazy guy, anyway?

Did we run him off? Haven’t seen him in a while.

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on Oct 27, 2009 7:00 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I meant to say starting SG.

by Wil Cantrell on Oct 27, 2009 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I got that

I don’t think he should start on this team right now.. but I do think that if we were to trade Richardson.. Barbosa could step in and we wouldn’t lose too much.

by brian13 on Oct 27, 2009 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I've been saying

Trade Amare and trade Nash for two freakin’ years now, but it’s too late for all of that. I’m throwing my emotions in and am gonna ride this wave. I trusted Nash a few years ago and I’m gonna trust him again. If he burns me like he did last year and gives up because he’s not getting his way, it’ll be on my head for not jumping ship to Cleveland with my best buddy SHAQ!

I pray that’s the last time I mention a trade on this blog at any time this season. Let’s get Collins and roll with the run and gun!

GO SUNS!

Fanaticism is not logical

by SunDolphin on Oct 26, 2009 7:02 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Personally I think the Suns want Nash for a few reasons.

First off, this team doesn’t have many retired numbers. They want to add to the tradition of the franchise and the Ring of Honor. When Nash goes to the Hall, they want him in a Suns uniform. At this point it’s as much PR and Suns Franchise Tradition as it is what he does on the court. Secondly, they really haven’t had anyone to replace him. At his salary, he was kind of a bargain for what he brought to this franchise. Dragic wasn’t ready, Barbosa wasn’t a point, Marcus Banks was a joke. Maybe they could have traded him and gotten a high draft pick in return. Then they could have gone out and picked up someone like Bibby or something. But imagine the fan backlash. Consider the known quantity in Nash and the unknown in another player. Plus, Nash is a good guy. He doesn’t get in trouble with the law (which Phoenicians don’t like), and he always tried hard (which Phoenicians love and respect). The guy was an underdog and he plays(ed) like a champ. You want that guy on your team, even if he has some deficiencies.

Amare is a tough one because he has (had) the potential to be a huge, huge star. The injuries are scary, but Amare recovered from them. Still the trade market for him isn’t so hot because no one knows how he’ll come back and he’s in a walk year, expecting max money. Two years ago would have been even worse since he had the microfracture surgery, or he was just coming back (depending on if you really mean two years). Again, no trade market for him. We tried like the dickens to dump him this offseason, and I am very sure that we had a deal with the GSW. I’m fairly sure that was the best deal out there.

I guess my point is your sentiment may be legit, but there are reasons why all these things happen. It’s not to say that Kerr and Co. didn’t think along your lines, but it does seem that they were thinking about the franchise and that they didn’t have a whole lot of good options to choose from.

by Wil Cantrell on Oct 26, 2009 7:34 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your points are legit.

I agree whole heartedly. I’m discouraged by Nash’s recent falings, but I’m not a complete “what have you done for me lately” person. I remember what he did for us and that’s why I’m really really really hoping he can some how do it again.

I have a lot of hope riding on this season, but the expecation are so low that I know I won’t be upset if we fail, while I’ll still be prepared if things go great. Anything can happen this year. I LOVE that. Not knowing what to think.

I’d like to see Nash go into the Hall as a Sun. We don’t have a lot to hang our hats on, even less since I’ve been conscious of this team, and if Nash can come out this year and just put on a great swan song and cement his legacy and go out leaving a good taste in our mouths, we can’t lose even if we still don’t win anything but regular season accolades.

Let’s just have a fun season.

Fanaticism is not logical

by SunDolphin on Oct 26, 2009 8:02 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you

We could be the Clippers. or Wizards. or have to deal with Cuban’s mouth. or the Grizz, Twolves, Warriors, Bobcats, 76ers, kings, or any other crap team out there. But we have the Suns, who have the 4th best active cumulative record. They have given us multiple playoff runs, s handful of near muisses (76, 78, 93, 94, 95, 05, 06, 07,08). Sure, there’s been heartbreak.

So what if we have to deal with a few trolls who bag on the team (no names, but the Show me state comes to mind). The fact is, nobody outside of Boston, LA, SA, and maybe Detroit and Chicago can say anything really. So we have enjoyed a better product than 27 out of 32 cities. Let’s keep enjoying it. Maybe once the great point guard, (KJ) the excellent power forward (Amare), the complementary center (West or Alvan Adams), the unstoppable SG (Davis) and the high flying SF (the Hawk) will come together at the same time with a Silas or Curtis Perry, a Barbosa, or Dick Van coming off the bench, along with an excellent teaching coach (Daly or Popovich).

And then we can enjoy the season for the ages.

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on Oct 27, 2009 7:28 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

Go read a book!

by N8lol on Oct 27, 2009 8:32 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trade JRICH for Troy Murphy

It’s a bit early, but if the rebounds do turn out to hurt ‘em, this could work (even with Troy’s $11 million for the next two years, it works on the trade machine). Indiana lost 26 ppg with the loss of Daniels and Jack. They are very thin at the 2 with Jones (an awful 3 point shooter), and have no real offensive threat asside from Granger. Murphy is one of the league leaders in rebounds and can shoot the three. Moving Frye to the bench would give it some added offense (especially if LB starts). If the Pacers are willing to trade big for small, we should pull the trigger.

There's magic out there. Telepathy. Power. Precision. Speed. But don't invest your emotional entirety or be swallowed up by addiction. After all, it's just a game.

by Permapaulur on Oct 26, 2009 10:21 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

i actually really like brandon rush.

and he seems primed to have a breakout season…he actually started putting it together toward the end of last season. i think indy wants to give the young gun a legitimate shot.

i would try to pry hibbert from them, but i doubt they part with him, especially for someone like richardson.

by iamtrevorpaxton on Oct 27, 2009 1:06 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Murphy would definitely help us in terms of rebounding. Based on the preseason, if Frye shots aren’t going in a game he would be worthless at least in Murphy is contributing to other factor of the game.

by Spit_Fire on Oct 27, 2009 1:34 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I agree these moves need to be made, I’d also add trading Grant Hill to the list.

Filling the shooting guard position is not an impossible task by any stretch of the imagination. There are a ton of 6 ft 6+ guys without jobs this summer with shoot-first mentalities. Not exactly as hard a role to fill as center or PG.

by eagleheart on Oct 27, 2009 1:16 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another piece of random info

I interview Bill Cartwright today for a piece I am working on about rebounding. I didn’t know this but he has a very hoarse voice which according to the all-knowing wikipedia:

As a result of a damaged larynx, he now has a very hoarse voice. Cartwright claims to know who did it, but he has declined to say who is responsible.

He’s a funny guy. Gave me a bit of crap in a good natured-way. Hard to hear him b/c of that voice however.

Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @phoenixstan

by Seth Pollack on Oct 26, 2009 8:29 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

huh weird..

I ran into him at hotel in palm springs and he said hi..I didn’t even notice..

by Fritzy on Oct 26, 2009 10:06 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because Bill Cartwright's career 4.5 rpg is so convincing?

Jarron Collins gets 11.2% of available rebounds compared to Cartwright’s 12.8%…. Lou is over 15%….

Not sure what you’ll get from Coach Cartwright regarding rebounding.

Wondering what to drink to during suns games...

by ZonaFlash on Oct 26, 2009 10:10 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Frye: 13.6%

Wondering what to drink to during suns games...

by ZonaFlash on Oct 26, 2009 10:11 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's surprising

which site did you find this on? i’m interested to see what someone like rodman posted. 19%??

by Suns' Sensei on Oct 27, 2009 2:04 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

basketball-reference.com : Rodman: 23.4% career

Wondering what to drink to during suns games...

by ZonaFlash on Oct 27, 2009 7:08 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

If someone elbowed me in the throat that resulted in permanent damage, I’d have my revenge by cutting both of that person’s thumb. Lets see how he goes in his everyday life without any thumbs.

That damage in the larynx would stop me from singing in karaoke sessions…

by Spit_Fire on Oct 27, 2009 1:53 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

My money is on Charles Oakley

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on Oct 27, 2009 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm no GM, but I would've just stood pat.

I try not to be a hater, but this particular set of twins boasts both members among the very worst players in the entire league. On one hand, the Suns (I guess) lose nothing by signing this stiff. I’m not looking for them to make a trade to try to fill the Lopez void. I read somewhere today—if the season plans are in shambles because Lopez is going to miss the first month, the season plans were already in shambles. On the other hand, I really think this guy adds ZERO to the team, and we’ve got bench players who can probably produce what he will. Why not just go with them? More minutes for them = more development. Collins is not going to be the difference maker against any team the Suns were looking at in the next month and worried about size.

by SoCalSun on Oct 26, 2009 8:48 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

this is unacceptable

i expect nothing less than kevin garnett

by IrrationalAgent on Oct 26, 2009 8:59 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I'll take him

why not?

"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness

by Turambar on Oct 26, 2009 10:01 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

We may be ungrateful maggots

But I wouldn’t say that we’re wrong. Collins isn’t a “good” defender; he’s an average one at best. Couple that with his age and poor rebounding skills I think that it’s okay to be very underwhelmed.

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Oct 27, 2009 12:14 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

sure...if you look

at it in isolation

My point is that a) he was the best option out there and b) the Suns spent the money even if they won’t have a “big” impact

It’s fair to look backwards and question the T Griff signing or even further back and talk about trades that could have happened to bring in more front court depth. Reality is there just weren’t a ton of guys out there.

I really like Ryan Hollins but he’s in Minnesota making $2m per year and he’s not exactly Mark Blount who is making $8m

There aren’t a lot of good options out there. I applaud them doing something and I think Jarron won’t hurt the team and you never know what he might give you in 10 or 15 minutes. He’s smart. Experienced. And a real pro.

Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @phoenixstan

by Seth Pollack on Oct 27, 2009 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

A question...

Why didn’t we get Ryan Hollins from Dallas? I’m pretty sure if he would pick which team to go, he’d pick Phoenix over Minnesota..

by Spit_Fire on Oct 27, 2009 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was a restricted free agent

The T-wolves offered him 3-year, $7M contract which the Mavs declined to match

Clearly, the Suns didn’t want to pay anything like $7m for him

Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @phoenixstan

by Seth Pollack on Oct 27, 2009 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sad

Sad we couldn’t get him, he looked good in last yrs playoffs to me in limited action. 3 yrs for 7 million isn’t bad for a promising center considering we’re paying Jrich 13 million for one year.

by eagleheart on Oct 28, 2009 12:46 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Just finished writing about Steve Kerr, The Phoenix Suns and the upcoming NBA Season. http://dunkshots.blogspot.com

by REAIV on Oct 28, 2009 12:07 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

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