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Stoudemire and Gentry Not On The Same Page About Shot Selection

Phoenix Suns Coach Alvin Gentry and Forward Amare Stoudemire have a slight disagreement over shot selection in the Suns loss to the Lakers. (Photo by Max Simbron)

There was a little difference of opinion today at practice between Coach Gentry and Amare Stoudemire over shot selection.

Talking about Amare's play against the Lakers, Coach Gentry said that Amare should have taken the outside jump shots that Bynum was giving him. Amare disagreed saying he wanted to stay aggressive and he liked the shots that he got - he just missed them. 13 out of 15 of them.

"I think what he did, he tried to take the ball right into Bynum instead of just settling for a jump shot with him being out there. But he knows that..and he thought that maybe he could get a few fouls on him," said Gentry.

Asked by the Arizona Republic's Paul Coro if Amare doesn't want to be perceived as a guy who settles for jumpers Gentry agreed saying they talked about that and he encouraged Amare to take that shot since none of those big centers are going to be able to "come up on him." Gentry said Amare understands that.

Amare see's things a little differently saying this about his shot selection against the Lakers, "I'll tell you what, I'm going to stay aggressive. I'm going to drive to the basket the same way next time but just finish them..Great shots, just didn't fall for me. If we did it all over again I'd take those same shots."

Not exactly Allen Iverson complaining about his role and then leaving the team or the mess that is the Golden State Warriors but a minor disagreement within the Suns none the less.

Coach wants Amare to take the open jump shots and Amare wants to be aggressive and go to the rim even against bigger defenders like Bynum who can give him trouble.

Call me a Pollyanna but I don't see this ending up with a leave of absence or a coaching change but it is an interesting difference of opinion.

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Other Practice Notes:

  • The Suns practice was upbeat with a lot of running
  • Coach Gentry said that the Lakers defended the Suns as well as anyone has this year and took them out of a lot of things but his team still was able to score 100 point. Gentry used that point to support his thinking that the Suns offense is just fine and that he's looking for improvement on the defensive end
  • Gentry was impressed with Andrew Bynum calling him the most improved player over the past few years and commenting on his offensive proficiency and ability to defend the paint and said the scary thing is that he's only 21 or 22. (He's 22)
  • The back to backs are tough but no one wants to use them as an excuse. Except to say they are hard. But that's not an excuse. Get it?
  • Coach also thought the Suns might have given the Lakers a little too much respect and didn't play loose. He said that wouldn't happen again
  • The Lakers and the Celtics are the only two teams with that kind of size and while the effort was there defensively their length presents a lot of match-up problems
  • The Raptors with Bosh and Bargnani are big up front but Gentry called them "Euro long" meaning they work outside of the paint
  • Gentry said the Raptors are like a mirror image of the Suns with a very similar style of play. Big men that shoot and a point guard that probes and finds the open man
  • Talking about the Suns (and Raptors) style of play, Gentry said that guys like playing this way and it gives them sense of confidence knowing they can shoot any shot in their profile and be fine. Players play relaxed.
  • The Suns are still trying to run even though the Lakers did a good job in transition preventing that. Gentry says that teams can either get back in transition or attack the offensive glass but they can't do both, "I don't think you can hurt us on the board and keep us from running."
  • Barbosa had some fluid drained from his wrist but he should be good to go on Sunday
  • The Suns coaches are still talking about match-ups against the Raptors. Both Amare and Frye can check either Bargnani or Bosh and I would guess we will see some of both
  • Amare commented on Bosh's impressive numbers this season by saying that the ball goes through him 30 times a game. Asked if he wanted to get those kinds of looks he said he's fine as long as the team is winning
  • Gentry wouldn't say that his bench was an advantage over the Raptors but he said once again how well they are playing and how important that is for the team
  • Amare reported a delay in getting his new goggles ready. He's not sure what the delay is. The new goggles won't have a prescription lens and Amare will keep wearing contacts on the court
  • He's not comfortable wearing the goggles and said they fog up and get blury. Has to clean them sometimes even during plays
  • Amare said the Lakers played great basketball but that one game does not determine anything. He said the Suns have other teams to worry about like Raptors tomorrow
  • Amare said they are taking it easy on the rookies but they do have morning Krispy Kreame duties. Amare's reported being all over the glazed ones.
  • He said the Earl Clark is developing well and that he talks to him to help keep his spirits up
  • Finally, Amare said the Suns are in a good position right now and that he wants the team to keep their spirits up and stay humble and keep working

Update on Robin Lopez

Robin isn't yet cleared to practice with the team but spent about 45 minutes working with Assistant Coach Igor Kokoskov. He worked on a variety of side pick and pops, baseline jump shots and a few post moves. Mostly it seemed to all be about getting back in shape and getting a feel for the ball and his shot.

Robin worked hard and I was impressed with his focus and intensity. He would often curse and scream a bit when he missed shots in a drill that you would typical see wings and guards work on. Lopez has only been back shooting for about a week or so and says his shot doesn't yet feel like it's back to where it was but that with more work the muscle memory will come back.

Lopez said that even if he never grows into a true offensive player on the block that he can add that outside shot to his game at some point in his career but mostly his focus is on banging in the paint, rebounding and blocking shots.

For this season Robin wants to come in and help on the glass, "Obviously, that's never been a strength of our team in the past. We've picked it up and we've been doing really well but I want to be a part of that. We can do even better I think if I get out there and I rebound the way I think I am capable of performing."

He is still several weeks away from returning to the team and hopefully will be cleared to practice in a week or two. He said that foot is doing well and that while he sometimes "feels it", it is 90 to 95 percent healed. The team is being cautious about it and want to play it safe.

Meanwhile, Robin has been working on his basketball analyst skills from the bench and had this to say about the team's play this season, "When we play really hard, when get after at it we are one of the best teams in the league. I think that might have been one of the things missing in the game against LA."

Mostly though, he's just anxious to return, "I just can't wait to get out there and play again. I hope I can add a degree of physicality to the team."

Look for Robin to return without the beard. He says that's just, "me being lazy."

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I would agree with the coach...

that Amare has to shoot first, force Bynum to come out, THEN drive him. Why play to your opponent’s advantage while loosing your own?

by paulimer on Nov 14, 2009 6:07 PM MST reply actions  

Yes, I agree

But I also think Amare had a point. He did get some good looks in the paint that just didn’t fall. However, I think hitting a few of those 15 -18 footers would open up the lane for him.

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by Mike Lisboa on Nov 14, 2009 6:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Take the shots

I always like his shooting and I think early if he’s nailing those outside shots, teams will have to defend them.. they he drives in and opens up the game…
Without it, Amare is WAYYY to easy to guard and figure out… no outside shot=clogg the paint and its GG…. That’s why players like Lebron are SO nasty… he can pop a 3 on u, or he can drive it in and get an and1

by Will Smith on Nov 14, 2009 6:26 PM MST up reply actions  

Great practice report.

Good to hear Robin’s getting back in the swing of things. Did they give any timeline for his return? And while I’m happy he’s working on his shot, I’m curious to see if he’s got himself under control on the defensive end as that is really both his Achilles’ heel and key to having a lasting career.

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by Mike Lisboa on Nov 14, 2009 6:25 PM MST reply actions  

Still talking about early Dec

Right now he’s just working in general and I think he’s under a clock in that he can only play so long. First step will be for him to be cleared to practice with the team in full contact. Then it will probably be a week or so after that. That’s my guess only.

Last thing they want to do is rush it. I believe Martell Webster had a similar injury and came back too soon and re-injured it and missed the season.

Until he’s back on the court w/ the team we won’t see his defense in action. Going against Coach Igor isn’t exactly going to test him….

From what I saw, I thought his foot speed seemed slower than normal but I ‘t think that’s to be expected given he was in the middle of a pretty grueling workout and he’s just starting to come back

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by Seth Pollack on Nov 14, 2009 6:47 PM MST up reply actions  

2 for 15

What else has to be said?

Take the freaking shot they give you! If he’s 10-15 this is a whole new ball game.

Fanaticism is not logical

by SunDolphin on Nov 14, 2009 6:32 PM MST reply actions  

i'm very excited about this team....but

I think….let me change that….I know why Amare drove in on Bynum….he wanted to prove to Bynum that he (Amare) could drive and score on him, that he (Amare) was better…well…he isn’t…and it’s going to be much worse in 1-2 years when Bynum is even better and amare is the same or worse..

I am still very pleased with this team…but we would be better off without amare…we should trade him now while we can still get something for him..

by be-the-ball on Nov 14, 2009 9:26 PM MST up reply actions  

So much for the smarter Amare..

He’s still not quite getting it.
sometimes you have to take backward steps to move forward….

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Nov 14, 2009 9:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Also, I don't really see what he's not getting.

He and his coach disagreed over jumpers versus driving the lane in one game. And if you re-watch the game, he had good looks in the paint as a result of driving that simply didn’t fall. He missed a dunk. Every NBA player has nights like this.

I totally understand what Coach Gentry is getting at. I just don’t see this as some kind of sign of Amare Fail.

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by Mike Lisboa on Nov 14, 2009 9:59 PM MST up reply actions  

What he's not getting is the need to adjust his game, depending on the opponent..

2-15 suggests that Amare is wrong, in this case. Reminds me of the definition of insanity: “repeating the same thing expecting a different outcome”

He’s not going to out-muscle Bynum, especially given that he’s not 100%, so the correct strategy is one that minimizes Bynum’s ability to respond, i.e take the jumper. If, by doing that, space opens up for him to drive, then by all means he can drive to the basket. At this point, in his evolution, Amare should be aware of the flow of the game, and what’s going to work and what’s not.

Amare reminds me of Nuke LaLoosh in Bull Durham, where Crash Davis calls for the deuce, but Nuke wants to pitch a fast ball, so that he can “announce his presence with authority”. It’s a rookie mistake, and one that I had hoped Amare would stop making by now.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Nov 14, 2009 10:53 PM MST up reply actions  

If only there were some book that amare could read...

which focused on using your enemy’s weakness against him in battle…some kind of ancient text, perhaps….

ah well, probably just a pipe dream..

by Fritzy on Nov 15, 2009 12:53 AM MST up reply actions   2 recs

narf..

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Nov 15, 2009 1:20 AM MST up reply actions  

Really?

10 games into a season that this team has started 8-2 and you want to trade Amare already? After one bad game against the defending champs? What could the Suns possibly get in return for him that would even approximate his value?

Has everyone forgotten that he was sidelined with an eye injury from February until August? If you, the average fan who does not have millions of dollars riding on his ability to play ball like he used to, doesn’t want him on your team, what GM in his right mind would?

Also, I’m willing to bet that in the next 15 games, he gets it going big time and we forget we even had this conversation. At every point in his career when he’s faced some kind of adversity, he’s not only overcome it, but improved. I don’t see any reason why this time will be any different.

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by Mike Lisboa on Nov 14, 2009 9:55 PM MST up reply actions  

i understand your points...but

your missing ours…amare is driven by being “the man”…and although this works for some…it often hurts us…My guess…just a guess….but I’d say part of the reason the joe johnson, marion, amare, nash team went in separate directions had to do with players not being happy because “the wealth” was being spread around so well…I’d guess many players want to get 30+ touches…shaq is one of those “selfish” guys….(don’t get me wrong…shaq is a “clear” hall of famer"…etc…but my point is…Amare is also one of these type of guys…

But, not to the same extent….and I am hopeful for him…I pull automatically for everyone on the suns…I get excited when I see amare cheer and scream from the bench when watching other suns players do well…so…there’s hope.

I don’t care that amare shot 2-15…that’s not what we’re talking about…we’re talking about amare ignoring the coach…we’re talking about doing whatever he wants because he can get away with it…albeit minor things…

I hope your right Mike! Also…your making the mistake about his eye…I’m pretty sure we’re complaining about a mental thing…about amare’s decision making…not his ability….you should know this…I’m pretty sure all the amare fans who are not so happy with him now and again clearly realize his ability, his potential to be a true great player…it’s his basketball iq that I’m not 100% impressed by…

It’s a pattern that many fans see…and those fans that don’t complain about amare are ignoring this pattern…granted it’s not like a “serious issue”…it isn’t…but it does give insight as to why he’s not ever going to be a superstar….if he’d followed the advice (get ready for it Mike…another mental mistake…a big one) of the eye doctor the first time and kept wearing the goggles…(almost wrote google)…..well…you know where I’m going..

Would Hill or Nash make a tv campaign or video campaign (whatever it was) that amare did last year to try and improve his chances on becoming an all star? Of course not…and that is quite simply the difference….it’s a character thing…Hill is a complete stud…the way he works…the way he’s been rebounding against bigger guys, his passion for the game…and Nash…(enough said…21 & 20 the other night!!)..where’s amare in this…it’s tough to remember how dominate offensively amare was against the spurs in the playoffs 10,000 years ago and not see that amare…mentally, he doesn’t have the crazy drive nash and hill have….

I do hope I’m wrong…wait…one of my favorites….he bought a restaurant….what does he call it…..Amare’s….seriously…f#@king copycat….now majerle’s…TV’s everywhere….that’s a great place to watch the game!!!! You might say why go to majerle’s when the u.s. airways center is right there…well…I work (when I’m in town) a block from Majerle’s…
plus…it doesn’t hurt that majerle is a stud…

ever see his traveling youtube video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4D9Z1wAwQtM

by be-the-ball on Nov 15, 2009 1:25 AM MST up reply actions  

Last years history is correct and I for one wanted him gone since last New Years because of it.
10 games into this year and this is the first hint of his old self, I am prepared to let it ride. Hope it is a momentary relapse, you don’t go from one type of attitude to another seamlessly.

by overthere on Nov 15, 2009 7:42 AM MST up reply actions  

Stir up the base!

In a move illustrating he is media savy, Stan rips a page out of the Glen Beck playbook……

by dCoye on Nov 15, 2009 9:30 AM MST up reply actions  

He'll get it going offensively for sure

But if he wants a max contract, he needs to at least be respectable defensively, and he’s never been that.

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Nov 15, 2009 9:58 AM MST up reply actions  

First post

Hi guys, I’m a long, looooong time lurker on the site, but I just had to register and comment on this particular story.
I remember earlier on the season people were worried about Amare’s physical condition and whether he would be settling too much for jump shots. It just seems that Amare can do no right in some people’s view. When I read the article, I was glad that Amare had the mindset to stay agressive, most players actually take the other view and settle too much for jump shooting. I do agree with what other people posted in that he should take what the defence gives him and force Bynum to adjust. But let’s not hold his mindset against him.

by thebraziliansir on Nov 15, 2009 6:46 AM MST up reply actions  

hey...

welcome! Be careful…it’s such a fun blog…it’s addictive…so many great fans here…nice to have another!

by be-the-ball on Nov 15, 2009 10:49 AM MST up reply actions  

pollyanna.

Crashing the [message] boards from the heart of Spurs Nation, San Antonio, Texas. GO SUNS!

by PHXgp on Nov 14, 2009 9:56 PM MST reply actions  

my wife's name is polly

it wouldn’t actually be yours would it?

by be-the-ball on Nov 15, 2009 1:26 AM MST up reply actions  

The opposite is worse

It’s better than if Amare was shooting jumpers when he should be getting to the basket.

by dCoye on Nov 14, 2009 10:03 PM MST reply actions  

But I think Gentry was talking about shot selection in relative terms in this game. Of course, in absolute terms, it’s better to take it at the rim with the possibility of shooting free throws. But putting the game into context and situation, 2-15? And with Bynum firm in the inside, it was a more logical decision to try and shoot outside especially with Amare’s proficiency; later on, this could lead into shattering Bynum’s inside presence.

by Azrael on Nov 14, 2009 10:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Agreeing in a Monday Morning kind of way he’d been better off shooting jumpers, but also saying you dont want to make a big deal out of nothing

by dCoye on Nov 14, 2009 10:46 PM MST up reply actions  

haha...seriously

the statement “shattering Bynum’s inside presence”…haha…I hate the lakers…but it’s pretty clear the guy is developing into something very special….

shattering bynum’s presence…that’s like saying your going to stop Nash from fueling the suns….which…might happen when he’s 45…ok…50 (nolan ryan action!!)

by be-the-ball on Nov 15, 2009 1:28 AM MST up reply actions  

If you compare

Amare when he came back from microfracture, hes actually a step ahead….
hopefully he’ll jump out in a couple of games

by silverddue on Nov 15, 2009 12:39 AM MST reply actions  

spurs...playoffs....amare...1,000,000 points...

oh yeah…I’m talking about before the microfracture…I just looked for video on youtube for a link for ya…but they didn’t have video back then (meaning it’s been forever since he’s played that well)

Look at an earlier post on here where we were comparing the current suns team to the 04-05 team….I saw this a lot
old amare > new amare

by be-the-ball on Nov 15, 2009 1:32 AM MST up reply actions  

silverddue...

but…I hope your right….I really do….save me ob1…your my only hope

because if amare played with the consistency and heart of dudley or lou, or nash or hill…amare would be off the charts!…and so would the suns

by be-the-ball on Nov 15, 2009 1:34 AM MST up reply actions  

I agree w/ both of them

I understand what coach is saying; Amare should take the shots he’s given. But on the other hand, it was in our best interest to go right at Bynum, to make HIM tentative as early as possible, and Amare was getting into the paint all night but he was throwing up stupid finger rolls and floaters instead of trying to finish aggressively. The one time he DID try, he missed the dunk. Amare was also so single-minded in his pursuit to get to the paint, he missed a lot of open shooters.

I’m glad Lopez is back, but I still don’t think he’s going to be much of a help. He was a mediocre rebounder in college. He’s kind of slow. He’s known for his shot-blocking, but that means he bites on every fake, and he doesn’t hold good position, so he’s not that great defensively. Either way though it’ll be nice to have his size.

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Nov 15, 2009 9:21 AM MST reply actions  

exactly...

it’s not so much what Amare was doing, but his mindset. You’d think hanging around Nash & Hill, for all these years, would have given him some idea of how to read the game, and play what’s offered to you, adjusting as it unfolds. And making the other team adjust to you.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Nov 15, 2009 12:04 PM MST up reply actions  

important to point out

I do like amare as far as a regular guy hanging out with the others…not like Hill or Nash…but he’s friendly enough and care’s about many of the right things…it’s not that I hate amare…I don’t…I don’t think most of us “Amare complainers” do hate amare…we just realize he has a low basketball iq and that is because I don’t think he has the tools to have a high basketball IQ….like Hill, Nash, Dudley…etc do….I don’t know if it’s something amare can grow into…but we’ve been waiting a long time for him to “take over” this team…if you read the blogs and articles from the end of last season…many were asking for trades of nash, hill, others and trying to put young players around amare and try to rebuild….I find it the funniest thing in the world…and the coolest…that hill and nash are doing so well and clearly the heart of this team…

I wonder if we’d won a championship or two with amare if I’d have the same attitude?
You know how winning changes everything…

by be-the-ball on Nov 15, 2009 4:02 PM MST up reply actions  

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