Channing Frye Deserves Memhet Okur Type Money
We interrupt today's grieving over the loss to the Lakers to bring you this random thought....
How does Channing Frye compare to Utah's shooting big man Memhet Okur and what will that mean to the Suns salary situation next season.
As always, we start with the stats...
Okur is scoring about 1.5 more points per game and grabbing 1.8 more rebounds per game in about 2 more minutes per game played. Edge Okur until you notice that Frye is a more efficient shooter from range: 43.3% vs 38.1% for Okur. So far this season, Frye is taking and hitting about twice as many three's as Okur.
The one number that really stands out is free throw percentage. There's no reason for Frye to be at 64%. If he can increase that by 10 or 12 percentage points his scoring will increase by a couple of points per game. As teams focus more on closing out on him and preventing him from getting wide open looks he's going to have to put the ball on the floor more. That's going to lead to more free throw attempts which he's going to need to hit.
On the flip side, Okur is turning the ball over at much greater rate which is certainly a big reason why his efficiency rating is only +14.86 compared to +14.20 for Frye.
Defensively, they both average .7 blocks per game and Frye has the edge in steals which isn't a surprise since he is much more mobile than Memhet. Okur's size does give him an edge as post defender but Frye's ability to guard the pick and roll and provide activity makes them about a wash on that end of the floor.
Role
Both big men play an unconventional role for their team. Centers who not only move the ball from the top of the arc but camp out and hit spot up three's. Their impact on their team's spacing is a big reason why each team is able to move the ball and get open shots.
They are typically guarded not by the other team's center but by a smaller, more mobile Power Forward. This creates a mismatch for their front court mates (Stoudemire and Boozer) who have the speed advantage over the bigger, slower Centers who are left to cover them in the paint.
Salary
Here's where it gets really interesting. Coming from his roster purgatory in Portland, Channing accepted a $2m per year deal with a player option for next season. Okur is slated to bank about $10m per year for the next three years.
While the Suns are getting a steal this season in the production per dollar category this isn't likely to last. If Frye can continue to play at or close to this level he will almost certainly opt out of his option for next year and ask for and be worth at least the mid-level exception (about $5 or $6m).
The Suns will need to start accounting for Frye's future salary now as it considers what to do with Amare Stoudemire when the trade deadline approaches.
If Amare isn't traded and doesn't opt out (a very likely scenario) the Suns will have $61m in contracts for 10 players not including Frye. That will give them about $8m to $10m to spend on Frye and Amundson who is also a free agent this summer. This should be enough to bring back this roster without having to worry about being much over the luxury tax. Not a bad position to be in given how well the this team looks so far.
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SHHHHHHHHH. No talking of money we are too close to cap as it is.
Good point though. Currently Frye has a lot of bang for the buck and continues to expand his game. I.E the big drive and finish last night, but still dont’t tell him and we can save some money.
by Suns Fan For Life on Nov 13, 2009 10:43 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
no
the Suns are actually in good shape for next season even if Frye does opt out (and he certainly will)
http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/suns.jsp
This year remember we are still paying $10m to Ben Wallace as part of the Shaq salary dump
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by Phoenix Stan on Nov 13, 2009 10:45 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
If I were Cleveland
and I can just press a button to replace Shaq by Channing Frye for the rest of the season, I totally would. Even if that means paying Frye $22M this year.
Their problem isn’t guarding the Dwight Howards. It’s that they can’t spread the floor so the Dwight Howards can so easily guard them.
Grant Hill is totally the next MJ!!
by gadogry on Nov 13, 2009 1:35 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and
In the year in which Fry attempted the most FTs (his rookie year), he shot 82%. So I guess that 66% this year will only go up.
And… if Frye turns out to be just what he is now, full mid-level would be slightly too much for him IMO. That’s almost Barbosa $. But then I also heard that in the NBA big men are obligated to be overpaid.
Another comp I can think of for Frye is Steve Novak. They have similar skill sets and It’s conceivable that he can do a lot of Frye things if he gets Frye minutes. But he’s now stuck behind Kaman/Camby/Griffin/Craig Smith/Brian Skinner on the Clippers’ bench.
Oh, and he’s making 800K this year.
Grant Hill is totally the next MJ!!
by gadogry on Nov 13, 2009 1:43 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
But Novak
can’t defend the post like Frye
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by Phoenix Stan on Nov 13, 2009 1:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Difference – Mehmet has done it for years and Frye has done it for 3 weeks.
Also, Memo is overpaid. I see Frye as a solid contributor and getting a contract similar to Barbosa’s, assuming he keeps this up.
One further note, I don’ t think Amare is back next year. I’m pretty confident that Sarver is not prepared to pay him MAX money. Can’t really blame him as there are really only 3 players in the league deserving of it: Bron, Wade, Kobe.
by bradley281 on Nov 13, 2009 2:10 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I was trying not to do down the Amare rabbit hole…plenty of time for that.
I do think that there’s a good chance the the Suns don’t extend him and yet he decides not to opt out which is exactly what Marion did in his final year. So, that could bring him back next season at $17m for the final year of his deal.
If he’s feeling that no one is going to give him max money than that’s probably the best option for him financially and if the team does well this year and everyone’s happy here….I do think he likes Phx and isn’t all that anxious to bolt. There are also only a couple of places that I think he “wants” to go. Big markets. Miami. Atlanta. Orlando. NY. Chicago…maybe LA.
But of those there’s really only Miami and Chicago that might have room for him so a lot of things have to fall into place for him to leave this summer.
In fact, I think that I’ve talked myself into believing that the most likely scenario right now is that he stays and finishes the last year of his contract w/ no extension. I should write about that…
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by Phoenix Stan on Nov 13, 2009 2:29 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
At this point
That makes the most sense. Unless he comes on mega-strong for the rest of the season. Even then, he’s unlikely to get a better deal. Depending on how the next season (or two) shakes out, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him re-sign with the Suns.
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by Mike Lisboa on Nov 13, 2009 2:56 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
If he puts up many more 2/15 nights he will definitely be exercising his option next year. As per usual, there will be plenty of talk about him at the deadline, just like last year.
by bradley281 on Nov 13, 2009 3:08 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
i think everyone knows grant hill should be making more than he is…his role is a lot more important
by kuato lives on Nov 13, 2009 3:12 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
and if he was
the same age as Frye he would be…..and did :)
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by Phoenix Stan on Nov 13, 2009 3:18 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Lots of iffs and butts
i think amare will see what Miami and Chicago will offer him but 90% of me thinks he will stay cos no body with throw him any way near that kind of max money or even $17.5 million maybe the krazy and desperate knicks when wade lebron and bosh pass on them.
If and thats a big if but if Amare decides to terminate his contract early then i think we should go after and sign D Lee to $8m for 5 years ($40M) he is a 20 and 10 guy on that knick roster imagine how he would improve with nash as his PG
Another crazy idea but what about trading all our 3 second round 2010 draft picks and cash considerations to the orlando magic for marcin gortat we get a decent big man his contract is ok and lets face it i know its early but ro-lo is always going to be a backup
Another questions is when is the next 2010 as in these big stars will sign contracts but how long 4 years or 5 years, will we be talking about how the knick want the big players for the 2015 free agency lol
Frye and Amundsun may be the stumbling block. Frye hopefully picks his option up but if he doesnt then the most we should offer him is $4million and Amundsun $2million.
Also do you think G Hill will stay or leave to win a title cos he has an option of his own ?
by phxuk: Ap on Nov 13, 2009 5:11 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I refuse to answer any more free agency question until the end of the season.
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by Mike Lisboa on Nov 13, 2009 5:22 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Mehmet Okur doesn’t deserve Mehmet Okur type money…
by Adi C on Nov 13, 2009 10:43 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
from a die hard Blazer fan
this warms my heart so much to see Channing taking off for you guys, seriously amazing talent and character guy. Here’s to hoping you hang on to him for quite some time =)
Sigh...
by eyeotiger on Nov 14, 2009 3:21 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
okur doesn't even deserve okur money!
Wondering what to drink to during suns games...
by ZonaFlash on Nov 14, 2009 3:26 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Um, someone already said that.
Couldn’t you just rec toe poor guy instead of plagiarizing him? I’m making the Steve Nash/Violet Palmer glasses face at you right now.
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by Mike Lisboa on Nov 14, 2009 11:00 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Shame on you, Zona!
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by PanamaSun on Nov 14, 2009 11:46 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs




















