Preview: Suns vs Golden State Dysfunctionals
by Seth Pollack on Oct 30, 2009 5:36 PM MDT
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[Note by Phoenix Stan, 10/30/09 4:32 PM MST ]
Quick reminder that Jason Richardson is serving the second day of his 2 game suspension.
Coach Gentry said LB would start. Probably.
[Preview by BSotS Reader Suns Fan For Life , 10/30/09 3:08 PM MST ]
Here is a chart for my preview.
Position Offense Defense Intangibles
PG Nash Nash Nash (experience, shooting, IQ)
SG Barbosa Ellis Barbs (experice)
SF Jackson Hill Hill (iq, Jackson has one foot out the door)
PF Amare Turiaf Turiaf (Amare 60-80% Turiaf’s toughness shines)
C Frye Biedrins Biedrins (tough call, jury still out on Frye)
6 Maggette Dudley Dudley (toughness and hustle, Maggette ?showup)
7 Watson Dragic Watson (known commodity)
8 Randoph Amundson Amundson (see Dudley)
9 Morrow Morrow Morrow (huge upside, Clarke 1 game)
10 Moore Collins Moore (just a better player)
I think I want to try this for every game. You guys let me know if you like this or not. I think there is already a tendency showing up. These first two games we have not neccessarily had the edh=ge in ovrerall talent but in intangibles. This should be our edge agianst many of the teams we “should” beat. This is exactly what won us the first game. It should be what wins us tonight. Although I think you could argue that talent level is fairly even. Just look at the fg% from last year. We were plus 5 in regular and adjusted percentage over the warriors last year.
Alot of you may not agree with my assessment of Amare, but we can all agree he is not himself. He could erupt, but I think that is still a few weeks away. Turiaf is a know commodity and helps in several categories, especially with his solid defense and energy against Amare’s tentativeness.
I think we are still discovery or rediscovering our identity this year. I think we should make a few steps tonight. We saw more of our potential on defense lawst night. Tonight will be a night to really let the horses run. I hope our young guys can get some good time agian. I would love to see Clarke in transition. There is no better team to get out an run with then the Warriors. SHould be exciting.
It actaully looks like they may have more depth on their team. NOt in talent but in number of players. If our second team defense does anything like it did the other night this is a non issue, and may even be our advantage.
Key matchups.
Amare-Turiaf: Can Amare be productive tonight against a solid Turiaf
Maggette-Dudley: Does Dudley’s defense shut down the sometimes explosive Maggette
Morrow-Clarke: this may not happen, but won’t it be fun to match the defense of clarke agianst the offense of Morrow. Potential vs. Potential.
I think we win this game. We are just more solid. Should be fun to watch our defense against a very different team than the other night. I don’t think it will be as close. 116-106 Suns.
[Preview by BSotS Reader Eutychus , 10/30/09 12:30 PM MST ]
This is probably the most unpredictable and craziest match up in the NBA (in my humble biased opinion) – like SunDolphin, I think this could go either way on any given night… They fight nitrous with nitrous – so let’s watch it BURN!
It stinks JRich is out, I could see him throwing down his first 360 of the season in this game.
Here’s my couch-coaching for the suns:
Play like you did on Wednesday… but don’t let them shoot 99% from the field (with the young guys they have I doubt they will)
WATCH YOUR SHOOTERS. This team has a lot of good (streaky) shooters with Curry – AR – Maggette spaghetti – Ellis – Morrow -Jackson – who on any given night can drop 30…
Run. You need more than 2 fast break points. The best thing to do I think is get these guys running with us (which shouldn’t be hard), even though they are young and fast and can get back with solid transition defense, when they run too much their inexperience or selfishness shines and they turnover the ball like crazy.
Make them angry – (Lou – Duds -Clark – Dragic this is on you!) When we can get under these Warrior’s skin, they play out of character, commit stupid fouls, and get funny techs… so let’s get em’ riled up with pesky D!
MAKE THE CROWD GO WILD! Give em’ a show – this is your debut as the run&gun Suns 2.0… give the flakes a reason to pick up their tickets again!
Can’t wait for the game thread! See you there
[Preview by Phoenix Stan, 10/30/09 11:17 AM MST ]
As always when the Suns meet the Warriors the over/under for the total points goes way up. In this case it's listed at ~232. By comparison, the next highest point total predicted for tonight's games is 213 (Miami vs Indiana) with most games around the 200 mark.
No surprise when you have two teams that are small, fast and filled with shooters and scorers. These are also two of the worst rebounding teams with the "bigs" on the floor being Biedrens, Randolph, Frye and Stoudemire. Not exactly a forest of beef in the paint.
The best news is that Amare has always played well against the Warriors and he needs a night like this to get his game on track. It might be too soon to expect him to drop 35 points but then again....It is the Warriors.
The most interesting player in Golden State is young Anthony Randolph. He's a kid with amazing talent but he's still very young and he's not a good team player. He played Amare well in preseason and now that he's going to start and get big minutes (allegedly) we should have some fun watching AR tonight.
The Warriors back court is a match-up nightmare for the Suns with Ellis, Morrow and now Curry. Without JRich to help, it's going to big a big test for not only Barbosa and Dragic but for the Suns wings and bigs who are going to have to be sharp on the help rotations.
The one player I am not concerned about is Stephen Jackson. The rumors are swirling that he's about to be traded so I do see him having a good game. He's likely got one foot out the door already. Besides, with Hill and Dudley the Suns match up well with him. He's also exactly the kind of guy that Clark could do well on.
Home openers are always fun. I am looking forward the game tonight and am curious to see the crowd. The Suns have had to push hard to sell tickets and they are giving away a ton of free one's to help fill the building. The days of automatic sell outs are over.
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I really like how that went for the last game. If anyone wants to drop a preview in the comments (or email it to me) I will add it above.
Game thread will open at 630pm AZ time
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by Seth Pollack on Oct 30, 2009 12:19 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I work and will miss the first hour, but you know how NBA start times are.
Never when they say they are. And like the start time, I have a feeling tonight ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN. Be prepared for some crazy stuff!
I think the Suns could come out and blow the Warriors off the Earth. I also can see a scenerio where the Warriors blow US off the Earth. I can see both teams scoring really extravegant amounts of points (143-139), and something in the back of my mind says not to be too surprised with a 105-104 game.
I’m hoping for a Suns victory. 198-65, but I won’t hope too hard. Don’t want to get let down for this one. I’m still in “testing the water” stance with one toe dipped in. We’re the Suns, I’m hoping for my skin to get boiled off. It’s the cold I’m scared of. My confidence is going to inch up with a win, and depending on how well of a win, I will relax just a little more. Don’t ask what a loss tonight will do to my pysche. Maybe nothing. All is to be expected but only one road can be traveled (at one time).
Fanaticism is not logical
by SunDolphin on Oct 30, 2009 12:53 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
NBA league pass
is free til Nov. 3rd
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
by Eutychus on Oct 30, 2009 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still thinking about buying that.
Fanaticism is not logical
by SunDolphin on Oct 30, 2009 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get it
I got it and this is the first time I am able to see more than 6-8 games since I moved from Phoenix in 91. The games start late here in Baltimore, but I can alwasy DVR. Gotta love technology.
by Suns Fan For Life on Oct 30, 2009 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
iam curious
does ne1 know who jackson might be traded to and for who? i havent heard nething about that
???fml???
by Beatnik88 on Oct 30, 2009 1:21 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I heard Cleveland was interrested...
which would provide the outside shooting (though streaky) that they are lacking right now… especially with Delonte going off the deep end
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
by Eutychus on Oct 30, 2009 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
But the Warriors want Big Z in return..
Unless Shaq steps in a time machine, I don’t feel that one is going to happen…
SwishAppeal.com, women's basketball...covered SBN-style... twitter: @qmccall3
by Q McCall on Oct 30, 2009 5:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just heard Jalen Rose
Say he thinks one of Cleveland’s bigs is on the move… and it ain’t the Big TOuches
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
by Eutychus on Oct 30, 2009 6:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
just a great opportunity to start 2-0
lets not blow it
by IrrationalAgent on Oct 30, 2009 1:23 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
cavs make sense
they are pretty desperate rite now
???fml???
by Beatnik88 on Oct 30, 2009 1:25 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Suns v. Warriors.. not much to break down
This is probably the most unpredictable and craziest match up in the NBA (in my humble biased opinion) – like SunDolphin, I think this could go either way on any given night… They fight nitrous with nitrous – so let’s watch it BURN!
It stinks JRich is out, I could see him throwing down his first 360 of the season in this game.
Here’s my couch-coaching for the suns:
Play like you did on Wednesday… but don’t let them shoot 99% from the field (with the young guys they have I doubt they will)
WATCH YOUR SHOOTERS. This team has a lot of good (streaky) shooters with Curry – AR – Maggette spaghetti – Ellis – Morrow -Jackson – who on any given night can drop 30…
Run. You need more than 2 fast break points. The best thing to do I think is get these guys running with us (which shouldn’t be hard), even though they are young and fast and can get back with solid transition defense, when they run too much their inexperience or selfishness shines and they turnover the ball like crazy.
Make them angry – (Lou – Duds -Clark – Dragic this is on you!) When we can get under these Warrior’s skin, they play out of character, commit stupid fouls, and get funny techs… so let’s get em’ riled up with pesky D!
MAKE THE CROWD GO WILD! Give em’ a show – this is your debut as the run&gun Suns 2.0… give the flakes a reason to pick up their tickets again!
Can’t wait for the game thread! See you there
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
by Eutychus on Oct 30, 2009 1:30 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
99% was right.
It wasn’t like we weren’t guarding them. It seemed to not matter. LA would make shots with guys wrapping them up like aluminum foil. Will luck break our way this night?
I agree on the fast break points, too. It doesn’t matter what we do on defense against THIS team if we can’t get our own fast breaks and be clicking on all offensive cylinders.
Be seeing you tonight, Eut.
Fanaticism is not logical
by SunDolphin on Oct 30, 2009 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where are our dubs trolls?!
Wondering what to drink to during suns games...
by ZonaFlash on Oct 30, 2009 1:59 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
watching Bad News Bears again
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on Oct 30, 2009 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’m sure at least a few of the more “vocal” of my fellow warriors fans will be over come game time.
enjoy the shootout, guys. i really look forward to the amare/randolph matchup. from a warriors perspective, it’ll be interesting to see how randolph defends an offensive force like amare (even if he isn’t 100%) and if he can return the favor on the other end of the court. it’s not as though amare plays any D and randolph has all the tools to light him up. it should be a lot of fun. good luck to you guys, not tonight, but for the rest of the year.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Oct 30, 2009 4:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good luck to you as well! I’ll always root for fellow gunners!
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
by Eutychus on Oct 30, 2009 6:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I told Stan I would troll..
but it’s really hard to troll for the Warriors.
I just want to see progress game to game…. trolling just seems inappropriate for now ;)
SwishAppeal.com, women's basketball...covered SBN-style... twitter: @qmccall3
by Q McCall on Oct 30, 2009 5:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Game Preview. Heat of the Suns burn the Warriors.
Here is a chart for my preview.
Position Offense Defense Intangibles
PG Nash Nash Nash (experience, shooting, IQ)
SG Barbosa Ellis Barbs (experice)
SF Jackson Hill Hill (iq, Jackson has one foot out the door)
PF Amare Turiaf Turiaf (Amare 60-80% Turiaf’s toughness shines)
C Frye Biedrins Biedrins (tough call, jury still out on Frye)
6 Maggette Dudley Dudley (toughness and hustle, Maggette ?showup)
7 Watson Dragic Watson (known commodity)
8 Randoph Amundson Amundson (see Dudley)
9 Morrow Morrow Morrow (huge upside, Clarke 1 game)
10 Moore Collins Moore (just a better player)
I think I want to try this for every game. You guys let me know if you like this or not. I think there is already a tendency showing up. These first two games we have not neccessarily had the edh=ge in ovrerall talent but in intangibles. This should be our edge agianst many of the teams we “should” beat. This is exactly what won us the first game. It should be what wins us tonight. Although I think you could argue that talent level is fairly even. Just look at the fg% from last year. We were plus 5 in regular and adjusted percentage over the warriors last year.
Alot of you may not agree with my assessment of Amare, but we can all agree he is not himself. He could erupt, but I think that is still a few weeks away. Turiaf is a know commodity and helps in several categories, especially with his solid defense and energy against Amare’s tentativeness.
I think we are still discovery or rediscovering our identity this year. I think we should make a few steps tonight. We saw more of our potential on defense lawst night. Tonight will be a night to really let the horses run. I hope our young guys can get some good time agian. I would love to see Clarke in transition. There is no better team to get out an run with then the Warriors. SHould be exciting.
It actaully looks like they may have more depth on their team. NOt in talent but in number of players. If our second team defense does anything like it did the other night this is a non issue, and may even be our advantage.
Key matchups.
Amare-Turiaf: Can Amare be productive tonight against a solid Turiaf
Maggette-Dudley: Does Dudley’s defense shut down the sometimes explosive Maggette
Morrow-Clarke: this may not happen, but won’t it be fun to match the defense of clarke agianst the offense of Morrow. Potential vs. Potential.
I think we win this game. We are just more solid. Should be fun to watch our defense against a very different team than the other night. I don’t think it will be as close. 116-106 Suns.
by Suns Fan For Life on Oct 30, 2009 4:08 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I like it!
We just need to figure out how to make your chart a little easier to read!…
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
by Eutychus on Oct 30, 2009 6:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Formatting
I have tried a few things. I typed it up yesterday in the post box. It looked different when I typed it, then it went to the present form. This one I copied and pasted from excel and it did the same thing. Somebody who is a little more BOTS savy can maybe give me another Idea.
by Suns Fan For Life on Oct 30, 2009 6:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's what it could look like
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
by Eutychus on Oct 30, 2009 7:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here are some steps I use... Someone might have an easier way
You can go to this site and learn how to save an Excel spreadsheet as an image.
Next – upload your image to a hosting site. I find ImageShack the easiest.
NExt, when posting on a board, hit the image button and past the direct url link.
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
by Eutychus on Oct 30, 2009 7:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
*haha error
It should be ‘COMMENTS’ not ‘COMEMENTS’ – was typing too fast!
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
by Eutychus on Oct 30, 2009 7:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unpredictable
I feel that GS is the one team in the NBA outside of LA, SA, Cle, Orl, and Bos that can beat any team on one night. This is why they beat Dallas a few years back. They are so helter-skelter. They can also look awful on any one night. This is why a preview like this should be taken with a grain of salt.
Don’t get me wrong, guys, great work, I applaud you. But the Nelson factor is just too great. He is without a doubt the top coach in history never to make a Finals. He looks like a big drunk. It would be foolish to underestimate him.
April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?
by Hawk42 on Oct 30, 2009 4:47 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes and No
I agree that the Warriors can beat anyone b/c they have so much talent and get catch fire like no one’s business.
I don’t agree about Nellie. I think he might have been a great coach but I think those days are done. He doesn’t seem to care very much any more
Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @phoenixstan
by Seth Pollack on Oct 30, 2009 4:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he often doesn't make very much sense...
Thankfully, it looks like Randolph will actually be allowed to play this year though.
SwishAppeal.com, women's basketball...covered SBN-style... twitter: @qmccall3
by Q McCall on Oct 30, 2009 5:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Favorite NBA moment
by far was seeing Nellie in the visitors locker room last year with a Bud Light in his hand.
It was like finding out that Santa Claus is real
Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @phoenixstan
by Seth Pollack on Oct 30, 2009 5:29 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
+1 +1 hahah
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
by Eutychus on Oct 30, 2009 6:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
ready for a fun game
we saw the Suns with a good start yesterday night and some good defensive starts, let’s see what we can do against an other run and gun team!
on another note, I’m strongly considering buying NBA league pass. Only problem is that I will get WAY less done because I will be watching the suns til late 3-4 nights a week. Oh well! If anyone here has had NBA league pass for a whole season before let me know if it’s worth it. Thanks.
by PHXgp on Oct 30, 2009 6:30 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
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